Requesting your opinion about "gifting" REOSMODS.

[MamaTried]

I really like the offer to "buy back" or offer him a cheaper alternative. A REO improperly utilized seems like a waste to me.

Also, his significant other suggested that PG or VG might be harmful to his health and perhaps total cessation is best. Accordingly, he probably can't vape everywhere at home, near her, etc. Don't even bother to respond to this one...frustrating.

Also, does it really take some people weeks and weeks to completely stop? My experience was that I wanted to quit analogs, had a working alternative and just did it. My bro RIP did the same. Perhaps I'm on a high horse and having too high of expectations.

i'd be willing to lay you good odds that weeks, or months or even years is far more common than the lucky ones who just quit right away...

 

[Justice]

It took me a whole year to get totally off the stinkies with my Reo and and ego t before that give it some time miracles dont always happen overnight

 

[TheAngryBovine]

I've been vaping for a year now and yet I still smoke cigarettes. Granted, it's much less than when I started (thanks, Rob), but for some of us it's not an easy, instantaneous switch.

 

[Justice]

Oh and every cig not smoked because of vaping is a gift. You may just need to accept the gift you have given this person of smoking less

 

[MamaTried]

i'd be willing to lay you good odds that weeks, or months or even years is far more common than the lucky ones who just quit right away...

It took me a whole year to get totally off the stinkies with my Reo and and ego t before that give it some time miracles dont always happen overnight

I've been vaping for a year now and yet I still smoke cigarettes. Granted, it's much less than when I started (thanks, Rob), but for some of us it's not an easy, instantaneous switch.

i was thinking about laying 10/1 odds... now i'm thinking maybe 20/1?


seriously, anyone who quit ciggies in less than a few weeks are rare...

 

[Vapeaddikt]

So as I said about a month ago in this forum, I purchased two REO Minis for employees of mine (and all of the accessories/juice/etc) to gift them in aiding them to quit smoking cigarettes. All I asked is that they try (on my dime) and give the units back to be re-gifted if they didn't work out.

One user just never got off the ground. I wasn't there to coach her, and she ashamedly returned the unit. I felt bad, but gladly re-gifted to Friend RIP(more about him later on).

Employee #2 loves vaping. Unfortunately he still smokes and I'm kind of torn on him still doing both. With me (and others I know), outside pressure didn't help, rather encouragement did. I don't want to force a take-back, but I have another person that I know could benefit from this unit. Your thoughts about a take back?

"Rip", my best friend and schoolteacher was a HARDCORE smoker (like me). He tried my reclaimed mini at my home, and took it back with him, only to pull off a weekend cessation. He's 9 or 10 days pure vaping now and LOVES not having to sneak off campus or fiend for nicotine. I was so happy when he told me that his REO made it "seamless" to transition. He just bought his wife one to make the full family REOS conversion.

So I hired a new guy, and found out later that he was a smoker (he's 2 offices away from mine) and urgh, I smell his stale stench every day. I'm training him so we're face to face a LOT (yuck the smell). As I have 3 REOS, I loaned him one while we were driving together for 5 hours yesterday. He pulled it off, loved it and didn't smoke. I'm VERY inclined to call Robert and buy my new guy a unit. Heck, it can't hurt to have a stash of REOS in the back pocket to convert the smelly smokers!

Back to Employee #2 - should I pull a ".... or get off the pot" with him lest I take back or give it more time (we're 3+ weeks in now).

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Rich

Your a very nice employer.

Here's my take.

I'm guessing you've hired the people you have for good reason. This being said to me a gift is a gift. I wouldn't take it back but simply ask him in as nice a way as possible at the right time why it is that he still smokes even with the REO having him try a stronger Nic% juice. For some the transition off of analogs takes longer than others. The question is does he even really want to quit the analogs or is he simply loving the REO and just wanting to do both? Based on your statement I'd guess the latter. I know you gave it to him to assist him in quitting smoking. The question is does he? Were you clear in your reasoning for giving him the REO? If so that would be a different topic.

 

[Matthee]

Thanks guys - yeah, I'm not so inclined to take away and leave the guy in analog hell. Heck, even cutting down and using the REO as a harm mitigator is cool and lessens the stench in my business. My offices looks pretty cool with vape coming from multiple offices! I just don't know how to encourage someone to make the "full leap" off of analogs. I made my mind up, had the right tool and just did it. I know its not easy, but then again, my bro Rip just did it. Frustrating! Guess I'll call Rob to restock and keep pushing REOS Mods. That is until "big tobacco" puts a price on my head.

IMHO - Follow your instincts as set out above. A talk as Minigoat suggested could not harm, especially if you follow Feisty Alice's excellent advice on how to go about it.

I would have to talk with #2 and get a little more info. For example maybe the juice isn't a good fit, maybe it isn't high enough mg to satisfy the urge? Or it could be that they just aren't ready. It could be something simple.

Could be after talking they might want to give it back or instead make more of an effort to quit the stinkies.

My DH still smoked some for first year and more vaping, using the best, a REO. The smokes went from a pack a week to a pack a month over a years time. All I could do was give him any support he needed vaping. Nagging and being judgmental was no help at all. After a time he just didn't buy any stinkies any more. If you can be supportive without judgement and encourage him in gentle ways my suggestion is to let him keep the REO and to use only gentle guidance. Just remember, "It's not how many stinkies you smoke but how many you don't smoke." You are one really fine person for doing what you are doing. We cheer you.

PS: You're not thinking of expanding this way by any chance!!!

 

[nerak]

Wanting to quit smoking is a vital part of the mindset. I know when I did NOT want to quit and tried because I was asked, it drove me insane! I was frustrated, and angry. I do not think even vaping would have helped me quit back then.

Your employees might see your suggestion to try vaping as another attempt by someone that looks down on smokers to get them to stop. It might make the whole vaping thing a negative for them from the start.

That being said I don't think any PV or e-cig will get them to quit.

Gifting a REO to try vaping is a noble gesture. The REO does give them the tool they need "if" they really want to stop smoking.

You said:

All I asked is that they try (on my dime) and give the units back to be re-gifted if they didn't work out.

That allows you to step in and request the REO and equipment be returned.

Putting a REO in their hand gives them a trial period of vaping. If they are inclined to quit they have the best chance. I would set a time frame for the trial period. By then you will be able to tell if they are really trying to quit or just supplementing their smoking with vaping.

Also the nicotine level of the juice is very important. Some may get enough with 18-24mg, others need 30-36. I know 36mg did it for me. Any less and I was not happy. Questioning the trial vaper about their satisfaction of a vaping session is vital. Monitoring the cessation of craving a cig is an important part of quitting.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor for a vaping only workforce.

 

[moondragon]

First, this is a wonderful thing you are doing for your employees! It took me about 6 weeks after I started vaping to finally quit smoking altogether, although I had cut back dramatically the first few weeks. It could be the nic level and/or the flavor that might not quite be right. It could also be that he's not quite ready to quit - that he didn't come to that decision on his own, first. I set my husband up with a starter kit, and though he said he likes it, he still smokes more than he vapes, and he insists on wanting nothing except cig-alikes, even though he has tried my egos and my Reo and agrees that they vape really nice.

It's a difficult situation you have. You might talk with him about the nic level, how much he's cut back (or not) and if the form factor is an issue - perhaps he doesn't feel comfortable with it. Then you'll just have to use your best judgement.

 

[malkuth]

I really like the offer to "buy back" or offer him a cheaper alternative. A REO improperly utilized seems like a waste to me.

Also, his significant other suggested that PG or VG might be harmful to his health and perhaps total cessation is best. Accordingly, he probably can't vape everywhere at home, near her, etc. Don't even bother to respond to this one...frustrating.

Also, does it really take some people weeks and weeks to completely stop? My experience was that I wanted to quit analogs, had a working alternative and just did it. My bro RIP did the same. Perhaps I'm on a high horse and having too high of expectations.

Your a very nice employer.

Here's my take.

I'm guessing you've hired the people you have for good reason. This being said to me a gift is a gift. I wouldn't take it back but simply ask him in as nice a way as possible at the right time why it is that he still smokes even with the REO having him try a stronger Nic% juice. For some the transition off of analogs takes longer than others. The question is does he even really want to quit the analogs or is he simply loving the REO and just wanting to do both? Based on your statement I'd guess the latter. I know you gave it to him to assist him in quitting smoking. The question is does he? Were you clear in your reasoning for giving him the REO? If so that would be a different topic.

First, this is a wonderful thing you are doing for your employees! It took me about 6 weeks after I started vaping to finally quit smoking altogether, although I had cut back dramatically the first few weeks. It could be the nic level and/or the flavor that might not quite be right. It could also be that he's not quite ready to quit - that he didn't come to that decision on his own, first. I set my husband up with a starter kit, and though he said he likes it, he still smokes more than he vapes, and he insists on wanting nothing except cig-alikes, even though he has tried my egos and my Reo and agrees that they vape really nice.

It's a difficult situation you have. You might talk with him about the nic level, how much he's cut back (or not) and if the form factor is an issue - perhaps he doesn't feel comfortable with it. Then you'll just have to use your best judgement.

I continued to smoke analogs for about a year after starting up with vaping. Part of it was not having the correct equipment. Part of it was not having the correct juice. (In my case, I could not and still cannot handle any nic level greater than 12, and that is pushing it.) It tears my stomach up. When I went to bottom feeding, it became a stubbornness type of thing with me. I refused to smoke analogs. I have been analog free for over 3 months now, but still have a desire for one every now and again. I still refuse to give in. The final part of not getting off analogs was I did not want to. After 45+ years of analogs, it was a real part of me. Vaping allowed me to at least overcome that (character flaw) part of me.

I work remotely, so am very familiar with it, if you need another employee.

 

[Vapolith]

I think all employers should follow your example.

 

[Rhapsodies Fire]

What a great gift you are providing...We've done something similar with family members and friends (we have no employees). We loan them a Reo for a set period of time (usually a couple months). When that time is up, they can buy their own...or buy something else if that's what they want. I always ask for my Reos back... I need to have them available for the next person who shows an interest. Only one of our family members has actually made the switch...the rest just aren't ready to consider anything else but smokes. Our friends however, have been much more successful. You win some, you lose some. I'm just happy that they know they have options available should they chose to make the effort at some point. I agree...a conversation needs to be had....but 3 weeks may not be enough time. In the end, if you just plant the seed that vaping is a viable option, you've done them a great service, even if they don't see it right away. I wish you much success!