Question about coloring the vapor (NOT what you think!)

[Dracconus]

Okay, so we all know that coloring the liquid will do absolutely jack .... about coloring the vapor due to how it's processed.
HOWEVER, there in lies our problem...

We've been too busy looking for ways to color the liquid BEFORE the vaporizing process.
What we would need is something that would be able to "inject" the color into the vapor WHILE it's atomic structure is being composed (when it's made.)

The other option that I find semi-logical, and plausible is finding a chemical solution to doing so. The same way we can charge ions, and attach to them with other molecules, we could (Theoretically) do the same with color.
Albeit we still have the problems with making sure it's safe, but do these seem illogical to you, because while I may not be a master alchemist (except in Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim) I am a HUGE fan of all things science, and thinking that there has to be a way, but we have to break out of the "liquid box" and start focusing on the vapor alone.

Post your thoughts. I'm sure that most people will say "not possible" immediately in their heads just because there's a high level of complexity to things like this, but I'm not asking if it's improbable due to difficulty. I'm asking if it's plausible at ALL!

 

[NancyR]

I don't know if it is plausible or not, but I really don't understand the reason people want to do this, part of why we feel better vaping is the fact it is less chemicals we are forcing into our bodies, but yet doing this type of stuff will just mean more chemicals, not to mention then more people with sensitivities. There are a lot of people who have allergies to food colors and dyes.

 

[74deeds]

Why not just buy a laser pointer and leave the juice alone, isn't it about the flavor and not looks?

 

[caffeinator]

I love science too, and I mean no offense. But...

Just because we can, does not mean we should.

That is a basic fundamental of responsible science. Vapor from a PV is just that; a vapor as a result of a reaction that does not naturally produce a color.

Also, the causality of it all; smoking has yet to see a need for it. Surely it has been thought of along with candy cigarettes and Joe Camel.

E-cigs should not be the next big rave tool for freaked-out adolescent ......, IMO. We have enough obstacles.

Designer colors of vapour sounds like something a corporate entity would love to have...in Japan. And, would immediately cause banning in America as a lure to youth.

Inventing is a combination of brains and materials. The more brains you use, the less material you need.
— Charles F. Kettering

 

[Dracconus]

I agree with the fact that no one wants to be the guinea pig, and also to the Japan rave statement, and the fact that I enjoy it because there are less chemicals.
I'm just offering a method of suggestion that wouldn't involve having to modify this, counter that, blah blah blah - when working with the liquid base when you could probably simplify the process (once you figure it out) by working with the vapor directly.
I wouldn't even want to have colored vapor to be honest; and I whole heartedly agree that the MOMENT things "catch on" to the Justin Bieber crowd we as e-smokers are screwed provided by that time we haven't made enough of a financial grasp on america for them to want to keep us.
Let's face it, they've never once considered banning smoking in general just because of the fact that every single day there are hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on cigarettes alone in Texas. God only knows what the U.S. numbers look like.
Regardless, this isn't something that I brought up to stir a political, or opinionated debate. I'm just wondering if - from a scientific standpoint - would working with the molecular structure of the vapor be easier than trying to modify the entire base; and it's contents in terms of actually getting it done.

And, I am not entirely sure, but I hope that you're not calling me a "freaked-out ......" I've never attended a drug fest (rave) in my life, nor would I. I may be a big fan of smoking, drinking, science, and music; but I don't mix them all into one experience

 

[Dougiestyle]

Vapor is white, because full-spectrum (white) light is reflected in each of the microscopic vapor droplets. Nothing's going to change that. The only way to color vapor would be to blow it at a colored light.

How do you propose to change the molecular structure of water droplets as they are being exhaled from a human? I say "Myth Busted"!

 

[Dracconus]

There is always a way to do things. We could have a device in our cheek, or a "tab" that we put on our tongue that causes the reaction. I'm well aware of why water vapor is white; although I appreciate the lesson as misplaced as it were. I'm just opening minds, and possibilities, not looking for "well this is why you can't" because if we lived by that we wouldn't even have e-cigs now would we?
Or as the vapor is created before the process of inhalation we could perform the process in the atomizer/cartomizer as it's being vaporized (swear I said that.)
Hypothesis, and theorem are not myths btw. (Although I do understand your attempt.)

 

[caffeinator]

Heh, I've had lots of tabs on my tongue, so I can relate to your process...not sure that a good discussion for ECF though....check the rules mate. ;-)

 

[Dracconus]

I wasn't referring to THOSE tabs. I was referring to Breath Fresheners. Not sure what part about don't do drugs/raves you didn't get from above >.<

 

[caffeinator]

I'm just wondering if - from a scientific standpoint - would working with the molecular structure of the vapor be easier than trying to modify the entire base; and it's contents in terms of actually getting it done.

I edited my post a bit, I usually do that....my bad.

I do like what you are saying here, but in a different way. I don't want to discourage you.

Could we change the nicotine neuroreceptors to disallow the nicotine and freebase nicotine absorption that is a base cause of our addiction?

I am decent in science, but the level of stuff that is going on into WTA research and the like..that is such staggering insight into so many fields at once it is amazing. I totally want to see a SPECT of a smoker's brain VS a vaper.....

I can understand nearly all of the "words" my cat can say, and she has a lot of 'em. But, neurochemistry and psychobiology is a bit beyond me.

 

[Dracconus]

There actually have been attempts, and advances at completely reversing the process of the receptors response to nicotine; but that wouldn't really help us with anything as we'd still have the other habits that smoking creates. Lifting something to your mouth, forming that "o" that holds the smoke when doing so. Having something that feels like a cigarette both in length, and firmness/softness (filter.) The inhalation process, the "filling" of the throat, and high sensation.
The reason that ecigs are so widely respected, and used is because of the fact that they're able to effectively replicate over 90% of the habits that smoking created. The only thing that no one has done yet (and I've yet to figure out why) is use a Tygon PVC tubing to make drip tips that FEEL like filters on your lips.

Anyways, back to topic. There's got to be some sort of method in which things like this could be possible even though it would delve into a layer of science that I myself never jumped into. I just know the way that things like this work on a basic level, and know that there has to be a SOMEWHAT plausible method of attaching, or modifying the vapor as it's created, to include some form of light reduction method. Just because water is reflective doesn't mean that it particles that are converted into vapor HAVE to be. The same way we can color water we could (theoretically) color anything else we wanted to. When plastic was first created they didn't think they would be able to color IT...now look. Not only have we colored it, we've created over 50 different versions with different molecular constructs.

 

[caffeinator]

Well, I'll agree and disagree with you.

I smoked for over 25yrs, and then this year was told the building I have lived in for ovr a decade was banning smoking as of this July 1st. About a month and a half notice. Fact is, that according to law here, they didn't even have to do that.

I know how it works rather well. I've also done RYO for a long time.

"Smoking" to me, is not what it is to Joe American.

I panicked, then I remembered a buddy who had mentioned vaping....gods bless him.

I spent days, then weeks researching this ...d up thing called vaping. By the time I got here, I knew it would NOT be like smoking. So, most of your premises are for smokers who know nothing of vaping.

VAPING IS NOT, NOR SHOULD IT BE, LIKE SMOKING.

Yes, we have the draw, the thing we lift to our mouths, the throat hit, the fullness we breathe in, the nicotine and the plume of exhale. That is not smoking.

Also, Bakelite was coloured practically from the start, so I don't know where you got that assumption about plastics, as un-related as it was.

The last I checked, coloured smoke is a sign of either danger or frivolity. You seriously want that for vaping?

 

[Dracconus]

"I" don't want it, but a number of others have both on and off of these forums talked about it, so I figured that I'd open a discussion suggesting alternative methods.
In a lot of ways vaping is a method of "smoking." and I myself would like the most "cigarette-like" experience as possible to ensure that I'm able to effectively quit, and as such is my method for saying that there should be ways that seem more realistic than throwing a stupid LED at the tip and calling it a "cigarette look-alike."
My initial vaping attempts were SHEERLY thrown off in whole because of the fact that nothing felt like the filter; then I began making drip tips from Tygon, and I've gotten over that thanks to looking into ecigs, and how they're made, modded, etc.

So yes, in a lot of ways, vaping is a full on alternative to smoking for ME, while it may not be the "same" or an adequate replacement for some, it is for me. That's what I was saying with that.

I've smoked for 21 years, and quitting was something that I was never successful at because gum didn't solve the "lip on filter, throat fill, or plume of smoke dilemma. Thanks to my simple modded drip tip I've completely replaced every "habit" that smoking had me crutched on. And since the ecigarette is completely moddable I will be able to eventually 1 by 1 knock them off. I can replace my soft tygon drip tip with hard ones, and remove the 'need' for a 'soft filter' and replace nicotine with smaller and smaller doses by mixing my own liquid, replace the tobacco/menthol taste the same way, etc.
Breaking down my habits one by one is the reason I'm vaping. Not because I think that it's a cool fad.

 

[caffeinator]

Well, it's an interesting subject, and I'm glad you've come here for it.

It's late now however, and I really should get some rest. It's been nice having an adult discussion with you. I don't have one very often, so my apologies if I seemed rude or off-putting.

Dad taught me that any theory worth having is worth defending, with me being a stubborn jackass at most times. I think you've done alright.

Have a good night,

CaFF

 

[yzer]

I don't understand how the color of vapor could possibly be of benefit to an e-cigarette user. We didn't care about the color of cigarette smoke, why should vapor color matter to us?

 

[Dracconus]

@Yzer I think that the people that are requesting it are doing so due to the (mine) assumption that they want something to "match" their "cool new toy." I'm not entirely sure what the request reason is as I'm not the type of individual to be concerned with it. All I know is that I've seen a number of persons talking about doing it, but not a single one of them have bothered to take the time to realize how the vaporization process works, and figure out that changing the color of the fluid wouldn't matter due to the way "vapor" or Steam/smoke takes its "color."

I will not lie, I've thought up several "mods" to make a "technological" mod, or steampunk, etc to the carto/tank/battery/drip tip, but I myself would not want colored vapor mainly because of the fact that I LOVE being able to vape in WalMart while pushing my child through the Aisle without people looking at me TOO stupid. Once they realize I'm holding a huge piece of metal half the length of my forearm they lose all assumptions that I'm smoking a cigarette with an infant in front of me. Coloring the vapor would (in my opinion) put them under the assumption that I'm doing some new weird drug, and i just don't care for that.
Modding the tank/battery, etc is understandable, as it "hides" the "cigarette-ness" of the ecig, and makes it more of a conversation piece than a system of starting arguments, but I don't personally see vapor doing the same.
However, I am the type of person that gets intrigued, and would like for someone that knows the deep inner workings of vapor molecules, etc. to give a little input as to whether this could theoretically be possible mainly because of my own level of intrigue.
I'm the type of person that heard of non-Newtonians, and ferrofluids and went home that day making many different kinds.
matter of factly, the first toy I remember having was an active connection sound bard that would make different sounds when different wires were connected to various pins/outputs.
I'm just a big science buff; nothing more.

 

[ShogaNinja]

The only alchemy you need to know when dealing with ejuice is that the dark it is, the harder it is on your equipment. Shoot for lighter color, or even CLEAR juices like me and your equipment will last a good long time, if not longer. If you are vaping purple, green, blue, red, yellow juice you might seriously look into DIY where you can control what colors your juice ends up.

 

[Dracconus]

The only alchemy you need to know when dealing with ejuice is that the dark it is, the harder it is on your equipment. Shoot for lighter color, or even CLEAR juices like me and your equipment will last a good long time, if not longer. If you are vaping purple, green, blue, red, yellow juice you might seriously look into DIY where you can control what colors your juice ends up.

I think you misunderstood the purpose of the topic (don't worry, I'm sure you're not the only one.) We're not discussing the liquid at all, but the vapor from your mouth, and the possibility (scientifically) of changing its color.

My liquids are DIY, and are clear. I use Pure PG/VG/Nico/Menthol Extract, and mix all of it myself. I've only had a few colored flavors, but I think that they were unavoidable (cherry, and a few others) - as they were natural.

 

[Dougiestyle]

You would have to change the light refraction in order to create colored vapor. It's not a matter of changing the molecular structure of the vapor, but rather, changing ligh to accomplish your idea. It's impossible on a physical level to do what you're proposing. If you can prove physics wrong, I'll buy one, tho!