RSST Vs Kayfun: Difference?

[Jaymus]

I honestly cannot tell what the difference between the two of them are (kayfun vs RSST), other than how the coil is setup. With an RSST do I have to use a mesh wick? Or can I use something else? Another build question I had was, how do you make a coil with more ohms? I don't know if it depends on the wire that's used, but I like to vape at around 2-2.5 ohms. I've already got a multimeter picked out, but that's as far as I really know what to order so far, any recommendations on wicks would be awesome and very much appreciated.

I'm still a noob and I just got off work so I might be asking stupid questions. Thanks in advance, I may not be awake that much longer lol Third shift is a beast.

 

[xXxLEONIDASxXx]

The rsst and the kayfun are worlds apart. With the rsst the coil sits above the juice container and relies on a wick to carry juice, against gravity, to the coil. You dont have to use ss mesh...I've used cotton and silica and they are fine.

The kayfun is closer to what most of us know as clearomizers, but easier to rebuild and provides a better quality vape with adjustable airflow depending on the version of kayfun you get. The coil sits basically surrounded by juice which the wicks draw into the coil.

Here is a handy dandy coil building tool to help you with that...
Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

...and I feel your pain, I'm on third myself.

 

[retic1959]

I honestly cannot tell what the difference between the two of them are (Kayfun vs RSST), other than how the coil is setup. With an RSST do I have to use a mesh wick? Or can I use something else? Another build question I had was, how do you make a coil with more ohms? I don't know if it depends on the wire that's used, but I like to vape at around 2-2.5 ohms. I've already got a multimeter picked out, but that's as far as I really know what to order so far, any recommendations on wicks would be awesome and very much appreciated.

I'm still a noob and I just got off work so I might be asking stupid questions. Thanks in advance, I may not be awake that much longer lol Third shift is a beast.

That's a bunch of questions , in simplest terms the kayfun is bottom coiled where the rsst is top coiled the kayfun works off of a vacuum system the rsst depends on capillary action of the wick to get juice to the coil , and no you don't have to use mesh in the rsst . The kayfun is much better for out and about you can lay it on it's side without leaking , try that with an rsst and you'll lose your juice . Your resistance is determined by several factors , wire gauge , number of wraps and coil diameter , the higher the wire gauge the higher the resistance 32 has higher resistance than 30 and so on , more wraps equals more resistance , larger diameter equals more resistance . I use cotton balls for all my wicks in my kayfuns , you'd need cotton yarn or silica to wick an rsst if you don't want to use mesh or ceramic wicks . The RSST is great for at home use , if you need something that you can take anywhere , a kayfun is hard to beat . I suggest you do your research on coil building and battery safety before you jump into rebuilding .

 

[bcollier9253]

To increase ohms add more wraps. Wick with organic cotton, tiny amount, just enough cotton that you feel a very slight resistance when threading it trough the coil. 9 wraps of 30ga Kanthal on a 1/16 drill bit should get you close. I blogged a post by another member that will get you to a couple of threads on this discussion. The blog on my profile is under my avatar it is a blue digit 4.

 

[Jaymus]

I think I will go with a Kayfun after all. Once I'm comfortable with that, I'll step it up a little. One of the deciding factors being that I am often out an about, at work I'm moving nonstop. I'm not really home all that much anymore. Thanks a lot Bcollier for the blog link, I'll put it to great use! Retic: I planned on using it on my MVP2 for now, but a mech mod will be ordered pretty soon (just a couple more paychecks, yay!) I have read up on batteries, particularly every which way to prevent them from exploding, catching fire, unleashing the hounds, etc. Thanks as well to Leonidas, that site you linked just got the hell bookmarked out of it.

You guys are great, thanks for helping me along in the right direction!

One last question: Do I NEED a mech mod (I'd probably buy a kick with it) or can I go with a regulated mod, like a VAMO for example?

 

[rurwin]

If you are just getting into coil building, I'd say steer clear of the RSST and other genesis-style atomisers and go for the Kayfun Lite+. Coiling and wicking a genesis-style is another level of difficult above a Kayfun.

To increase resistance, you use more wire or you use thinner wire.
I would suggest using silica wick to begin with. That's fairly fool-proof. Once you're happy you can get that to work you can move on to micro-coils with cotton if you want.

Regarding multimeters, make sure that it is a good quality unit and it has at least a 200 ohm range if not a 20 ohm range. Some of them only go down to 2k ohms, and that won't give you enough digits to build coils. Otherwise a dedicated vaping resistance meter would be a cheaper investment. It wouldn't measure the voltage of your batteries or the resistance of coils before you wire them into the atomiser, both of which are handy but may not be worth the $50 you might pay for them.

 

[Jaymus]

If you are just getting into coil building, I'd say steer clear of the RSST and other genesis-style atomisers and go for the Kayfun Lite+. Coiling and wicking a genesis-style is another level of difficult above a Kayfun.

To increase resistance, you use more wire or you use thinner wire.
I would suggest using silica wick to begin with. That's fairly fool-proof. Once you're happy you can get that to work you can move on to micro-coils with cotton if you want.

Regarding multimeters, make sure that it is a good quality unit and it has at least a 200 ohm range if not a 20 ohm range. Some of them only go down to 2k ohms, and that won't give you enough digits to build coils. Otherwise a dedicated vaping resistance meter would be a cheaper investment. It wouldn't measure the voltage of your batteries or the resistance of coils before you wire them into the atomiser, both of which are handy but may not be worth the $50 you might pay for them.

Are there any in particular you would recommend in regard to a meter? I've never heard of a dedicated vaping resistance meter before, is that a special thing or just a certain type of multimeter?

 

[retic1959]

I think I will go with a Kayfun after all. Once I'm comfortable with that, I'll step it up a little. One of the deciding factors being that I am often out an about, at work I'm moving nonstop. I'm not really home all that much anymore. Thanks a lot Bcollier for the blog link, I'll put it to great use! Retic: I planned on using it on my MVP2 for now, but a mech mod will be ordered pretty soon (just a couple more paychecks, yay!) I have read up on batteries, particularly every which way to prevent them from exploding, catching fire, unleashing the hounds, etc. Thanks as well to Leonidas, that site you linked just got the hell bookmarked out of it.

You guys are great, thanks for helping me along in the right direction!

One last question: Do I NEED a mech mod (I'd probably buy a kick with it) or can I go with a regulated mod, like a VAMO for example?

To me there's no point in buying a mech if you're gonna kick it , subohm builds are where a mech shines , my sweet spot in my kayfuns is 1.5 - 1.7 ohms , subohm isn't necessary to get superb performance from a kayfun IMO , your MVP2 will work just fine with them , but another mod with higher capabilities won't hurt ,

 

[rurwin]

Resistance meters look something like this: Ohms -resistance meter rechargeable black – VipVapes Manchester UK
(I've never heard of that particular dealer; this is just to show you what to look for.)

The only reasons to get a mech mod:
1) They look nice
2) They're macho ( )
3) They can produce more power than almost any VV/VW device.
With a mech mod the only way to adjust the power is by changing the coil. The only way to get more power than a VV/VW device is to make coils below about 0.5 ohms, and mech mods do not protect you if you make mistakes. On the other hand you can make a nice safe 2.4 ohm coil and vape it at 15 or 20W with a VV/VW device. That's almost certainly enough to be getting on with for a while. As someone said, putting a kick in it just removes the chance to get more power.

 

[retic1959]

Are there any in particular you would recommend in regard to a meter? I've never heard of a dedicated vaping resistance meter before, is that a special thing or just a certain type of multimeter?

You already have a dedicated resistance meter in a way , your MVP2 has resistance check built in to it , to measure the resistance of a coil before you install it you need a multimeter , buy a multimeter before you even contemplate buying a mech , you can use your MVP2 to check the ohms of any coil that's already installed however .

 

[Bunnykiller]

I have both the RSST and 3.1, luv both of them... with the RSST I use silica wick in the tank to the build deck and cotton on the deck, the silica feeds the cotton... and it stays pretty juicey too, "dripper juicy" coil is in a horizontal mount.

the 3.1 is vertical mount coil with the wick totally surrounding the coil

 

[Baditude]

I have two AGA-T2 genesis-style rebuildable tank atomizers (like the RSST). They were my first introduction to rebuildables. I rarely use them because they are a "at home only" delivery device - leak if not kept upright, and having to use the "genny tilt" each time I take a vape is a PITA.

Since getting a Kayfun it has become my primary juice attachment, even more used than my cartotanks. It's a flavor machine, can easily be used out-and-about without fear of leaking, and is not position dependent. It is much easier to set up than the genny-style tanks. I highly recommend these.

 

[Glenn_K]

The Kayfun is pretty easy when it comes to coils build, and will give great results. I've been using my KFL+ pretty regularly lately, even though Genesis-style RBAs are my favorite topper.

The RSST is fairly simple in terms of learning how to do a genny build, though there still is a learning curve. Gennies are designed for use with mesh wicks (I'm quoting Zen from his first Z-atty demo video when I say this), and for some people (me included), a properly built genny is about as good as it gets in terms of flavor and vapor production.

Once you get the hang of the KF, if you're still curious about gennies, the RSST is a good choice.

-- Glenn

I honestly cannot tell what the difference between the two of them are (Kayfun vs RSST), other than how the coil is setup. With an RSST do I have to use a mesh wick? Or can I use something else? Another build question I had was, how do you make a coil with more ohms? I don't know if it depends on the wire that's used, but I like to vape at around 2-2.5 ohms. I've already got a multimeter picked out, but that's as far as I really know what to order so far, any recommendations on wicks would be awesome and very much appreciated.

I'm still a noob and I just got off work so I might be asking stupid questions. Thanks in advance, I may not be awake that much longer lol Third shift is a beast.

 

[dice57]

Kayfun would be easier to build and delivers a mighty fine vape. Regulated would be the best way to enter building, what with the DNA30 and clones, get a great regulated 30 watt vape and not have to be so critical on your ohm build target. Though a kick 2 with a mech is a great way to start out too, but then you are limited to 15 watts, though by time you've learned to max that out, you'd be ready for straight mech and sub ohm builds.

Quality batteries and chargers are a must with mech's. 30 or 35 amp IMR batteries would be the best bet.

A lot depends on your vaping goals and objectives. Lot of ways to getting there. Heck, get both and a dripper too. lol Have fun!


Vape long and Prosper!!

 

[cyberwolf]

I'll join the rest in recommending a Kayfun. In my experience, they are as easy to use as a bottom coil clearomizer and easier to rebuild. They work great with VV/VW APVs as long as you don't go too low with your resistance.

 

[itskohler]

I guess I'm the only one who likes the RSST better. My 3.1 has an insanely tight draw that I can't handle.

 

[xXxLEONIDASxXx]

I have both the RSST and 3.1, luv both of them... with the RSST I use silica wick in the tank to the build deck and cotton on the deck, the silica feeds the cotton... and it stays pretty juicey too, "dripper juicy" coil is in a horizontal mount.

the 3.1 is vertical mount coil with the wick totally surrounding the coil
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I'm rebuilding my RSST tonight...that sounds like an awesome setup, wish I would have thought of it earlier.

 

[dj lunchbox]

I have both the RSST and 3.1, luv both of them... with the RSST I use silica wick in the tank to the build deck and cotton on the deck, the silica feeds the cotton... and it stays pretty juicey too, "dripper juicy" coil is in a horizontal mount.

the 3.1 is vertical mount coil with the wick totally surrounding the coil
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Ok I need a better explanation of your RSST setup cuz I wanna try i.

I love my RSST. I always wanted to know what the difference was between a Kayfun setup and now I do lol.

Shortly after getting my RSST I switched to a an IGO. Although obviously the vapor and flavor is much better on a dripper it gets annoying to remove the cap and drip. I went back to my RSST to vape on some tobacco juices I had acquired. Obvioulsy the juices were 6MG and being a non heavy smoker the throat hit on a dripper is wicked. However after a day of vaping out of my RSST i noticed that the flavor wasn't so muted and that the 6mg didn't give that harsh of a throat hit. My usual vape is 0mg maybe 3mg if available.

What I learned about the RSST is wicking is key. When I got it the setup the shop gave me was silica wick around steel rope. It was good then I learned about cotton. Obviously the jump in flavor was awesome but you have to get that right cotton size. So after going through a few tries this weekend I finally got it setup where i'm getting good vapor and flavor. I vaped all day yesterday and Saturday using my RSST.

I had tried many ways to wick it with cotton but it just wasn't doing it. I tried short wicks, all the way to the bottom wicks but just couldn't get it right. I guess since I got my IGO so soon after I just kinda tossed the RSST aside. I switched back for convenience and because I noticed I was getting just 2 hours of vaping from my batteries using my dual coil IGO. (batteries are MNKE 18650 1500MAH I think it's time to step them up). Anyways so searching around the web I found this vid and so far this has been the best setup i've found:



Now alot of people don't like Genesis style attys because of flooding and what not I find that you need to not overfill the tank and make sure that the cotton isn't too thin in the liquid hole. The trick is getting the right thickness of cotton into the tank to not cause over spillage and also not be too thick that it doesn't wick right and dry hits occur. I'll post pics later of my setup.

 

[Sthur]

I second the rsst in auto drip mode.

Cotton wick on an RSST - YouTube

I run a 1.2 micro coil with 28 guage on 1/16 bit and opened my airhole out to 5/64 and works better.

As for the kayfun, it vapes so much better, but everyone has their own preference IMO.

 

[Bunnykiller]

here are the details... 3 mm silica wick in tank to the bottom with about 1/2 exiting the hole, the coil is a nano coil 30 ga wrapped on a sewing needle for about 14 wraps at 2 ohms, cotton is tucked under coil and brought up from behind coil a tad. I use enuf cotton to cover about 1/2 the build deck to act as a " reserve" juice holder for wicking. Since the silica is "covered" by the cotton, I can lay the mod on its side and not worry about leaking ( unless I forgot to replace the silicone fill hole plug ) also I drilled the hole in the cap out to 1/10" dia for increased air flow...