Questions about the SB,BB

[Mr Sinister]

I am really looking forward to the BB, as I'm sure is everyone else here. I was wondering...What are the risks with using the unprotected batteries at 6V? Is there any kind of vent hole on the SB, or are they completely sealed? I don't think I will need 6V, but I want to be informed. Is the SB, or will the BB be solderless? How long can I expect the 14500 3.7V battery to last with moderate to heavy use? Thanks for the help.

 

[cddz]

I am really looking forward to the BB, as I'm sure is everyone else here. I was wondering...What are the risks with using the unprotected batteries at 6V? Is there any kind of vent hole on the SB, or are they completely sealed? I don't think I will need 6V, but I want to be informed. Is the SB, or will the BB be solderless? How long can I expect the 14500 3.7V battery to last with moderate to heavy use? Thanks for the help.

The SB and the BB are completetly sealed, and they are not solder free. The bigest risk with using any unprotected batteries in any device is draining the batteries too low. Draining a battery to these low levels changes the chemical composition and can lead to venting/exploding. As far as overcharging use a protected charger. The device protected batteries use is a small PCB(printed circuit board) it can fail as well resulting in an unprotected battery. I have had this happen to me, and I must say it burned a bit. IF you overdraw a battery it can heat up and also change the battery chemistry and cause venting/exploding. PCB on protected batteries are supposed to prevent this as well, but as anything electrical can/will fail. There are no vent holes in the SB or BB, sorry not gonna jump on that bandwagon. I feel the holes may make you feel better about a battery venting/exploding but I DO NOT want moisture to build up inside and corrode the connections/battery terminals. Sorry for the wall of text, I can explain this much better by talking, and I am trying to get my point out lol. Hopefully I did not confuse you. Remember we and other manufactures do not make the batteries or the chargers, be sure to do a bit of research on li-ion batteries.
Chad

 

[Mr Sinister]

So, I read all batteryuniversity.com had to offer on the subject of Li-ion batteries. I understand that all electrical devices can/will fail. The instances of this happening with the protected ones are rare, personal injury even more rare, it does make me a little uneasy. Theoretically what would happen if a battery were to vent inside the sealed compartment of the SB? Also, just throwing this out there, what about a vent similar to a check valve where the pressure can be released, but won't let anything in? I am probably being a little ridiculous and overzealous on the situation, and I don't claim to be an expert in anything, just trying to learn.

 

[cddz]

So, I read all batteryuniversity.com had to offer on the subject of Li-ion batteries. I understand that all electrical devices can/will fail. The instances of this happening with the protected ones are rare, personal injury even more rare, it does make me a little uneasy. Theoretically what would happen if a battery were to vent inside the sealed compartment of the SB? Also, just throwing this out there, what about a vent similar to a check valve where the pressure can be released, but won't let anything in? I am probably being a little ridiculous and overzealous on the situation, and I don't claim to be an expert in anything, just trying to learn.

Don't feel uneasy about it, the walls are just about 3/16in thick, would you really want battery acid all over your hands if the battery did vent? What would happen when the check valve assy oxidized?

 

[Mr Sinister]

Thats true, I didn't think of that. I am a plumber by trade, so I am not too learned on electrical type stuff. If the battery vents, wouldn't the pressure build inside the unit, until something gave?

 

[Bandit]

IMO the SB is built so well and so thick that even the most severe situation (batt literally exploding as opposed to the more likely event... pop & leak) would not be violent enough to rupture the thick walls of the device.

I'm not engineer or scientist, but that's how I see it. Chad can correct me if I'm off base here.

The weak-point would be where the adapter screws into the top. If anything were to go (again, I doubt it), it would be this area.

 

[cddz]

Ill just leave it at this, it has always been there, never disclosed it. I never had the need to. The switch would lift before the atty connector would fail.

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[youngunner]

What is this fad about "solder-less" construction? What does it matter if a PV had solder or not?

 

[cddz]

What is this fad about "solder-less" construction? What does it matter if a PV had solder or not?

Ill be blunt about it....... some feel that becase some feel solder joints will break.... if they are done properly they will never break. Look at all the solder in your everyday electronics. Open contacts are open for oxidation and need cleaning to maintain good contact. good switches are sealed, whick means no oxidation. Smaller switches can have a higher internal resistance due to small contacts. I use 22ga wire in assembly, no bottle neck there. Honestly BOB(botton on bottom) = easier assembly to me and thats it.

 

[DaMulta]

What is this fad about "solder-less" construction? What does it matter if a PV had solder or not?

Less resistance, and most solder has lead in it. You really don't want to be vapping lead do you?

Good thing Sun had atomizers tested, and they came back lead free.

 

[cddz]

Less resistance, and most solder has lead in it. You really don't want to be vapping lead do you?

Good thing Sun had atomizers tested, and they came back lead free.

Most responsible manufactures use lead free solder as I do. Even then where would you get the lead from??????????? are you chewing on the solder joints?

 

[Bandit]

Ill just leave it at this, it has always been there, never disclosed it. I never had the need to. The switch would lift before the atty connector would fail.

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Actually, I had thought this before, but when I posted it I thought I remembered someone correcting me.

In any event, this is not a concern for me honestly.

 

[DaMulta]

Most responsible manufactures use lead free solder as I do. Even then where would you get the lead from??????????? are you chewing on the solder joints?

True, well food cans sealed with lead solder can kill you. Even tho your not chewing on the cans. Just on the safe side of liquid never ending up with what you vape it's best not to use lead solder. Just saying.....(not saying that your not using lead free solder either)


I'm ready for my SB to get to my house! I'm ready to have a PV that I can put in my pocket without the fear of it going off lol. I really don't think the SB will have that problem.

 

[Deschain]

For those worried about "sealed/non-vented construction", I've used Li-Ions (primaries and rechargables) in waterproof flashlights for many years with no problems.

They can fail, vent and even explode in very rare circumstances, but treated with a bit of respect and care, they most likely won't do any of those things.


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[Mr Sinister]

I don't care if it is solderless or not, I was just wondering. As far as the solder goes, there is no lead, and if there was it wouldn't get to you.

 

[cddz]

Actually, I had thought this before, but when I posted it I thought I remembered someone correcting me.

In any event, this is not a concern for me honestly.

I did, lol I remember that. The switch will not "shoot" out. If anything the bottom side of it will simply lift a little.