I remember reading somewhere in this forum that some people have allergic reactions to PG liquids. I'm curious as to the symptoms that people have had from this allergy... anyone?
Question about PG vs VG liquids...
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Truth, I think there are a wide range of different symptoms (just as everyone is different if they have for example a peanut allergy). Symptoms range from moderate to severe. There are reports of tongue swelling, hives or itching and then other milder but odd symptoms such as dizziness, spacey feelings. Some cut the liquid in half with Vegetable Glycerin (or more) and it seems to fade the reaction and some report getting used to it over time, and going back to all PG liquid. Others just switch to Vegetable Glycerin.
Some people report an allergy to liquids that contain LorAnn's extracts. A few Suppliers make their own e-liquid flavors using these.
You can find more on allergies and other concerns in the Health area
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This is a list of the common symptoms when starting to use these (what to expect) and when you should perhaps look into PG alternatives:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...3305-list-common-symptoms-when-e-smoking.html
Some people report an allergy to liquids that contain LorAnn's extracts. A few Suppliers make their own e-liquid flavors using these.
You can find more on allergies and other concerns in the Health area
Health, Safety and E-Smoking - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat
This is a list of the common symptoms when starting to use these (what to expect) and when you should perhaps look into PG alternatives:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...3305-list-common-symptoms-when-e-smoking.html
Thanks for the reply! I have been smoking my e-cig for about four days now using the PG juice that came with it and have been breakin out in a bit of a rash lately, but I suppose it could be just from the switch from regular smokes to vaping. Some users in that symptom thread mention that this could just be the body expelling toxins.. In either instance though, it sounds to me like using VG liquids would be a healthier way to vape. Is this true?
I itched for awhile myself but went away.
could also be withdrawal symtoms from analogs. dont know for sure.
could also be withdrawal symtoms from analogs. dont know for sure.
I don't think VG is better/worse than PG. All in what your body can handle. Everyone's body chem is different.
Might want to try to cut the liquid a bit with VG and see if that ends it... You can buy it at most drug stores. It will cut down the nicotine level though, so you might want to buy some VG no flavor nicotine liquid to jazz up the level a bit? I like my juice cut down a tad with a 50/50 mix of PG/VG for the added vapor.
If that doesn't help, you can buy pure VG liquid. Check out the Supplier's section of the forum and do a search for VG and check out the DIY section to make your own recipes.
Is this rash just on your face or other parts as well? I know I had little red bump zits around my mouth and chin for a few months. It went away, and I moisturize a bit more these days.
Might want to try to cut the liquid a bit with VG and see if that ends it... You can buy it at most drug stores. It will cut down the nicotine level though, so you might want to buy some VG no flavor nicotine liquid to jazz up the level a bit? I like my juice cut down a tad with a 50/50 mix of PG/VG for the added vapor.
If that doesn't help, you can buy pure VG liquid. Check out the Supplier's section of the forum and do a search for VG and check out the DIY section to make your own recipes.
Is this rash just on your face or other parts as well? I know I had little red bump zits around my mouth and chin for a few months. It went away, and I moisturize a bit more these days.
Yea mostly just on my face... I suppose I might try out VG liquid for awhile and see how that goes. Ah my lungs are feeling so much better already though... and my sense of smell.
Oh.. right, almost forgot.. so does VG produce a lot less vapor or something? I know I read a thread awhile back about the differences between the two but I forget where that was.
Truth, I really think all you are experiencing is the dryness of the initial start of vaping. Your skin gets used to the vapor being around it, and that will stop. Get some nice face moisturizer (treat yourself with all the $$ you are saving from analogs!!) and don't worry about it at this point!
The feeling of better health returning is such a great thing! Good for you! Yup, my sense of smell returning was amazing. I'll never forget after the first week I quit, walking 5 feet away from an outdoor ashtray in front of a supermarket and smelling it! GAHHHH!!! I'd NEVER smelled that when I smoked!!. Standing next to a smoker... holy cow! I smelled like THAT?!! What an eye opener!
The feeling of better health returning is such a great thing! Good for you! Yup, my sense of smell returning was amazing. I'll never forget after the first week I quit, walking 5 feet away from an outdoor ashtray in front of a supermarket and smelling it! GAHHHH!!! I'd NEVER smelled that when I smoked!!. Standing next to a smoker... holy cow! I smelled like THAT?!! What an eye opener!
Haha.. yeah I walked into my buddy's house last night, where a lot of my friends go to hang out, and pretty much everyone there is a smoker. I've never noticed before but the house reeks of cigarettes! Though when I whipped out the vaporizer, of course everyone wanted to try it out lol.. seems like a lot of smokers are interested in switching over, but are weary of it actually being a decent replacement for their decadent habit.
So far I'm really happy with this choice and hope that more people take it up and leave behind the analogs. It's also ridiculously amusing to me vaping in grocery stores and movie theatres haha... oh the simple things in life.
So far I'm really happy with this choice and hope that more people take it up and leave behind the analogs. It's also ridiculously amusing to me vaping in grocery stores and movie theatres haha... oh the simple things in life.
I've been vaping about a month and spent probably another 2 months before that reading boatloads of posts and articles... trying to figure out if e-cigs were actually safe and had the same questions about PG vs. VG.
Basically I think most will agree that in general both PG and VG are pretty safe for vaping. There do seem to be a few pros and cons, though (cobbled togehter from several threads) ...
PG has a lower boiling point, 188C, and no chemical reactions before hitting boiling point. VG has a boiling point of 290C, but VG has a problematic characteristic where it breaks down and produces a highly toxic chemical called Acrolein at 280C, 10 degrees LOWER than the boiling point. Acrolein is present in cigarettes but there's some concern that buildup of VG on an attys contributes to Acrolein buildup in higher amounts than cigarettes. There's a big post about this subject here... I can't post the link due to new-poster restrictions but search the forums for ""Decomposition of VG to acrolein". It's awful stuff... was used as a chemical weapon in WW1. It's effects on *external* skin at 1.5-2ppm are described as "serious damage", so one can imagine its effect on spongy lungs.
This alone was enough to steer me to PG. PG has been tested in vapor form on rats and monkeys with no negative result. However, PG as you've read produces allergies in some people, and a rash is a clear sign of an allergy so you may be in that boat. VG is found in many natural foods and has apparently an extremely low occurrence of allergic reaction.
VG's higher boiling point may also reduce the useful life of an atty. Attys seem to fade out, not burn away, so a middle-age atty could still pump out PG pretty good while it might not do as well with VG.
VG is more viscous and reportedly gums up attys faster, possibly also reducing the life of attys further or requiring more maintenance.
PG also has antibiotic properties, whereas some have described VG as "bacteria food", possibly an issue if you store juice in warm areas for long periods of time.
That most lot of the stuff I had saved before reading. Hope that helps.
Wow, you damn near scared me away from VG with all that talk of toxic chemicals... but if I'm allergic to PG liquids, what other choice do I have... I must admit I am a fairly paranoid person (despite the irony of smoking cigarettes for so long considering all the warnings and studies) so I'm really just lookin for the best choice here.
I also have to admit that though vaporizing has been a decent alternative to cigarettes thus far, I've still had one or two real cigs a day to calm my cravings. All the refilling of liquids and charging batteries and all is starting to feel like a hassle to be honest. As the novelty of smoking in public starts to wear off, I've been questioning my decision to switch to vaporizing a bit. I know this wasn't the original intention of this thread, but it's just an observation I've made over the past four to five days I've been vaporizing.
Damn, what a bipolar sounding statement compared to the post I made earlier today... It seems to all come down to a question of which is the lesser of two evils, and though the answer seems obvious, we are all creatures of habit after all right?
I also have to admit that though vaporizing has been a decent alternative to cigarettes thus far, I've still had one or two real cigs a day to calm my cravings. All the refilling of liquids and charging batteries and all is starting to feel like a hassle to be honest. As the novelty of smoking in public starts to wear off, I've been questioning my decision to switch to vaporizing a bit. I know this wasn't the original intention of this thread, but it's just an observation I've made over the past four to five days I've been vaporizing.
Damn, what a bipolar sounding statement compared to the post I made earlier today... It seems to all come down to a question of which is the lesser of two evils, and though the answer seems obvious, we are all creatures of habit after all right?
Good info. Best to make informed decisions about this.
The temperature range of atomizers generally poses no problems. However, I wouldn't use VG on a 6v unit. For a standard e-cig, it should be fine.
People have been using all VG for a long time. If there were huge issues, they would have surfaced by now. Kinabaloo posted this:
Lots of good info:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...012-propylene-glycol-vegetable-glycerine.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/14359-decomposition-vg-acrolein.html
The only totally safe known vaping is none. Really, putting any chemical in your body long term leaves many unknowns. Considering my option of smoking, I feel this option is relatively low risk. I know I feel better since I have quit smoking and started vaping. Will it bite me in the .... in 10 years? I don't know. I DO know that smoking will.
There are many users of both PG and 100% VG here on this forum that have been vaping around a year or two. Nothing has been reported of a medical nature on the forum or in the news (and you can bet someone would at least report back if there was a toxic aspect that showed up after a period of use).
I feel pretty confident myself that the VG I use to cut isn't a problem. As long as you aren't going 5v or 6v with 100% VG, you should be fine if you have to use it.
I looked at it this way... I was willing to risk my health on a KNOWN burning stick full of carcinogens while I smoked. We actually have a good idea of what is in our liquid, so with the knowledge here, you can at least weigh the risks compared to a cigarette. For me, it was a no brainer.
The temperature range of atomizers generally poses no problems. However, I wouldn't use VG on a 6v unit. For a standard e-cig, it should be fine.
People have been using all VG for a long time. If there were huge issues, they would have surfaced by now. Kinabaloo posted this:
Lots of good info:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...012-propylene-glycol-vegetable-glycerine.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/experiments-equipment/14359-decomposition-vg-acrolein.html
The only totally safe known vaping is none. Really, putting any chemical in your body long term leaves many unknowns. Considering my option of smoking, I feel this option is relatively low risk. I know I feel better since I have quit smoking and started vaping. Will it bite me in the .... in 10 years? I don't know. I DO know that smoking will.
There are many users of both PG and 100% VG here on this forum that have been vaping around a year or two. Nothing has been reported of a medical nature on the forum or in the news (and you can bet someone would at least report back if there was a toxic aspect that showed up after a period of use).
I feel pretty confident myself that the VG I use to cut isn't a problem. As long as you aren't going 5v or 6v with 100% VG, you should be fine if you have to use it.
I looked at it this way... I was willing to risk my health on a KNOWN burning stick full of carcinogens while I smoked. We actually have a good idea of what is in our liquid, so with the knowledge here, you can at least weigh the risks compared to a cigarette. For me, it was a no brainer.
Keep in mind that even if there are trace amounts of Acrolein in VG vapor, that's 3999 less chemicals than in a cigarette smoke. If Acrolein was coming out of PVs in harmful amounts in normal use, I would think it would be readily apparent. The bigger issue for me is that this whole VG->Acrolein question still doesn't have a lot of solid scientific analysis as it relates specifically to PVs -- it's all theoretial and anecdotal -- but that in itself is enough to steer me away.
As far as the hassle-factor, it's not as bad as you think. The stuff is shipped straight to your door... just get a couple dozen empty carts and spend 5 minutes every few days refilling them. Cleaning is really just dropping them in hot-water/alcohol. Usually you end up with several batteries/attys so there's one set being cleaned while the other is in use.
No more stinky ashtrays, you're saving significant amounts of money, not *having* to run out when you get low on smokes, not to mention the literal life-or-death benefits of not smoking cigarettes.
As far as the hassle-factor, it's not as bad as you think. The stuff is shipped straight to your door... just get a couple dozen empty carts and spend 5 minutes every few days refilling them. Cleaning is really just dropping them in hot-water/alcohol. Usually you end up with several batteries/attys so there's one set being cleaned while the other is in use.
No more stinky ashtrays, you're saving significant amounts of money, not *having* to run out when you get low on smokes, not to mention the literal life-or-death benefits of not smoking cigarettes.
Also, on the charging issue, most people get a "PCC" (Personal Charging Case), which is effectively a metal case about the size of a cigarette pack. It charges one e-cig battery, and has 3 slots for atomizers/cartridges. You charge one while you use the other. I only have 2 attys and 2 batteries and have never had a 510 battery die on me. I use all 3 slots for filled cartridges -- i just move the atty over during the day -- so I've never run out of juice on long days either. The PCC charges via USB, so you can hook it up to a car charger adatpers, traditional power outlets, or even a PC.
There are also "USB passthrus"... if you have access to a USB port -- your computer or again a car charger adapter -- you can vape without need for a battery.
There are also "USB passthrus"... if you have access to a USB port -- your computer or again a car charger adapter -- you can vape without need for a battery.
I've been using a Joye 510 so far... not quite sure of the voltage on the battery. Whatever comes standard I suppose.
As far as the hassle of everything, I suppose it has it's pros and cons, like anything. I wanna stick with it though, as I've really started to value my health a lot more lately and wanna eventually lose my nicotine addiction altogether.
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