RANT: Don’t look here for Political Correctness !!!

[Magus86]

Even if so many decisions weren't made by appointed people, it doesn't matter. The people we elect will say whatever they want to make us think they give a rat's ..., then turn around and do what they please(or rather what the people who give them fat sacks of money tell them to do). This reminds me of another George Carlin quote about voting and politicians. I don't remember exactly what it is, but he says that this country was bought and paid for a long time ago, and that crap they shuffle around every 4 years means nothing.

I hate the way this country is run. I hate the way this world is. Everything is a big fat stupid lie or faerie tale. The cops aren't on your side. The government doesn't care if you suffer or die. The doctors are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry, or they simply don't know any better(pharmaceutical companies apparently pay for doctors' schooling in some cases). Western medicine is a pile of BS. Got something wrong with you? Clearly you either need to remove part of your body, or you have a deficiency of this chemical(that is not originally found in your body in the first place), so take this pill. They know nothing about WHY you have the problems you have, and they tell you nothing about how to prevent them. Why? Because they would lose a .... ton of money if we actually knew how to keep ourselves healthy. THEY DON"T WANT THAT. All authority figures are full of hot air, and none of them give a crap about any of us. The more I think about it, and the more I see the truth, the more it just makes me friggin' sick...

It seems like everywhere I look, there's some greedy ....... profiting from the suffering of others, and nobody cares about anybody but him/herself and MAYBE his/her friends and family. It's depressing and sickening to no end.

 

[Petrodus]

Since 1935 the Congress of the United States has delegated vast legislative, executive, and judicial powers to the Federal Agencies.

The Founding Fathers predicted that if ever those constitutional powers were vested in single hands that would be the death of liberty and the birth of tyranny.

In The Rise of Tyranny, Jonathan W. Emord argues that the United States has been transformed from a constitutional republic into a bureaucratic oligarchy because over three-quarters of all federal laws are not created by the elected representatives of the people but by the unelected heads of federal bureaucratic agencies. He urges adoption of Congressman Paul’s Congressional Responsibility and Accountability Act which would prohibit agency regulations from being implemented until Congress enacted them as legislation, thereby returning the law making function to Congress and re-establishing the separation of powers. In Global Censorship of Health Information, Emord explains that legal prohibitions on the right to communicate truthful nutrient-disease information in the market are present in every country that regulates drugs and argues for elimination of those prohibitions in favor of speech freedom and fully informed consumer choice.

Reference:
Secrets of the FDA: Suppressed Information
Drug Industry, FDA and Health Issues
Jonathan W. Emord
Only attorney in history who has defeated the FDA 7 times
6 times on First Amendment grounds
Click Here

For the benefit of the 40% who didn't listen to part 2
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[Howard84]

Ya I would love to see George Carlin's take on this as well. It was amazing how he could speak so honestly about a subject getting a valid point across while making me almost pee myself with laughter.

 

[Drozd]

Very simple - brands + regulation = market control = profit. There is no way to generate as much profit in ecigs - as the ecig business will always be very segmented. When you are thinking of "big tobacco" you are thinking the growers. They don't make squat.


Point being, the ecig business is not a viable option for "big tobacco", in my view, because there are little, if any, barriers to entry. Anyone can start an ecig business and compete directly against them if mainstream - UNLESS it became HIGHLY regulated where it became near impossible to do so....

both philip moris and rj renolds have e-cig prototypes in the works... theres at least one member on here that's seen the r.j. renolds version firsthand...

on a seperate note as far as the OPs post....it's not really true that BT and Big brother couldn't care.... BT seems to be in favor of some sort of e-cig.... where big brother really wants to keep smokers smoking... (I suspect BP does too as the failure rates of their aproved produscts are dismal so people keep trying them).....
but several states have securitized their BT settlement money and sold tobacco shares...whats worse tey went so far as to guarantee those shares.... so if BT sells less cigs they don't have to pay as much in settlement money (I'm guessing they'd like that...and if users were switching to BT made e-cigs it'd be a double win for them)....leaving the states that guaranteed those tobacco shares on the hook for the money (cali is one of those that securitized their settlement and guaranteed them).. so they really don't want people to actually quit smoking

yeah george would have had a field day

 

[Petrodus]

Drozd wrote: both philip moris and rj renolds have e-cig prototypes in the works...theres at least one member on here that's seen the r.j. renolds version firsthand...

Interesting...I suspected that Big Tobacco had something in the works, to grab a piece of the action, because the FDA hasn't been High Profile lately attacking E-cigarettes. Naturally, the FDA wouldn't appose one of their sponsors marketing E-cigarettes.

Admittedly the comment I made about Big tobacco couldn't care less...was inflammatory, stirring the pot a little.

Now the cream is starting to rise to the surface.

Thank you very much for sharing your inside information and observations. A very refreshing and enjoyable read!

 

[Drozd]

Interesting...I suspected that Big Tobacco had something in the works, to grab a piece of the action, because the FDA hasn't been High Profile lately attacking E-cigarettes. Naturally, the FDA wouldn't appose one of their sponsors marketing E-cigarettes.

Admittedly the comment I made about Big tobacco couldn't care less...was inflammatory and thus stir the pot a little.

Now the cream is starting to rise to the surface.

Thank you very much for sharing your inside information and observations. A very refreshing and enjoyable read!

no problem...altria tried to aquire runyan... we had a poster a while ago that worked for R.J. Renolds and he was saying that he's seen some of their e-cig prototypes firsthand...that they're given to emplyees to try out but they arent allowed to leave the place and that the prototypes are very closely guarded and often destroyed...and are sealed so the testers cant even take them apart to see how they worked....

that really doesnt surprise me because if you research R.J renolds their CEO is actually pretty forward looking....she saw profits declining so pushed for the company to develop their own snus, and several kinds of disolveables...I don't imagine they'd be real forthcoming about any e-cig models though while the debate and fight with the FDA rages on...

on a side note... this article is where I got a lot of insight on securitization of tobacco settlements and tobacco bonds: Ten years later, tobacco deal going up in smoke - The Red Tape Chronicles - msnbc.com
(and I'm trying to find where I read it but there's at least one state where a huge cut of the taxes or the settlement went to the ALA for smoking prevention and cessation programs as well....so yeah if they succeed in stoping smoking like their misson statement goes they put themselves out of a job and a huge part of their revenue comes from people continuing to smoke....freaking hipocrites)

 

[Twist]

Big tobacco would make a killing with e-cigs because they already have the market share. A Marlboro smoker would rather buy a Marlboro branded e-cig then a Joye or Boge. They don't have to compete against tens of thousands of retailers, they just need to provide them with products to sell!

 

[Petrodus]

Twist wrote: Big tobacco would make a killing with e-cigs

Arthur Schopenhauer once said, “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” We’re coming to the stage where the E-cigarette is going to be accepted and promoted by the tobacco industry as the obvious way for all smokers to get their nicotine fix. All the arguments about E-cigarette safety will be quickly forgotten in the rush to make as much money as possible.

IF Big Tobacco jumps in with their line of E-cigarettes they will come on the scene like Super Man saving the day with their FDA approved PVs including several to choose from and a nifty accessory product line with logos.

The marketing campaign will be something to behold.

Unlike the additives in cigarettes...the additives in their liquid formula will be safe and pure.

Sleep well, America with the full knowledge the FDA would never allow products on the market that would be harmful.

Oh by the way, Yes there really is a Tooth Fairy.

If you haven't listened to the following interview (beyond part 1)...I highly recommend listing to the entire interview.

For the benefit of those who didn't listen to part 2
I GUARANTEE part 2 will "Drop Jaws
Click Here (part 2)

Sometimes there isn't a "short story"
Today the hit meter on part 1 is 1551 - part 2 is 901 - (Final) part 11 is 298

Sometimes the truth is more than we want to hear
Secrets of the FDA: Suppressed Information
Drug Industry, FDA and Health Issues
Jonathan W. Emord
Only attorney in history who has defeated the FDA 7 times
6 times on First Amendment grounds
Click Here starting with (part 1)

 

[unrefinedcrewless]

great insight, thank you OP

 

[Willriker]

Arthur Schopenhauer once said, “All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” We’re coming to the stage where the E-cigarette is going to be accepted and promoted by the tobacco industry as the obvious way for all smokers to get their nicotine fix. All the arguments about E-cigarette safety will be quickly forgotten in the rush to make as much money as possible.

IF Big Tobacco jumps in with their line of E-cigarettes they will come on the scene like Super Man saving the day with their FDA approved PVs including several to choose from and a nifty accessory product line with logos.

The marketing campaign will be something to behold.

Unlike the additives in cigarettes...the additives in their liquid formula will be safe and pure.

Sleep well, America with the full knowledge the FDA would never allow products on the market that would be harmful.

Oh by the way, Yes there really is a Tooth Fairy.

If you haven't listened to the following interview (beyond part 1)...I highly recommend listing to the entire interview.

For the benefit of those who didn't listen to part 2
I GUARANTEE part 2 will "Drop Jaws
Click Here (part 2)

Sometimes the truth is more than we want to hear
Secrets of the FDA: Suppressed Information
Drug Industry, FDA and Health Issues
Jonathan W. Emord
Only attorney in history who has defeated the FDA 7 times
6 times on First Amendment grounds
Click Here starting with (part 1)

Didnt htey already try an e-cig? I seem to remember them doing so and it failed horribly.

 

[alovingmommyof3]

I wonder if the litlle e-cig companies will be put out of business by bp if bp sells e-cigs. If not, will the prices sky rocket? With regulations, prices increase (at least I have heard). Someone mentioned an illegal black market item. If it were legal and regulated the prices would probably shoot so high that users would wish it were still illegal.

 

[alovingmommyof3]

This is only one example of what is wrong with this country. Until the public stands up to the politicians nothing will change. I hope everyone remembers this come next Tuesday and votes. If the newly elected don't follow the will of the people, then vote them out and try someone else. I know there are plenty of people out there who have common sense. We just need to find them.

The Harvard homeboys should not control our lives.

I have said this over and over again and I think I got blue in the face from it. Why do we sit and compain and do so little? There has to be a way to turn things around.

 

[Petrodus]

I'm going to make a prediction:
The FDA is not going to ban E-cigarettes
Petrodus Oct 29, 2010

Money, not morality, is the principle commerce of civilized nations.
Thomas Jefferson

 

[Drozd]

Didnt htey already try an e-cig? I seem to remember them doing so and it failed horribly.

they've tried several different incarnations...
some super expensive and failing like the heatbar and the accord from philip morris (Heatbar - Tobacco Products , Accord - Tobacco Products )
amd the premier (1988) and eclipse from R.J. Renolds ( Premier Lights - Tobacco Products, Eclipse - Tobacco Products )

the common element in all of them being that they just heated processed tobacco.... none of them using a nicotine solution


now it seems like they're copying parts of the design elements from what we're currently using...like making sealed disposeables so they can't be refilled etc.. liquid nicotine solutions...

so yeah they've been working on it since the late 80s and spending a lot of money for R&D .... there's no doubt they're trying to get in this game....I just think it's a waiting game til the FDA thing settles down and til they have a product that isn't user refillable to maximize profits...

 

[Drozd]

Didnt htey already try an e-cig? I seem to remember them doing so and it failed horribly.

they've tried several different incarnations...
some super expensive and failing like the heatbar and the accord from philip morris (Heatbar - Tobacco Products , Accord - Tobacco Products )
amd the premier (1988) and eclipse from R.J. Renolds ( Premier Lights - Tobacco Products, Eclipse - Tobacco Products )

the common element in all of them being that they just heated processed tobacco.... none of them using a nicotine solution


now it seems like they're copying parts of the design elements from what we're currently using...like making sealed disposeables so they can't be refilled etc.. liquid nicotine solutions...

so yeah they've been working on it since the late 80s and spending a lot of money for R&D .... there's no doubt they're trying to get in this game....I just think it's a waiting game til the FDA thing settles down and til they have a product that isn't user refillable to maximize profits...