Question about Nicotine Stength?

[billyapd21]

So I bought a 30ml 24g nicotine strength e juice. So far I have been averaging about 2ml per day usage. I used to smoke Marlbora Milds Methol. Basically I don't want to intake more nicotine than what I was smoking before. So if I was smoking about a pack day, should I only be vaping about 1ml not 2ml? Thanks. This forum is so helpful for a newbie.

 

[danks]

I think you have to feel it out... I would generally smoke light analogs but I found using lower nic ejuice didn't do it for me. 24mg with LR cartos has been satisfying me lately.

 

[BardicDruid]

Use as much as needed to stave off the cravings, I was a pack to a pack and half a day smoker and when I started 5ml was about average for me. It was also 24mg, if you start to feel the buzz your over doing it and need to slow down a little.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

Even 1 ml of 30mg is more than a pack of butts.About 3x(edit misread, OP said 30ml at 24mg not 30mg) more at 2ml's.There is about 18-24 mg per full flavor pack of cigs so 1ml of either strength would be about where you want to be if you want to keep it at that level.

If you feel good at the level you are at maybe think about stepping down but be prepared, you will notice a diminished throat hit. The nicotine is the primary factor in TH so when you step down know it isn't the juice but the nic level

 

[DC2]

At 2ml per day of 24mg juice I don't think you need to worry about upping your nicotine use.
The absorption rate of electronic cigarettes is much less than cigarettes.

Just do what feels right.

 

[DC2]

Even 1 ml of 30mg is more than a pack of butts.

You are not taking absorption rates into consideration at all here.

 

[Eddie.Willers]

As others have said, the absorption rate of nicotine from vapor is the big unknown - this makes it almost impossible to say that x cigarettes of Brand A are equal to y milliliters of juice at z mg nicotine.

The rule of thumb for newbies seems to be: start at 18-24mg nic, expect to vape around 1.5mL per day. Lower the nic content if your cravings are satisfied (or increase juice consumption if not).

It's all one big example of YMMV.

 

[Eclipsed1770]

I find that the nic level kills the craving. When I vape an 18mg juice it doesn't kill the craving no matter how much I vape. When I vape a 24mg juice it kills the craving. Just vape the mg level that kills the craving and don't worry about how much you vape until you get the symptoms of too much nic which is headache and irregular heart beat. I vape probable 3-4 ml of 21-24mg juice a day. I mix 18mg and 24mg to get the 21mg juice. I'm trying to lower my nic intake and still keep the cravings underwraps.

 

[dormouse]

You cannot directly compare it. 1.5-2 ml per day is at the lower end of juice usage. 24mg is about right for a full strength cigarette smoker. If you are concerned, try some 16-18mg or at least have some to use when you think you are vaping a lot.

And at home, I find it helps to leave my ecigs in another room so I have to get up and go vape.

 

[wv2win]

Even 1 ml of 30mg is more than a pack of butts.About 3x more at 2ml's.There is about 18-24 mg per full flavor pack of cigs so 1ml of either strength would be about where you want to be if you want to keep it at that level.

If you feel good at the level you are at maybe thing about stepping down but be prepared, you will notice a diminished throat hit. The nicotine is the primary factor in TH so when you step down know it isn't the juice but the nic level

I don't agree. You can't compare smoking and nicotine absorption to vaping. That was settled from studies about a year ago. Every study in this area indicated that vaping is far less efficient in putting nicotine into your system than smoking. It is just not the same process. It is like comparing apples to oranges. You are probably putting LESS nicotine into your system vaping 24mg strength liquid than smoking, even if you were vaping 4ml a day.

This type of advice could easily lead to someone going back to smoking because they are not getting enough nicotine to make the transition. And you won't OD on nic from vaping. You would feel the effects way before you got too much from a safety standpoint. There are many people who vape 36mg liquid and vape 3-5ml's a day. I'm down to 18mg but started at 36mg before cutting down to 24 and then 18.

The advice from BardicDruid was on the mark. Use what ever you need to keep from smoking.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

I don't agree.

Surprise,surprise. I'm not the only person who says 18-24mg but I still get singled out by you. I think many would agree 18-24mg is a staple starting point for PAD noobs.

Regardless of "absorption rate" I dont think it is a coincidence that most pack a day smokers end up starting out vaping at 18-24mg and many ( to be clear, I'm not saying all but a large portion of ) PAD noobs who start at 30-36mg complain about headaches and nic buzz.

If I didn't know better I would start to think this is getting personal for you

I'm not even going based off my own experience. When I switched to vaping, 24mg was clearly way more than I was getting as a PAD smoker. I got nic buz and head ache at that level and I vaped less than 2ml's per day.So I ended up at 18mg but I take into account the consensus of what I see and include 24mg.

Look ,advise just like anything else is subjective ( you know,YMMV). You know which side of the spectrum I stand when it comes to noobs and I know you will never agree and I am ok with that but I like to be safe anyway

It was the advise given to me and many others and has worked fine for most of us.

I have never seen anyone suggest 36mg to a noob who hasn't noted a lack of satisfaction.Never. This OP was not talking about satisfaction.

I have put alot of thought into my statement and stand by 18-24mg being a well educated suggestion and I think to call my statements misinformation or leading to them going back smoking is, with all due respect, a bit dramatic.Sorry

 

[SMKNOMOR]

You are not taking absorption rates into consideration at all here.

Perhaps not. But still, Do you think 18-24mg is too little?

 

[wv2win]

Even 1 ml of 30mg is more than a pack of butts. About 3x(edit misread, OP said 30ml at 24mg not 30mg) more at 2ml's.There is about 18-24 mg per full flavor pack of cigs so 1ml of either strength would be about where you want to be if you want to keep it at that level.

If you feel good at the level you are at maybe think about stepping down but be prepared, you will notice a diminished throat hit. The nicotine is the primary factor in TH so when you step down know it isn't the juice but the nic level

I don't agree. You can't compare smoking and nicotine absorption to vaping. That was settled from studies about a year ago. Every study in this area indicated that vaping is far less efficient in putting nicotine into your system than smoking. It is just not the same process. It is like comparing apples to oranges. You are probably putting LESS nicotine into your system vaping 24mg strength liquid than smoking, even if you were vaping 4ml a day.

This type of advice could easily lead to someone going back to smoking because they are not getting enough nicotine to make the transition. And you won't OD on nic from vaping. You would feel the effects way before you got too much from a safety standpoint. There are many people who vape 36mg liquid and vape 3-5ml's a day. I'm down to 18mg but started at 36mg before cutting down to 24 and then 18.

The advice from BardicDruid was on the mark. Use what ever you need to keep from smoking.

Surprise,surprise. I'm not the only person who says 18-24mg but I still get singled out by you. I think many would agree 18-24mg is a staple starting point for noobs.

Regardless of "absorption rate" I dont think it is a coincidence that most pack a day smokers end up starting out vaping at 18-24mg and how many ( to be clear, I'm not saying all ) PAD noobs who start at 30-36mg complain about headaches and nic buzz.

If I didn't know better I would start to think this is getting personal for you

I'm not even going based off my own experience. 24mg was way too much for me as a PAD smoker when I started out. I got nic buz and head ache at that level.So I ended up at 18mg but I take into account the consensus of what I see and include 24mg.

Look ,advise just like anything else is subjective ( you know,YMMV). You know which side of the spectrum I stand when it comes to noobs and I know you will never agree and I am ok with that but I like to be safe anyway

It was the advise given to me and many others and has worked fine for most of us.

I have never seen anyone suggest 36mg to a noob who hasn't noted a lack of satisfaction.Never. The OP was not talking about satisfaction.

I have put alot of thought into my statement and stand by 18-24mg being a well educated suggestion and I think to call my statements misinformation or leading to them going back smoking is, with all due respect, a bit dramatic.Sorry

You REALLY must have a reading comprehension problem. I said NOTHING about 24mg not being a good starting point for a new vaper. In fact I recommend that level regularly.

I and the other posters on this thread who disagreed with you, specifically made the point that your comments, (bolded above) were the problem and not accurate. You cannot intelligently equate eliquid nicotine strengths to type or amount of cigarettes smoked, as you stated. The nicotine absorpation from smoking is much more efficient than it is from vaping. Additionally, telling the OP to stay at only 1 or 2 ml's a day is also a bad idea. If he needs more than that to stay off cigarettes and only had you for advise, then he would be back to smoking. The average usage based on numerous polls is 3-5mls a day with 24mg being the most common strength vaped. There have been no evidence of mass nicotine overdoses.

But I think you know that and just don't have an answer, because as indicated by my and the others response to your comments, they are not based on facts. So don't try the to "redirect" my comments to something I never said.

 

[stringchopper]

I think you have to feel it out... I would generally smoke light analogs but I found using lower nic ejuice didn't do it for me. 24mg with LR cartos has been satisfying me lately.

I guess everyone is different. Today is my first real day vaping. Got 11mg VG and it does the trick for me. With analogs, I smoke 3/4 to a full pack of Camel Lights per day.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

You REALLY must have a reading comprehension problem.

You know what I gave you the benefit of the doubt all the other times but this is clearly an attack. I;m sorry if you dont agree with my post but it is not ok make personal remarks like that.

Not for nothing people come here to talk and even debate but not this. You are out of line!!

My advise was 18-24mg Im sorry if I dont agree with the whole "absorption: thing but there is a bigger study going on. Its called ECF.

If most agree ,including you ,18-24 mg is as satisfying as a PAD at 18- 24mg and thats pretty close to a 1-1 ratio than the study doesn't make sense to me.

You are probably putting LESS nicotine into your system vaping 24mg strength liquid than smoking, even if you were vaping 4ml a day.

So 96mg of juice a day would be the equivalent of a PAD? This is your argument? Who vapes 96mg a day with out feeling like they are going to die. How many Noobs even vape half that at 48mg?This statement DOESN'T MAKE SENCE.

Explain something to me< how does:

I said NOTHING about 24mg not being a good starting point for a new vaper. In fact I recommend that level regularly.

Plus:

There is about 18-24 mg per full flavor pack of cigs

Equal:

You cannot intelligently equate eliquid nicotine strengths to type or amount of cigarettes smoked, as you stated. The nicotine absorpation from smoking is much more efficient than it is from vaping.

Do you think Noobs vape multiple mls a day like pro's?

Hows that for intelligently equating?

So don't try the to "redirect" my comments to something I never said.

You mean like you did here:

Additionally, telling the OP to stay at only 1 or 2 ml's a day is also a bad idea.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth.

You say you agree with me that 24 is in the optimal range but you negate that statement when you were using the absorption argument to say it isn't close to 1-1.My reading comprehension is fine. You are just talking out both sides of your mouth. So which is it do you agree or not. You are grabbing at straws to start a P***ing contest and your view is certainly not objective or even concise for that matter.

Think about it. You are trying to say the absorption is a small fraction. Taking into account most noobs vape closer to 1ml than 2mls a day at first, even if it was as much as 50% at 24mg a pack we would all have to vape 50mg to get a 1-1 ratio.Its not logical to me.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to find my posts and make personal attacks but I dont deserve it.I'm sick of it.I am a man who takes great pride in his intelligence and I will tolerate insults to it anymore.Do we understand each other?

If you cant restrain your anger when people have opposing opinions maybe you should just move on like the rules state.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

I guess everyone is different. Today is my first real day vaping. Got 11mg VG and it does the trick for me. With analogs, I smoke 3/4 to a full pack of Camel Lights per day.

Congratulations stringchopper, Welcome to the family

 

[wv2win]

Look, if you want to "debate" that all the studies done to date on nicotine absorption and vaping are wrong, and you, with no support, are right, then you might as well debate yourself. It would be foolish to debate you since you somehow believe that you have more knowledge than those who have done the research and the rest of us who disagree with you.

But when you lead a new person to believe that vaping and smoking have the same absorption rate and not to vape more than 1 or 2 mls a day, you are hurting a new person's chance of successfully transitioning to vaping. That is why so many of us disagree with you. You seem to have a hang-up about nicotine. That's fine for you, but don't pass it along to an unsuspecting new person especially when all the studies and personal experience on this and other forums do not support your position.

 

[Ralikar]

The upshot is that it is variable and you need to determine your own goals and adjust your nic level.
1) Are you just trying to get off smokes? Then vape until you are satisfied...
2) Are you trying to drop your nic level slowly or quit? Then work down gradually...

Best advice is that vaping can be habitual in the act itself-I vape 24/7 and many people start to increase their use over time. So I would tell you to set your vaping habits now in conjunction with your goals--either treat it like a cig and use it sporadically or drop your nic and vape more frequently. The end result is up to you.

 

[SMKNOMOR]

Look, if you want to "debate" that all the studies done to date on nicotine absorption and vaping are wrong, and you, with no support, are right, then you might as well debate yourself. It would be foolish to debate you since you somehow believe that you have more knowledge than those who have done the research and the rest of us who disagree with you.

But when you lead a new person to believe that vaping and smoking have the same absorption rate and not to vape more than 1 or 2 mls a day, you are hurting a new person's chance of successfully transitioning to vaping. That is why so many of us disagree with you. You seem to have a hang-up about nicotine. That's fine for you, but don't pass it along to an unsuspecting new person especially when all the studies and personal experience on this and other forums do not support your position.

A: I was debating. You took it in a completely inappropriate direction....Again.

And B:You know I have a point.You agree with me too on one hand but you just wont admit the study doesn't coincide with the populous opinion including your own on the other because for some reason you wont be objective in debating me. For some reason even though you agree with me you are hell bent on discrediting me.

hurting a new person's chance of successfully transitioning to vaping.

How? I gave the same suggestion as you just more concise.

hang-up about nicotine.

Now that you mention it, I am starting to develop a hang up for one person giving irrespirable-extreem views regarding nicotine.

You just suggested 96mg is closer to a PAD.Imagine if a noob seen that and tried vaping 96mg's in a day using your "absorption" logic. Now who is hurting Noobs?

Look, everyone agrees, 18-24MG =PAD and 18-24MG is the populous(your opinion) starting liquid.Period. How is that not close to 1-1? How does the study reconcile?

This is all bull and you know it.....Again.

 

[smellysocks]

Arguments aside, thank you to everyone who posted in this thread because I think that there is some quite useful advice buried between the absorption disagreements.

I'm a 10-yr, half-pack smoker who just placed a first order for a starter kit. I wish that I had seen this thread sooner because I did some math and assumed absorption to be the same as through cigs, and decided to try 6 and 12 mg juices assuming consumption of 1-2ml/day of juice. I'm trying to use vaping as a way to stop smoking and to eventually stop using nic altogether, but it sounds like I might want to try some higher nic juice to stave off cravings without increasing the amount of time spent going through the physical ritual of smoking. In the past when I've tried to quit smoking using nicotine replacement/dopamine inhibitors, the craving for the ritual was what ultimately caused me to light up again. Therefore, perhaps higher nic dosages, coupled with a gradual tapering of the ritual, will help me better than immediately decreasing my nic uptake.

Anyone care to comment on this? Am I going to suck through all of my juice before a second shipment has time to arrive? Should I try to be proactive and place an order for some 24mg juice before my kit arrives (tomorrow)?