Question that is bugging me.

[ronchinoy]

Why is it that some flavors take 30 days to cure and some are ready to go in 24 hours. With a basic steep.
i.e. why are tobacco flavors so hard to get right and take so long to mature. ?

Im studying Pyrazines. Did you know frying results in a 16 fold increase of Pyrazines in some foods ?.
What can we do to with our juices to get a 16 fold increase in Pyrazines. Yes I know we can fry it.
Is this why heat of the mod has such a drastic effect on taste ?. Its a theory. My idea is to build a table. Which says ok this flavor has these molecules in it. These will work best at this Temp.
Temp controlled mods are on their way and not hard to build.
Imagine a day when you buy a juice with a listed Temp to vape it at.
Like wise we need a temp table for each flavor based on the flavor contents. i.e. this will cook best at 55c. This one 70c etc.

But the real reason is to figure out why some flavors take so long. And how we can speed it up.
My research says heat is critical. (Closest thing you can do to your e-juice that comes close to frying it).
This is why we heat / cook and fry foods. To get the Pyrazines to work

One of the trade secrets in e-juice will be the temps you need to cure different flavors at.

Im also obsessed with Honey tobacco flavors. Cause I smoke Honey Dew Cigies for 30 years.
So far haven't perfected the Honey Tobacco and have tried a lot of vendors options. TFA / FW / etc.

Need to understand whats up with the long maturation time with some flavors. I dont buy that its a mixing or blending issue.
We have warmed it up. Beat it with a frother till it froths and still no change. So its not a mixing thing. It could be a heat thing.
Same thing when using NET to make a tobacco flavor. Zero steep time. Mix your net and its go
Your thoughts on the long steep time it takes some flavors. ?

 

[lilmrsyeti]

Wish I could help you put with the whys and why nots of steeping times...I've just decided to not worry so much about it, and let my tobaccos sit in a dark cabinet for a few weeks, and when I pull one bottle out, go ahead and make another bottle then and let it start its steeping...that way, when I run out if one, the other is ready. I've tried the "hot water bathes" and it didn't speed up the steep time, IMO...least not by much.

On to the Honey tobaccos....have you tried Vaping Zone Super Concentrated Honey Flu Cured tobacco? It's very concentrated, takes less that 2% to make your juice. It's quite good.

 

[ronchinoy]

Thanks Ill give that one a shot.
My research indicates that Nitrogen Bubbling may help speed things along.
Dont try with air thinking it has nitrogen. It also has o2 and that will oxidise your flavors. And spoil them. Will update with anything else I come up with.

 

[JimmyDB]

I have bubbled with regular air... it didn't spoil my flavors at all. Even after bubbling for hours while being heated to 145F... and then sitting two weeks, nicotine content still measured very close to original (2.4% fell to 2.2% in the worst case with extended time and heat). This is actually how I made my first liter of DIY juice (in various smaller batches normally around 125mL) I found the low heating helped to reduce the viscosity of the VG and allowed the bubbling to do a much better job of mixing the juice and I suspect the heating helped the overall solution of the ingredients. I used low temps as I didn't want to cook anything. I have also done a few rounds at 165F.

Spoiling the flavor of whole tobacco flavors may be a different story, I don't use NET or similar, but when I have used tobacco flavors such as RY4 it worked great. I'm also using high VG mixes... generally something around 3% PG+NIC, 80% VG and 17% Distilled water with any flavors changing the VG/Water total. I have seen people using saline and intend to look in to that.

I have been thinking that between the little added energy of the bubbling, and the little added energy of the heat... and the little added oxygen/etc... I have greatly reduced the time it takes for my personal DIY juice to mature. I actually notice very little difference from something I make today and something I made a month ago. I may just not have as highly of a tuned palette as others though.