Safety and VV PV's

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khawk77

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Ok, eventually, I will stop asking for opinions and just purchase a vv mod. I thought I had my mind made up, but I found an article on another site that said some vv mods were unsafe. The Buzz Pro was listed specifically. The buzz is sold with unprotected batts(so the article read) and therefore if a they fail could blow up. The So I decided to ask my ecf friends about this issue. Are they safe? I really would like a vv mod, but not at the expense of my safety. Are single battery vv mods safer?

What I'm really trying to ask is what's a good, SAFE mod that performs well also.

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The notcigs pro series have multiple safety functions, current limit, short circuit, temperature, and reverse battery electronic, plus 3 symmetric vent holes and a delrin plastic end cap that will pop off on over pressure. The buzz Pro ii also has three large vents in the tube. The buzz pro has sufficient safeties that I have never worried about them, and they work fine with protected and imr batteries.

I would wonder about the knowledge or bias of anyone who wrote an article about the notcigs products as potentially unsafe.
 
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You can find alot of videos, articles, threads, or posts about battery safety.....Pro's and Con's about stacked batteries, etc. You just need to decide what you are comfortable with....

I am comfortable in that I choose to not use stacked batteries, period .....good luck on your mission to find your dream PV....

Above all else....be safe and know what you are doing..... stuff happens......

example..... http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/17/ElectricSmoke.pdf
 
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Retird, I absolutely agree with you. Each user should make an informed decision. The OP (not the person, but the post they were referring to) just sounds like it was using a broad brush to condemn things.

I personally don't believe that a single battery VV is inherently magically safer. At the end of the day if something goes wrong it is about what venting mechanisms are available, the total energy available for release, and the chemistry (type of reaction). I don't know how many popular tubular VV other than the Pro start with the three symmetric vent holes, a plastic threaded end cap "blow plug", and then offer an option to purchase a model with extra venting (whether one likes or dislikes it, they at least offer the option). Notcigs did check the blowout pressure required to pop the delrin end cap, and the Pro top cap is a single metal piece -- no rational way for it to come off before the bottom goes. The tubes are over-sized relative to the batteries, which allows for some swelling, too.

For energy, a single large 18650 battery has more stored energy (watt-hours, voltage times mAh) than a pair of 16340 batteries combined, and far more than a single battery in a stacked pair.

For type of battery, you can buy protected ICR or safe chemistry IMR in 16340 size same as is available in the single-battery 18650 size. With a single battery VV, boosted regulator, IMR is the only valid choice that I've heard of due to the high current drain (drawing extra current to achieve > 3.7V). With the stacked battery VV, ICR becomes a valid choice due to lower current draw in the buck regulator implementation. I've run protected ICR in several of my notcigs products, as well as the "unprotected" powerizers (they actually do have limited protection, just not the full slate).

For the PV-level electronics safeties, again the Pro series have reverse battery, over current, over temperature. Nothing magic, but it's a good full set of things to have, I don't know what other VV tube mods have those features (possibly all, I've had no reason to check).

I'm very comfortable with what I use, would switch in a heartbeat if I had any worries. Any PV, whether single or stacked batteries, should be thought of in terms of where are its weak points if a battery has a bad day. Then, pick one in your comfort zone and use the manufacturer-recommended batteries (don't cheap out), and use a decent charger.

I pretty much had to survey the crop of what was available, perform my own due diligence to choose what I use. There are definitely other very good products available, including some excellent single battery VV, but I'm happy with my own choice.
 

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Stacked batteries are dangerous in unprotected mods because an ignorant user may configure them in such a fashion that they draw far more current than they were designed to, thus leading to failure.

The notcigs pro series has a regulator that limits the current draw to 2 amps, far below the failure point of the batteries they use. In the highly unlikely event that the regulator fails, the chip has an inline diode that will literally melt off if it reaches a current draw of 3 amps, making it impossible for the device to draw any more current. On top of all of this, the endcap has been designed as a fail point, so that if somehow or another the batteries did manage to fail due to over-current, any explosion would be away from your face and body.

Long story short...I could not feel more safe about my notcigs mods. In fact, I feel far safer using my InfinityPro than I would using a single battery lavatube or something similar.
 
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Stacked batteries are dangerous in unprotected mods because an ignorant user may configure them in such a fashion that they draw far more current than they were designed to, thus leading to failure.

The notcigs pro series has a regulator that limits the current draw to 2 amps, far below the failure point of the batteries they use. In the highly unlikely event that the regulator fails, the chip has an inline diode that will literally melt off if it reaches a current draw of 3 amps, making it impossible for the device to draw any more current. On top of all of this, the endcap has been designed as a fail point, so that if somehow or another the batteries did manage to fail due to over-current, any explosion would be away from your face and body.

Long story short...I could not feel more safe about my notcigs mods. In fact, I feel far safer using my InfinityPro than I would using a single battery lavatube or something similar.
Not to mention you can also use protected or IMR batteries for even more protection with the Buzz if you want to. You don't have to use an unprotected battery (the Powerizers they sell are just known to have the best battery life).

A lot of single battery mods that boost voltage cannot be used with protected batteries and must be used with IMR (nothing wrong with that either). When my Buzz Pro gets here I will have no problems feeling just fine about using AW ICR protected batteries in it.
 
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