Reviving riva batteries

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Currently have two Riva batteries that have stopped working as vaping batteries. These are manual button batteries, 510 connections, said to be 750 mah. These particular bats were purchased from Liberty-Flights in a lite bundle kit. At threaded end of batt "RIVA" is etched into a gold colored metal. The band at the button is also gold colored. While working these batts performed well IMO in that the Rivas as compared to Joye eGos (rated at 650 mah) produced a noticeably different and much better vape. (Upon testing with a Fluke 11 Multimeter, the Rivas showed an unloaded reading just off charger of 4.22 volts whereas the Joye eGo showed 3.44. When tested loaded with a 2.5 ohm atomizier the numbers were 3.81 volts for the Riva and 3.23 volts for the Joye eGo. That is, just off charger, the Rivas where providing 39% more wattage that the Joye eGos.)

In ordinary operation when the batt reached its cut-off voltage (at an unloaded voltage about the same voltage as the Joye eGo unloaded voltage just off charger), the button would blink multiple times (possibly 5 times but perhaps a bit more that 5 times) and then go off. After such blinking, depressing button does nothing in terms of lighting the LED at the button, whether with load or without. Then, placing the batt on the charger and plugging into a power source causes the batt to blink again multiple times (probably 5 times) and go off. But, normally after the blinking the charger turns red indicating charging is taking place.

At some point one of the "stopped" batts did the following: After usage to cut-off the batt blinked multiple times. (Indicating cut-off had been reached.) However, when placed on the charger the ordinary blinking at start of charging did not occur and the charger stayed green. Notwithstanding the green at charger, left the batt plugged in for hours. Upon removing the batt from the charger the following occurs: Depressing button with no load seems to do nothing - no lit LED. However, reading voltage without button depressed gives a read of 3.725 volts. Depressing buttons does not change meter reading. Putting a load on the battery will at times (but not always) cause the LED to blink 3 times as contact is made. With load in place, depressing button causes the LED to blink 3 times - then off. Depress again - blinks three times then off. Then, removing load causes LED to blink at more rapid rate (maybe 5 times) when contact with load broken. Once load if fully removed, depressing button produces no lit LED. Shorting the positive and negative of batt with one of probes of multimeter causes LED to blink rapidly (like when load of an atty is removed).

Second stopped batt - a little different than first. Button on lighting LED unloaded, nothing, as first. Voltage measured unloaded as 3.222 volts. Putting load on batt - nothing lighting at LED. Depress button with load on - LED blinks at the less rapid but for maybe 30 blinks. Once 30 or so blinks done - depressing button does nothing. Removing load causes 3 blinks from LED. Once, unloading blinking finished - nothing from depress of button. Shorting + and - with probe - 5 blinks then off - even if short stays in place.

Any ideas on causes of "stop" or ideas on how the Rivas might be revived?
 

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Did you try pulling up the battery connector in the center to make sure it made contact while charging? If so, it might be the on button is bad and I have no idea how to fix that. But I can help keep your post on top until someone who might know comes along. :) How long have you had them?

Lamb - Maybe you got it. Pulled post up a bit on one and when placed in charger got the red light. No blink at batt - but red at charger. That is different. Concerning the time question - had them a good little while but can't give exact. Probably on order of 5 or 6 months. Not a bad life but just looking for a bit more. But having two down has forced me to use Joye eGos that I have more - which makes me appreciate those Rivas more.
 

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    I'd be happy w/ that result. I have 4 I've been using since Feb., and one got extremely hot on me yesterday and had to be run out to the trashcan. I'd be happy if they just died like yours did.

    My other 3- on one the button doesn't work well so it's my backup. I use 3 a day w/ Bogelr's. My original 2 have extremely worn down buttons,lol.

    I'm happy w/ 5mths on a 7$ battery. I just ordered 2 more from LF.
     

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    I'd be happy w/ that result. I have 4 I've been using since Feb., and one got extremely hot on me yesterday and had to be run out to the trashcan. I'd be happy if they just died like yours did.

    My other 3- on one the button doesn't work well so it's my backup. I use 3 a day w/ Bogelr's. My original 2 have extremely worn down buttons,lol.

    I'm happy w/ 5mths on a 7$ battery. I just ordered 2 more from LF.

    Actually I am pretty satisfied with the Riva batts. But all these mystery codes (i.e. 30 blinks, 5 blinks, 3 blinks, 5 rapid blinks, etc.) intrigue me. Maybe one of those codes is - be happy with what you got, buy another one you cheapskate.
     

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    I had some of those symptoms with a Riva batt recently... first one was when it was sending power out without the button pushed. I had a cartomizer on it and it was in my hand both times, and I had to unscrew it real quick. First time, I thought I was accidentally pushing the button, though the way I was holding it I couldn't see how. Second time, I was sure I wasn't touching the button. Later it started blinking at me randomly occasionally. Then it would go straight to green light on the charger, even though it seemed to be totally out of power. Like you, I let it charge anyway. I think I got it to work a little bit more at one point. But, it finally totally died - no blinking, no lights. Luckily it was still under warranty, and LF was great about replacing it right away.
     

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    One of my 5 month old Rivas died a couple of days ago. Actually, it was killed be a faulty DC carto. The DC mysteriously quit working while on a freshly charged 14500 mod battery. Thinking it may have been a bad 14500 I put it on the Riva and 'poof'. No light when the button is depressed, and no light at all on the charger. The mod and battery still work, but the Riva is gone. I'm thinking the DC burned out the switch.
     

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    I hate to say anything against the dc's, but when I had them on I had weird blinking light problems, and that one was the one that went "HOT" on me yesterday and had to be trashed.

    I stopped using them a few weeks ago because of this and the performance was the same as my Boges'., just held more juice.

    I'll go back to DC's when I get a regulated 3.7 or higher.
     

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    Tiny and r77 - It just may be that DCs cause too much current for Riva board to handle. DCs are, what 1.5 ohms. Rivas just off charger, unloaded is 4.2 volts. Perhaps a load of 1.5 would drop voltage to 3.75 range. 3.75 divided by 1.5 is 2.5. That is, 2.5 amps. Fairly sizable number. Maybe just too much. Joye eGo, a PWM batt, would still mean amps in the 2.15 range. Still, pretty high.
     

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    Lamb - Maybe you got it. Pulled post up a bit on one and when placed in charger got the red light. No blink at batt - but red at charger. That is different. Concerning the time question - had them a good little while but can't give exact. Probably on order of 5 or 6 months. Not a bad life but just looking for a bit more. But having two down has forced me to use Joye eGos that I have more - which makes me appreciate those Rivas more.

    OK. Batt charged until green at charger. Tested voltage. Had gone up from ~3.2 to ~3.7. 3.7 is not typical of Riva. Usually 4.2. But - still nothing when button depressed. But when I short + to -, get the 3 blink code. It is seeming as if the 3 blinks may relate to cheapskate. 30 blinks is probably a really irritated batt expressing profound displeasure with cheapskates.
     

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    I'd be happy w/ that result. I have 4 I've been using since Feb., and one got extremely hot on me yesterday and had to be run out to the trashcan. I'd be happy if they just died like yours did.

    My other 3- on one the button doesn't work well so it's my backup. I use 3 a day w/ Bogelr's. My original 2 have extremely worn down buttons,lol.

    I'm happy w/ 5mths on a 7$ battery. I just ordered 2 more from LF.

    Is 7$ just typo error. If not an error - how does one get that price from LF?
     

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    Wow...this is not good news at all. I've been thinking it was my charger that was the issue. I have 2 Riva 650s and 2 1100s - each less than 45 days old and I'm having charging issues. I purchased one from LF and one from Nhaler. I got a charger w/ea of the kits so have 2 and I'm assuming they are the same? I have an external usb hub 7 slot - so I bypass comp and plug it directly into outlet - it's worked perfectly for nearly 90 days. So, since one charger is slightly newer - I thought was perhaps the usb hub - took out the wall charger and used it - strangely it worked - but I'm now seeing signs of random blinking lights :( You would think a batt would last longer than 45 days......
     

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    Based on what I have read from suppliers/manufactures, batts ought to last through at least 300 re-charges. Can't imagine you had anywhere close to 300 e-charges in 45 days.

    Nope..and to top it off BOTH vendors - really sent me emails that in essence said to bad so sad for you - outside our 14 day warranty period. WTH is that??!! Well, THAT is there goes my business :D I sat and cleaned everything last night. We shall see - but I'm starting to see a common theme with batts that run in the lower priced categories. I also just ordered a variable volt pass-thru (Ego) which is detachable. Looks really cool...then I found out I purchased it within 24 hours of being available...you KNOW that has problems written all over it. :D I'm getting really close to just takin the plunge and spending the big bux and getting it over with so I can hop off this merry go round.
     

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    Wow...this is not good news at all. I've been thinking it was my charger that was the issue. I have 2 Riva 650s and 2 1100s - each less than 45 days old and I'm having charging issues. I purchased one from LF and one from Nhaler. I got a charger w/ea of the kits so have 2 and I'm assuming they are the same? I have an external usb hub 7 slot - so I bypass comp and plug it directly into outlet - it's worked perfectly for nearly 90 days. So, since one charger is slightly newer - I thought was perhaps the usb hub - took out the wall charger and used it - strangely it worked - but I'm now seeing signs of random blinking lights :( You would think a batt would last longer than 45 days......

    In your case it does sound like the center post is a little low, you can work it up just a bit and it will make better contact. I have had issues just like this from poor connections both on the charger and the cartos. The only issue I have had with the Rivas came from me screwing them down too tight on the charger and pushing the center post in. Once I figured that out they have worked great.
     

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    Nope..and to top it off BOTH vendors - really sent me emails that in essence said to bad so sad for you - outside our 14 day warranty period. WTH is that??!! Well, THAT is there goes my business :D I sat and cleaned everything last night. We shall see - but I'm starting to see a common theme with batts that run in the lower priced categories. I also just ordered a variable volt pass-thru (Ego) which is detachable. Looks really cool...then I found out I purchased it within 24 hours of being available...you KNOW that has problems written all over it. :D I'm getting really close to just takin the plunge and spending the big bux and getting it over with so I can hop off this merry go round.

    Liberty-Flights guarantees both Joye eGo batts and Riva 510 batts for 2 months. This extracted from their web site.
    Liberty Flights guarantees Riva batteries for 2 months. PLEASE SEE OUR TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

    Maybe you're buying from wrong vendor. Riva 510 (650 mAh) batt from LF - 10.39, Joye eGo (650 mAh) batt from LF - 15.59.
     
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