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In the uk "Veto" is absolute. If any ban or ridiculous regulation is chosen by those that vote then it would be a perfect example of a breakdown of democracy.They have to go through the motions, that's their job. That's when a veto will come into action. Where the needs of the many will be outweighed by the needs of the few. Any bans will be instantly vetoed.
Veto doesn't work like this in the usa i am sorry to say.
I love England. Just so very sensible here !.We can just hit the override button.....I love it !. Because sometimes democracy doesn't work does it !.
Veto doesn't work like this in the usa i am sorry to say.
I love England. Just so very sensible here !.We can just hit the override button.....I love it !. Because sometimes democracy doesn't work does it !.
A veto can be absolute, as for instance in the United Nations Security Council, whose permanent members (China, France, Russia, United Kingdom, United States of America) can block any resolution. Or it can be limited, as in the legislative process of the United States, where a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate may override a Presidential veto of legislation. A veto only gives power to stop changes, not to adopt them (except for the rare "amendatory veto"). Thus a veto allows its holder to protect the status quo.
I got word from some vendors in Romania that they are currently forming a trade alliance, so hope isn't completely lost over here. They're telling a different story, though. They say that the biggest problem for them is the pharmaceutical companies rather than big tobacco.
Yes MG, this has been the problem for the last two years.
Originally the tobacco companies made the most noise, then they realised ecigs were not going to go away, and even if laws were passed to ban ecigs in order to protect tobacco and pharma, the black market would just take over. So, as they have many ways to get into this market at the same time as cigarette sales fall, they became quiet while they planned their strategy. Then they started to develop their own ecigs or buy up large ecig firms. Now the tobacco companies are split in two: some who will cooperate with other ecig vendors for a time, and some who are trying to remove competitors already by supporting legislation that will remove anyone except tobacco companies.
However the pharmaceutical industry have nowhere to go except fight. E-cigarettes will cost them tens of $$billions as ecigs start to cut into their income channels. Eventually they will face a 50% cut in income for anything smoking-related, and that is a massive income channel for them (mainly for the drugs used to treat sick smokers such as chemotherapy and cardiac drugs).
So most of the opposition the ecigs today is funded by pharma. They use the tobacco control industry in order to block ecigs in order to protect cigarette sales in order to keep sickness levels up. It's that or lose $100bn a year eventually, and they certainly aren't going to allow that without a fight.
Originally the tobacco companies made the most noise, then they realised ecigs were not going to go away, and even if laws were passed to ban ecigs in order to protect tobacco and pharma, the black market would just take over. So, as they have many ways to get into this market at the same time as cigarette sales fall, they became quiet while they planned their strategy. Then they started to develop their own ecigs or buy up large ecig firms. Now the tobacco companies are split in two: some who will cooperate with other ecig vendors for a time, and some who are trying to remove competitors already by supporting legislation that will remove anyone except tobacco companies.
However the pharmaceutical industry have nowhere to go except fight. E-cigarettes will cost them tens of $$billions as ecigs start to cut into their income channels. Eventually they will face a 50% cut in income for anything smoking-related, and that is a massive income channel for them (mainly for the drugs used to treat sick smokers such as chemotherapy and cardiac drugs).
So most of the opposition the ecigs today is funded by pharma. They use the tobacco control industry in order to block ecigs in order to protect cigarette sales in order to keep sickness levels up. It's that or lose $100bn a year eventually, and they certainly aren't going to allow that without a fight.
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