Question for premium carto users...

[Zenfrogs]

I just ordered a few boxes of premiums. I had used one of the hard cap ones that was a freebie and really liked it. The ones I ordered are the gold soft caps. I filled it with 7 or 8 drops - gave it a spin and let it sit for a bit.

Took a very soft drag and it started spewing hot liquid. I figured "ok, I overfilled" but usually they have a gurgling sound or sensation when they are overfilled... I blew it out anyway... gave it another puff ...more hot liquid...

I have been messing with this damn thing all night and at this point I am actually afraid of it. throat is killing me. anyone see an obvious flaw to my approach here? Thanks!

 

[ontheroadtoquitting]

I just ordered a box of these and have yet to use them. I kind of scared now and waiting to see who responds to this. 8-o

 

[Zenfrogs]

to be fair ... it is probably just me ... I seem to be having more issues with the learning curve on this stuff than the average person. The hard cap one I tried was AWESOME - I am starting to think this one is just defective ... but I too am very curious about response. I saw the other thread on the pre filled and don't know what to think.

 

[ontheroadtoquitting]

I'm gonna fill on up right now....hold on a sec.

 

[Belletrist]

I've had that issue with the softcap prems, actually. I think the problem may be overfilling, but they don't give the usual signs of overfilling that we're used to with the standards (gurgle, etc). I don't use 'em much anymore, but that was my hypothesis. You might try backing off the amount of juice you put in them.

 

[ontheroadtoquitting]

uh....experienced the same thing...flaming hot liquid on my tongue. I sometimes overfill though...after a few good blow through's, seems to be working just fine.

I used it on my manual and the auto....worked fine on both. Keep plugging away at it. I would say ya just probably overfilled a bit. And don't suck so hard...these don't seem to need as hard as a draw as the other carts (hard tops).

They are definitely different and seem to hold more liquid, which is nice.

So far, so good!

 

[Zenfrogs]

I've had that issue with the softcap prems, actually. I think the problem may be overfilling, but they don't give the usual signs of overfilling that we're used to with the standards (gurgle, etc). I don't use 'em much anymore, but that was my hypothesis. You might try backing off the amount of juice you put in them.

Thank you for the response. I will cut down ...I just couldn't believe that 7 or 8 drops could have overfilled a completely empty one. And your'e right, it doesn't show the obvious signs. I guess I will tweak my filling method but it's nice to know I am not completely nuts/inept.

 

[Stephra]

Try letting them rest a bit before vaping as well to be sure the juice is absorbed properly. I'm frankly a little baffled, I've never had this problem with the softcap prems.

Then again, I pop the cap and drip because it's so easy, and less messy than cap-filling, plus I can see exactly how wet the filler is. It takes a lot of the guesswork out of it.

 

[Mark37643]

I've been lucky, and never had this problem. I do let my refilled carts sit at least overnight though. I also make sure I can see through it, and blow it out if I can't whenever I fill. I pop the tops if possible and fill by sight, but I also use the condom method if the cap is glued. Good Luck. There certainly is a learning curve with a dash of trial and error

 

[Devilooman]

Weird! I get about 25 drops in a new blank carto. How do you fill them? If you have juice in the tube in the middle it will get in your mouth whether it's overfilled or not. Usually after I fill and spin I blow in the battery end to make sure it's all out. If it is overfilled blow on the mouth end. You should be able to look through the carto and see clearly through there.

 

[the4thpower3]

I believe V4L has been switching manufacturers for these premium carts and also tinkering with designs (as they've been doing with their batteries as well).

I just compared the prefilled Pineapple SoftCap Premium that I just got in the mail today (which is one that just burned my lip with boiling liquid) to another SoftCap Premium Watermelon that I got 2 weeks ago.

I noticed the wick material looks slightly different. Mainly the center surrounding the atomizer coil/wire.
The Watermelon has (as the previous hardcaps and most others) has a braided material center tube that surrounds the wire, and around that has a slightly thicker fill material surrounding it then the rest is puffy filling.

The newest Pineapple doesn't seem to have that braided material, instead has a much thicker blanketed material that is wrapped several times before turning into the puffy filling. It looks as though this thick material is holding a lot of juice. And boiling up - instead of completely atomizing the juice, and is spewing some piping hot liquid.

Obviously the 2 I'm comparing, I believe to be from 2 different manufacturers.

 

[Zenfrogs]

I think I will take the advice to let them rest overnight ... I have not been doing that.

Weird! I get about 25 drops in a new blank carto. How do you fill them? If you have juice in the tube in the middle it will get in your mouth whether it's overfilled or not. Usually after I fill and spin I blow in the battery end to make sure it's all out. If it is overfilled blow on the mouth end. You should be able to look through the carto and see clearly through there.

I can't seem to get more than 12 or 13 drops in anything without leakage. However, I am only on my second order and haven't had new cartos since my starter kit came. I assumed that I would be able to add the 18 I keep hearing about. Up till now I have just been adding liquid frequently ... 3 or 4 drops at a time otherwise it seems to make a mess. I must be overfilling and not realizing because they all have a bit of a hard draw in the beginning and then after a while when you can feel them heating up and you get lots of vapor...I usually let them go like that for a bit and then I add liquid. I guess I am afraid to scorch them.

However, I am positive I have not overfilled this premium. It lit my tongue up again this morning. I am just going to toss it and try the others when my DIY order gets here this afternoon

Here's my routine:

Remove Cap. Tilt to one side and place drops around the outside edge going clockwise around perimeter. I have a cord that I have attached to a condom and I use this to spin it a few times. If It's gurgling I blow it out.

This is a pic of offending premium carto : the center tube has sort a carbon fiber like weave texture, I think. Is that what you meant?

Thanks to you all I appreciate the help!

 

[Mr.Stick]

This one is on another thread too. I guess that makes it a pretty general problem.

I've been refilling my prefilled premiums, which have the spewing issue right out of the box as well as on refill. I don't find it a huge problem now that I've toyed with it. Goes a little something like this...

With the prefills, one can either blow them out, pop the cap and soak up some of the excess, or (with a manual batt) keep the first hits really, really light.

When refilling, I like to put the tip of my bottle right on the surface of the filler and just give it the lightest squeeze. You know, inject the juice rather than drip it (counting seconds till innuendo...). Works great for me.

I've already decided I love these cartos and flavors, so I've put some legwork into finding my way around their eccentricities.

 

[Zenfrogs]

ok... I have made a discovery re this issue. What all this means I am not sure... I made sure that there was no juice in the center tube. about ten times. Wisteelersfan pointed out to me that with the soft caps if they get pushed down too far it sits on the polyfill. Also, the carto while spitting hot juice was starting to get a dry taste... so I added5 more drops, blew out the center yet again, made sure the cap was not pushed too far in and switched from my new manual battery back to my shorty auto. Lo and behold it hit beautifully several times...at this point I switched batts back to reg manual and the thing starts spitting hot juice and has a weird too hot chemical taste. go back to auto and all is well again.

here's what I think ... I am 99.9% positive that there was no juice in the center tube but I feel it has something to do with the polyfill being higher than the old reg cartos... as for the batt difference... I just dunno...

 

[Mr.Stick]

here's what I think ... I am 99.9% positive that there was no juice in the center tube but I feel it has something to do with the polyfill being higher than the old reg cartos... as for the batt difference... I just dunno...[/QUOTE]

Regarding filler height - Have you hit one of your spitters with the plug swapped? That is to say, try one with a spare hard cap pressed in, rather than the soft tip maybe? Following that, maybe edit a softy with a razor so it is shorter?

Science! Lets experiment our way through it.

 

[Zenfrogs]

ok, i have been experimenting and was able to use the manual batt as long as I did not hit the button for a quick prime.. I hit button after I started to inhale and I barely inhaled and it was good ...lots of vapor but a light airy draw... hit that button for more than a seocnd or two and it got super hot...did not seem to heat up as quick with the old hard cap and ring ... too much of a pain ... going to use my autos with these things until I figure it out!