Question about eGo Batteries and Cart/Clearo Suitability

[sammisam]

Hoping someone can help me here. I've been vaping for about a month now and have acquired the following:

Batteries:
eGo-C 650Mah Starter Kit (with 2 eGo-C Upgrade 650Mah Batteries)
eGo-C Twist 1000Mah

Tanks:
eGo-C Type A Tanks

Clearomizers:
3 CE4s
2 Kanger T3s
1 Kanger MT3

Cartomizers:
5 Boge 510 LR Cartomizers
2 eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers

juice:
OMG, I just calculated that I've bought 324ml of Liquid in one month's time. I might have a uh, shopping problem.

Currently Waiting On:
5 Boge 510 SR Cartomizers

I've been searching quite extensively and trying to piece information together, to no avail.

Are any of the batteries I have suitable for the eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers? I've found the following in my searches:

Don't use dual coil cartomizers on eGo Twists.
Do use dual coil cartomizers on eGo Twists
The 650Mah is too weak for the dual coil cartomizers.

My head is twisting from the conflicting information.

And, to add into the confusion, I'm thinking of buying an Innokin iClear 16 and/or an Innokin iClear 30, both of which are dual coils. Can I use these on my eGo-C Twist 1000Mah or on my eGo-C Upgrade 650Mah batteries?

As I said, I've already done some due diligence and tried to (unsuccessfully) piece information together.

I've had good vaping experiences with the Kangers, awful experiences with the CE4s, and mediocre results with the Boge LR cartos. I'm looking for something that's going to give me good flavor, good throat hit, and plentiful vapor (aren't we all?). The Kanger T3s at 2.5 give me a bit of a burnt taste if I go above 3.6 volts on the Twist.

So, to sum it up:

1) Are any of the battieres I have suitable for the eGo Mega Dual Coil Cartomizers?
2) Can I use the Innokin iClear 16/30 on my eGo-C Twist 1000Mah?
3) Can I use the Innokin iClear 16/30 on my eGo-C Upgrade 650Mah batteries?

I apologize for the massive amount of text.

Thanks in advance!

 

[Rodnaz]

I doubt any dual coil will work on and ego-c. I tried a 1.5 ohm d/c on a 650 & 900 mah twist. Neither held a charge very long. In fact it really shortened the battery life on both units. Both were knock offs - not original Joye. Responses will be mixed but I think knowing if their original Joye or not may be a factor. A dual coil will discharge the battery faster original or not.

P Busardo gave a favorable review on a 650 twist using a dual coil & mentioned the time frame vs a single coil. A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube

 

[Exile]

Only use single coil cartomizers on Ego Twist.

I use Boge 2.0ohm single coil cartomizers on my Twist...

 

[sammisam]

I doubt any dual coil will work on and ego-c. I tried a 1.5 ohm d/c on a 650 & 900 mah twist. Neither held a charge very long. In fact it really shortened the battery life on both units. Both were knock offs - not original Joye. Responses will be mixed but I think knowing if their original Joye or not may be a factor. A dual coil will discharge the battery faster original or not.

P Busardo gave a favorable review on a 650 twist using a dual coil & mentioned the time frame vs a single coil. A PBusardo Review - eGo Twist - OvaleUSA - YouTube

Thanks for the response! All of my batteries are Joyetech and I bought them through an authorized Joyetech reseller.

Thanks for the link to the YouTube video - I'll take a quick look! He seems to really know his stuff.

 

[sammisam]

Only use single coil cartomizers on Ego Twist.

I use Boge 2.0ohm single coil cartomizers on my Twist...

I've got some Boge 2.0ohms that I have been using on my Twist. I just discovered the joy of 4.0v last night So, then is the general consensus that one shouldn't use a dual coil anything on the Twist?

So, I guess I should buy a regular eGo-C 1000mah if I want to use dual coil?

Thanks for the reply!

 

[The Ocelot]

I'm a single coil fan. Personally, I don't think the Twists have enough power to run a dual coil to get the best results.

 

[The Ocelot]

I've got some Boge 2.0ohms that I have been using on my Twist. I just discovered the joy of 4.0v last night So, then is the general consensus that one shouldn't use a dual coil anything on the Twist?

So, I guess I should buy a regular eGo-C 1000mah if I want to use dual coil?

Thanks for the reply!

No. To run a dual coil you need a device with more power. A regular eGo is rated at 3.3v (roughly, I don't trust them to be exact). "mAh" refers to how long the battery will run on a charge, not the voltage.

 

[sammisam]

I'm a single coil fan. Personally, I don't think the Twists have enough power to run a dual coil to get the best results.

I don't mind using the single coil, I just have a eGo Mega Dual Coil sitting all wrapped up in a drawer and don't want it to go to waste.

 

[sammisam]

No. To run a dual coil you need a device with more power. A regular eGo is rated at 3.3v (roughly, I don't trust them to be exact). "mAh" refers to how long the battery will run on a charge, not the voltage.

That's what I originally thought about the mAh and then I read something else that made me wonder otherwise. So, if they make eGo Dual Coil clearomizers and cartomizers, but the eGo batteries aren't strong enough to use them, what does one use them with? Help!

 

[UncleChuck]

Dual coils will work, they just won't work really well. A 1.5ohm or 1.7ohm single coil will give you far better performance with an eGo (or similar) battery.

The 1.5ohm dual coil cartos have a pair of 3ohm coils inside. As you know, a single 3 ohm coil takes a decent amount of voltage to really perform. Now you have to power TWO of those power hungry coils. Nothing eGo really has enough power to "wake up" dual coil cartos, you need high voltage/wattage vaping to do that. That's my opinion of course, but it's shared by most vapers. Rarely do I use DCs, but when I do, I generally run them around 14 watts. Very roughly double the power you'd get from an eGo battery, vv or not.

You'll also reduce your overall battery life, as well as how long you can go without charging the battery.

Back wBack in the day I'd run those eGo mega dual coil cartos on my eGos allthe time because of their high juice capacity. Then ego sized tanks became the better option because you can use any carto you want it them, and juice capacity is still high.

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[UncleChuck]

That's what I originally thought about the mAh and then I read something else that made me wonder otherwise. So, if they make eGo Dual Coil clearomizers and cartomizers, but the eGo batteries aren't strong enough to use them, what does one use them with? Help!

The capacity (mAh rating) CAN potentially influence the power of the device.

Smaller batteries generally have higher internal resistance, which means when the battery is put under load (firing your carto) there will be more voltage drop. Your battery may be putting out 4.2 volts, but under load with high internal resistance that could drop to 4.0v, 3.8v, it just depends on the internal resistance of the battery, and like I said, generally the smaller they are, the worse they are.

So, increasing the mAh could potentially increase the power of your device, assuming that your batteries were not adequate in the first place. But even then it would be by a small margin.

Also, skinny batteries like used in cigalikes and egos are worse than shorter, fatter batteries. If you compared two batteries of the same chemistry and construction, and both the same mAh rating, but one battery is tall and skinny, and the other is short and fat, the short and fat one will be able to put out more current than the tall skinny one. This is because of the design of the cells themselves, it's a big spiral wrap. The more wraps the more current. A tall skinny battery has less wraps, a shorter fatter one has more = more current.

An 18350 rated at 700mAh will likely put out more current than an 1100mAh eGo battery. And could potentially actually last longer too. Capacity rating is done at a fixed drain, and that drain is a lot less than the high-power applications we are using. When you change the drain of a battery, it's capacity relative to how much power being used changes. So a 700mAh could last longer than a 1100mAh. Depends on a lot of things, but just generally speaking such things are possible.

 

[sammisam]

The capacity (mAh rating) CAN potentially influence the power of the device.

Smaller batteries generally have higher internal resistance, which means when the battery is put under load (firing your carto) there will be more voltage drop. Your battery may be putting out 4.2 volts, but under load with high internal resistance that could drop to 4.0v, 3.8v, it just depends on the internal resistance of the battery, and like I said, generally the smaller they are, the worse they are.

So, increasing the mAh could potentially increase the power of your device, assuming that your batteries were not adequate in the first place. But even then it would be by a small margin.

Also, skinny batteries like used in cigalikes and egos are worse than shorter, fatter batteries. If you compared two batteries of the same chemistry and construction, and both the same mAh rating, but one battery is tall and skinny, and the other is short and fat, the short and fat one will be able to put out more current than the tall skinny one. This is because of the design of the cells themselves, it's a big spiral wrap. The more wraps the more current. A tall skinny battery has less wraps, a shorter fatter one has more = more current.

An 18350 rated at 700mAh will likely put out more current than an 1100mAh eGo battery. And could potentially actually last longer too. Capacity rating is done at a fixed drain, and that drain is a lot less than the high-power applications we are using. When you change the drain of a battery, it's capacity relative to how much power being used changes. So a 700mAh could last longer than a 1100mAh. Depends on a lot of things, but just generally speaking such things are possible.

Wow, thank you so much for your posts. That all makes sense. Appreciated.

 

[lkim65]

That's what I originally thought about the mAh and then I read something else that made me wonder otherwise. So, if they make eGo Dual Coil clearomizers and cartomizers, but the eGo batteries aren't strong enough to use them, what does one use them with? Help!

The dual coil cartomizers are used with the original, regular eGo. I have the regular eGo and only use the dual coil cartomizers. But I never use the clear cartomizers because they melt! I am perfectly happy with the original eGo. The newer ones all seem to have tank systems, which don't appeal to me since they can break. I am a battery and carto girl...simple and about as fool proof as one can get.

 

[UncleChuck]

Just as an FYI, even newer ego batteries still use a standard 510 connection, so you could get a new ego battery and use your current cartos with it. Just because vendors will sell the whole kit which includes the tank atomizers doesn't mean you are limited to using only those.

I thought you might like to know, as I would hate you see you limit your options!

 

[sherid]

Just got this...must be doing something wrong because it does nothing. I charged it, and all went well, then tried to use it. Nothing. Could someone give me operating instructions because there were none with the unit.

 

[Kent C]

Just got this...must be doing something wrong because it does nothing. I charged it, and all went well, then tried to use it. Nothing. Could someone give me operating instructions because there were none with the unit.

Hi sherid. If you have a Joyetech eGo - there's the 5 click on/off - do it rapidly.... if the led button is working but you're not getting vapor, then there's a good chance that the juice delivery device center post isn't connecting.... common with vision products. You'll need to either screw up or pull out the center pin but do it carefully. If not a Joye, then it could be the battery's center post - same thing pry up carefully....



Center Pin Issue - Fixing a non firing eGo battery - YouTube

 

[sherid]

Hi sherid. If you have a Joyetech eGo - there's the 5 click on/off - do it rapidly.... if the led button is working but you're not getting vapor, then there's a good chance that the juice delivery device center post isn't connecting.... common with vision products. You'll need to either screw up or pull out the center pin but do it carefully. If not a Joye, then it could be the battery's center post - same thing pry up carefully....



Center Pin Issue - Fixing a non firing eGo battery - YouTube

Thanks, Kent. I did not know about the five click on/off, so that did it. I appreciate your help.

 

[r77r7r]

No offense!!!

 

[vjdossey]

Ahhh, info overload. I use spinner 1300mag and ego.mega vv/vw v 3, what kind of results would I get with dual coils -or should i stick to single coils?