Safety tips for first mech Kennedy Roundhouse

[stmtpr]

Hello all,

Just picked up a Kennedy Roundhouse as my first mech.

batteries I just ordered are Samsung 30q = 15Max. Continuous Discharging Current
rda’s plan on using on this mech will be Tobeco Velocity clone and Geekvape Tsunami.
coils I build are typically dual claptons SS316L core 28g/34g with 8 wraps comes out to be about .35 ohms.

If I’m doing the math properly, ohms law calculations(I=V/R) seem to fall in order for the battery and coil. 4.2V / .35R = 12 amps

From what I have read, the Roundhouse is considered a “hybrid” and seems there is some concern about the 510pin on the RDA’s for these “hybrids”.

I have only used regulated mods in the past so I’m looking for some safety tips.

Could anyone share advice?

 

[Bad Ninja]

Hello all,

Just picked up a Kennedy Roundhouse as my first mech.

Batteries I just ordered are Samsung 30q = 15Max. Continuous Discharging Current
RDA’s plan on using on this mech will be Tobeco Velocity clone and Geekvape Tsunami.
Coils I build are typically dual claptons SS316L core 28g/34g with 8 wraps comes out to be about .35 ohms.

If I’m doing the math properly, ohms law calculations(I=V/R) seem to fall in order for the battery and coil. 4.2V / .35R = 12 amps

From what I have read, the Roundhouse is considered a “hybrid” and seems there is some concern about the 510pin on the RDA’s for these “hybrids”.

I have only used regulated mods in the past so I’m looking for some safety tips.

Could anyone share advice?

No its not considered a hybrid.
Its not a hybrid. Its a direct-to-battery mod.
Hybrids do not have 510 threads.
Hybrids have dedicated atomizers.
The Kennedy Ruby is a hybrid.
The Roadhouse isnt.

That said, the Tsunami has an adjustable 510 contact.

Know your gear, or you will get hurt playing with mechanicals.

 

[stmtpr]

Thanks for the clarification.

I have done a lot of research prior to posting but couldn't find some of my answers. So part of the reason for this post is to learn my gear.

Given that the Tsunami has an adjustable 510 contact, is it safe for this direct-to-battery mod?

 

[mhertz]

Sorry, but if you have to ask if something is safe, then you haven't done the proper research...

You should only use a pinless-510 mod when you know which precautions to take, but that goes with all mechs...

My first mech where also a pinless-510 mod, but I wasen't in doubt about what was and wasen't safe, though or else wouldn't have bought it...

Yes, if the 510 is adjustable, or fixed(non-springloaded), and is adjusted/placed to stick out over the treads of the 510 then its "safe"... Of course other aspects still apply like battery-safety and checking for shorts etc... I always place the atty ontop of the battery negative(just to check against flat surface) and check to see if there's "light at the sides"(pin-protruding OK), well, unless it's plain evident from just a quick look...

Btw, the 30q is listed as a 15a, but in reality is a 20a cdr cell

 

[stmtpr]

Again, great input. Thanks for that. And sorry if I gave the impression that I have done all the "proper" research because I have not but that is why I'm here. I am still gathering information before beginning using this mech.

I probably could have worded the title differently. Like "Gathering information before use" .

You all are awesome and the information provided so far is greatly appreciated.

 

[sacullen]

Don't let people try to scare you away from asking questions about your gear, especially when it comes to safety. With all the mis- and disinformation available on the Internet, simply telling someone to "do research" or that you haven't done it "properly" is a woefully inadequate response.

I happen to have those two RDAs right next to me. You're good to go with the Tsunami. The picture of mine has the positive pin screwed in all the way and it still protrudes adequately enough. The Velocity, though doesn't protrude enough for me to feel comfortable using it on a DtB mod like the Roundhouse. We are dealing with Tobeco, though, so your pin might protrude more than mine. I have Velocities from different manufacturers and others are totally fine. It might look OK in the pic, but IRL it's not protruding much at all.

 

[mhertz]

I'm not trying to scare anyone away from asking questions btw! I'm saying proper research has to be done before using such equipment, wether that's asking on forums or reading up on it yourself is irrelevant...

I have 6 velocities from different manufacturers and they all have an adjustable pin, but I don't have the tobecco though which is different then... The pic you posted of the velocity's protruding pin would personally be my limit of OK'nes...

 

[stmtpr]

@sacullen, thanks for the input and appreciate the kind words about asking questions. Thru my research I found this on the Kennedy website.

• Kennedy Enterprises is not responsible for misuse of product, or dangerously low coil builds, also we do not recommend building a coil below 1 ohm
• you MUST use an atomizer that has a protruding 510 positive post.

I guess my .35 ohm coil is a no go and will have to rethink my build.

thanks

 

[mhertz]

0.35 is fine mate! Seriously! Those are just liability-statements, so if anybody gets hurt with there equipment then they can stay clear of any blame... As long as you build under or at the CDR of your battery(in amps), then you'll have no issues, if of course, following the standard mech precautions also additionally(check resistance/shorts, use proper trustworthy cells and protruding pin on pinless-510 mods, orient cells probably, check wrappings etc)

 

[Baditude]

A Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod

• Covers the differences between a mechanical vs. regulated mod, essential safety accessories, optional safety accessories to add layers of safety to your mech, routine maintanance, use of proper batteries, proper ventilation, low resistance vaping, and faux hybrid/direct battery mods.

Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations

• As simple as it is to use, some people have a tough time grasping the concept.

 

[stmtpr]

Thanks, you guys rock!!!

 

[VHRB2014]

You gotta be carefull with those adjustable 510 pins on a "direct to battery" mod. Continued pushing of the battery against it (when you push the button) can force it to screw itself back into its hole, to which at some point it becomes even with the negative casing, and "KABOOM". What I do to keep it from being driven home is to remove it, and stick a small o-ring on it, so that the o-ring stops it from getting too short and causing catastrophic problems.

I check all my RDA`s out for this, I make sure the 510 cant be screwed in so far it levels up with the negative casing, if it does, I use the o-ring on it.

This is my easy peesy method of checking for safety with a DTB RDA.

Stay safe. :?)

 

[stmtpr]

Great idea.

I am still gathering data and will add this to my homework list. I normally use regulated mods but if for some reason they break and we can't get anymore, I will at least have the mech to fall back on.

Another thing that is confusing me slightly is the battery orientation for the Roundhouse. From the research I have done it seem the battery positive is downward toward the switch. I am probably over thinking this but if that is the case then the RDA pin is going to touch the battery negative. Just seems backwards. Oh well, continuing my research before using this thing....

Thanks

 

[Bad Ninja]

Great idea.

I am still gathering data and will add this to my homework list. I normally use regulated mods but if for some reason they break and we can't get anymore, I will at least have the mech to fall back on.

Another thing that is confusing me slightly is the battery orientation for the Roundhouse. From the research I have done it seem the battery positive is downward toward the switch. I am probably over thinking this but if that is the case then the RDA pin is going to touch the battery negative. Just seems backwards. Oh well, continuing my research before using this thing....

Thanks

You are correct in your observations.
Its an extremely dangerous design.

 

[mhertz]

stmtpr, it doesn't matter the orientation is changed, circuit-wise, just remember to be extra diligent about checking wraps on your cells, as on normal orientation you will just get a "continuous-fire", which isn't that bad on a "following CDR" build, whereas reversed orientation will give you a hard-short when pressing fire(zapping finger i've been told... Have seen it happen to others on other mods due to user-failure...)

 

[Bad Ninja]

stmtpr, it doesn't matter the orientation is changed, circuit-wise, just remember to be extra diligent about checking wraps on your cells, as on normal orientation you will just get a "continuous-fire", which isn't that bad on a "following CDR" build, whereas reversed orientation will give you a hard-short when pressing fire(zapping finger i've been told... Have seen it happen to others on other mods due to user-failure...)

At least one instance found the button being shot through a vape shop employees hand as a result of reversing a battery at a cloud comp.

Its a design based on false logic and a flawed understanding of safety.

Use your heads.

 

[mhertz]

Not checking wraps on a design where wrap-checking is paramount is user-error, period... I'm sick of people not being able to differentiate about that in general...

"as a result of reversing a battery", rather as a result of user-error

Some people drive over a cliff and die... Cars are dangerous people, use your heads!

People not knowing there gear(which I applaud you're often stating ), means get the f*** off said gear as you're obviously a dumbass, instead of b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g at the gear...

I've read some here stating they've had a cell blow up on them so now they know how dangerous mechs can be(in general, not this issue)... Being extra carefull about safety is great and mandatory, but then later when they explain how it happened, then it's 100% user failure... W-T-F, lol... Of course user-error can make bad things happen... Nothing to do with mech-safety, but dumbass-safety imho

Just my opinion of course

Edit: Not related at anyone, but just getting some general frustration out, lol I love you all

 

[stmtpr]

All input is greatly appreciated

From what I can tell it appears the orientation of the battery(on this mod) is due to the placement of the vent holes which are closer to the bottom.

EDIT: Of course I'm assuming that batteries always vent from positive side.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Not checking wraps on a design where wrap-checking is paramount is user-error, period... I'm sick of people not being able to differentiate about that in general...

"as a result of reversing a battery", rather as a result of user-error

Some people drive over a cliff and die... Cars are dangerous people, use your heads!

People not knowing there gear(which I applaud you're often stating ), means get the f*** off said gear as you're obviously a dumbass, instead of b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g at the gear...

I've read some here stating they've had a cell blow up on them so now they know how dangerous mechs can be(in general, not this issue)... Being extra carefull about safety is great and mandatory, but then later when they explain how it happened, then it's 100% user failure... W-T-F, lol... Of course user-error can make bad things happen... Nothing to do with mech-safety, but dumbass-safety imho

Just my opinion of course

Edit: Not related at anyone, but just getting some general frustration out, lol I love you all

I agree.
And you know Im not fear mongering.

You can damage a perfect
cell just by installing it in a tube mech.
( Which was the most likely cause of the exploding idiot incident I referenced.)
Probably good that it has big vent holes.

 

[VHRB2014]

LOL. It should slide in smoooooothly without hesitation.