REO vs KFL+

[Sloth Tonight]

Hello people! I realize the KFL+ and REO are totally different beasts. Here is my question but I'll preface by saying my intention either way is to get a REO at some point soon, and my intention either way is to also get my KFL+ working well soon.

I upgraded from rebuilt PT heads to the KFL+ a few days ago. First tank was the best vape I've ever had. Since then I mostly wind up with lots of nasty tasting dry hits--not burnt, dry. No burns on the cotton at all. I think it's an airflow thing. At any rate I've so far not been able to get it right, except *maybe* the current tank, just re-did all but the coil and so far so good but too soon to tell. Anyway, unimportant.

What I want to know: it seems theoretically like the REO would be much easier than this. It seems like less gymnastics are involved in avoiding this kind of frustration. Am I right? I think I'm pretty decent at building coils (especially on the KFL vs Protank 2) and getting better with wicking but not awesome yet. But tanks are a hassle to get the airflow right, make sure everything is tight but not too tight, etc etc etc and dry hit dry hit ugh.

REOs seem like they would be much easier in this sense. Is this true in your experiences? If so I may just go ahead and order one Friday (payday) - intent so far being a REO Grand LP, and Reomizer LP. Maybe a repair kit etc. Id rather hold off for a month or so to continue enjoying my current set up - if I can, haha, and save up money so I'm not over budget during the pay period. (wouldn't be bad, just not ideal)

 

[Mark Howard]

Both great, but Reo wins since it doesn't flood, can be refilled without a screwdriver, and way more customizable with atty & airflow options.

 

[SoftSell]

I have both. When my KFL+ worked, it worked great. Then came the dry hits and leaks. It's collecting a thick layer of dust since I got my reo grand lp, I'm a big preacher of the reo since I got mine.
If you can build on a KFL you can build on a reo. Flavour and clouds are both there, with no leaks, and if you dry hit, just squeeze the bottle "squonk" and you're good to go.

 

[REDFISHIN]

I just got my first REO, but before that I had been using a Provari and KFL+ tanks for a while. I would get great flavor and results for the first tank on my kayfun, but running a 2nd tankful through it was a crap shoot. I got to the point where I would tear the kayfuns down after every tank to keep it running well. I am no expert with the REO yet, but yes, it is much easier than even the kayfun. If you are building a kayfun you will have no problems with the REO. The best thing is, if the wick or coil get gunked up, you don't have to drain the tank and disassemble several parts. And I think the flavor is better in the REO than even the kayfun.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

I have both. When my KFL+ worked, it worked great. Then came the dry hits and leaks. It's collecting a thick layer of dust since I got my reo grand lp, I'm a big preacher of the reo since I got mine.
If you can build on a KFL you can build on a reo. Flavour and clouds are both there, with no leaks, and if you dry hit, just squeeze the bottle "squonk" and you're good to go.

See this is what entices me so much. With the KFL, the dry hits are a nightmare. If I could squeeze the dang thing to fix it that would rock. Having to do primer puffs to get ONE or TWO non ugly hits is ridiculous. I imagine getting the right amount of cotton on the REO is less of a hassle, too, as that *may* be but probably is not my problem on the KFL. I think the thing just hates me.

 

[doots]

LIke you said they are both different. I enjoy both.. If i had to have just one it would be a no brainer. REO all the way with the RM2 on top.

That said I use the Kayfun mini on one of my REOS and love it.. I go back and forth with both daily..

 

[REDFISHIN]

See this is what entices me so much. With the KFL, the dry hits are a nightmare. If I could squeeze the dang thing to fix it that would rock. Having to do primer puffs to get ONE or TWO non ugly hits is ridiculous. I imagine getting the right amount of cotton on the REO is less of a hassle, too, as that *may* be but probably is not my problem on the KFL. I think the thing just hates me.

I guess I am lucky, have not really had an issue with leaking in my KFL+, but I did always take several primer puffs every 2 hits or so, otherwise it was dry hit city all the way. With the REO if I get a dry hit, its my own dang fault for not squonking properly.

 

[ed101z]

Sloth, I wouldn't waste any more time and money. Just get a LP Reo Grand, AW IMR 18650 1600mah batteries, and your choice of RBA to put on it (RM2, RM3 RM4, RM5, IGO, Cyclone, and etc). Make your coils for your desired ohm. Mount it. Strand some KGD Cotton or CelluCotton through it. Fill it up, and you're on your way to the best vaping experience you've ever had.

I'm in the same boat. I've wasted so much money on AGA-T2's, RSST's, Mesh, and other crap. All of which are collecting dust. I could've had a Reo Grand by now. I've decided that I'm never messing with all the other stuff again. I'm getting the Reo Grand and never looking back.

 

[SoftSell]

This thread is right up my alley.
I got so sick of my nautilus so I started on mechs with rda's. Great. Now I'm driving, what do I do? Oh got a Kraken, and an AGA-T4. These are great! Oh, it has to be vertical 90% of the time. I almost gave up on vaping. Almost.
Ordered up a Grand Lp with Reomizer 4, and about 2 days after I received it, I'm looking at a second one, along with more rbas..... Ok my bank says maybe just a Rm2.... Ok maybe a SL door... I could probably squeeze in an aluminum button cover..... Aaaaand my money is gone.

 

[unsure]

Aesthetics aside, a REO is extremely dependable and hassle free. All 3 is what I love and need in PV. Of course there are other things in it's favor like the better class of people who own them.

 

[MattyRetro]

The above stories are usually the norm around here. Wasting all kinds of money and time on hardware that works with varying results. Then a REO comes into the fold and BAM!, where have you been all my life REO?? It's happened to me. I've sold off most of my hardware since getting a REO. I'm now up to 3 REOS and not looking back. If I knew I could give away some of my old hardware and it would get used instead of resold, Id just PIF it and forget all about it.

 

[ed101z]

Aesthetics aside, a REO is extremely dependable and hassle free. All 3 is what I love and need in PV. Of course there are other things in it's favor like the better class of people who own them.

^ Up there.
Don't listen to him. He's unsure.
Well, in this case. DO!

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Add me to the been-there/done-that KFL crew. It got be past clearos, as it married a bit of the dripping experience with the convenience of a (relatively) non-leaking tank. It was also better than gennies (IMHO).

I put up with its quirks, focusing instead on its merits rather than its dry hits, flooding problems and general PITA maintenance (burn a wick while out and about and you're basically screwed unless you have some cotton, a screwdriver, a storage bottle for juice, and a bunch of curse words at your disposal).

Then came the Reo and the whole KFL phase of my vaping life is a hazy memory. It's easier to build and maintain, is nigh indestructible, and delivers performance that the KFL promised but never delivered, let alone consistently.

No. contest. whatsoever.

 

[Jugband]

Before the Reo I tried everything! I was happy for a short time with the KFL. I have to admit it did vape well, when you finally had it up and running correctly. My problems were, if it encountered a problem after it was loaded, it was a chore to fix. And after it was empty it just took to much time to break down, clean and refill. And there were times I couldn't get that thing unscrewed! Parts would just lock together. I either had to run it under hot water, or remember to lube the threads with PG when I put it back together. For me, just to much hassel. I finally ordered a Reo. All my problems were solved! Nothing touches it! And the ease of use with it, just doesn't get any easier. I've since bought three more Reo's, given away the KFL, along with about everything else. Don't need them now

 

[rudy4653]

BMW or Jetta?

 

[mackman]

All of the above is excellent information. Check out this link for a cornucopia of info http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/270331-free-reo-forum-thread-index.html.
We have all been there done that and more likely than not keep adding to the Reo "collection". They are that good!!

 

[tmel]

I really don't think you can get any less hassle free then a Reo and an RM2 + unflavored nic.

Out of curiousity, I built my standard 24G coil around a 3/32 bit, 5 wraps for 0.5 ohms. I used KGD cotton and unflavored 12mg 50/50. I was able to vape all day every day for 2 weeks straight before the flavor changed and I had to change the cotton. I literally just screwed a new bottle in every morning and swapped batteries.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Wow, you guys are more than convincing. I *hate* the dry hits, and prime puffs, all that garbage. Never had to deal with that garbage with cigarettes. Know what I mean? PITA--completely. My rebuilt PT2s are fine, consistent, no problems whatsoever but after the KFL+ it's difficult to enjoy them as much--because when the KFL works, the increased flavor and vapor production is astounding (over the PT). So I'm fine with Pts and will continue trying the KFL but if a REO really is that much easier, less hassle, etc it's worth the money. It would save me hours--HOURS--of frustration. Already spent hours. The KFL is superb--when it works. I don't consider having to plug the air hole and prime puff every 2 hits working though.

Tomorrow's pay day. Ok, to get set up - LP Reo Grand, where can I get the proper batteries? And is the RM2 what I get or the LP RM? What else should I get -- can other things reasonably hold off til next paycheck?

 

[rudy4653]

Wow, you guys are more than convincing. I *hate* the dry hits, and prime puffs, all that garbage. Never had to deal with that garbage with cigarettes. Know what I mean? PITA--completely. My rebuilt PT2s are fine, consistent, no problems whatsoever but after the KFL+ it's difficult to enjoy them as much--because when the KFL works, the increased flavor and vapor production is astounding (over the PT). So I'm fine with Pts and will continue trying the KFL but if a REO really is that much easier, less hassle, etc it's worth the money. It would save me hours--HOURS--of frustration. Already spent hours. The KFL is superb--when it works. I don't consider having to plug the air hole and prime puff every 2 hits working though.

Tomorrow's pay day. Ok, to get set up - LP Reo Grand, where can I get the proper batteries? And is the RM2 what I get or the LP RM? What else should I get -- can other things reasonably hold off til next paycheck?

LP RM2
RTD vapors for batteries, ohm meter, wire etc.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Thanks Rudy! I didn't see anything called LP RM2 on the website, think all I saw was LP RM...may have been out of stock. I'll check again