I'm trying to convince my wife that it's okay to vape in the house...she's not buying it. Any suggestions or positive documentation?
Second Hand Vape?
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My fiance was against it too...I just started doing it and she couldn't smell it. It became "OK" for me to do without getting yelled at after about a week.
The water vapor is not nearly as effective a method to transfer nicotine as smoke is. You need a mouthful of fresh, dense vapor to get an effect, and by the time you exhale it most of it's been destroyed. I believe you could possibly, worst-case, be exposed to almost as much nicotine as you get from eating a tomato.
At the risk of starting a domestic dispute, I'd suggest that you're as likely to drown on her perfume as she is to get any nicotine from your vapor.
At the risk of starting a domestic dispute, I'd suggest that you're as likely to drown on her perfume as she is to get any nicotine from your vapor.
I would have kicked my dog (and I LOVE my dog) before I would smoke in our new home and would have kicked company out if they tried to light up in here. I am sitting in my easy chair with laptop on my lap happily vaping some great e-juice knowing that it will not leave any residue or odor in here. Tell her to rest easy. It is only vapor. The dishwasher or a hot shower puts more in the air than vaping does.
Second hand vape is not really something to be worried about. At the "highest" level of nicotine by most suppliers (24mg) we have 24mg of nicotine per ml to start with. In one cigarette we start with 10mg and absorb 1mg of that (roughly) as the person who directly inhaled it, they only got 10% of the nicotine in there.
For an ecig, if you assume the same 10% ratio your 24mg will equate to 2.4mg per ml of liquid used. How much is a ml? Around 20 drops. How many puffs per drop? Around 5 - 10-ish. So for one puff at the highest scale we will be able to get 0.12mg of nicotine per inhale.
0.12mg of nicotine? As the person who is inhaling it? That's not a lot, then you exhale the vapour, and what happens? It dissapates, quite quickly with air, moisture etc. How much nicotine could they reasonably absorb from a very dissipated exhale from a reasonable distance? How much vapour can you actually inhale second hand? 1% at best unless you're exhaling right into their mouth? 0.0012mg of nicotine?
Not a lot and that's at "high" nicotine content assuming they even can get enough nicotine in the vapour to be the same as your 10% absorption (it couldn't be because you've already absorbed 10% of it so it should be even less). What if you start at 6mg? 0.0003mg? What carcinogens do ecigs put out? None. Is it just the nicotine they're worried about then? I think they'd get more nicotine sucking on a tomato than they would sitting right next to you while you use your ecig.
Nicotine doesn't cause cancer, it's not a carcinogen. Ecig vapour doesn't stick to fabrics, doesn't leave a smell for hours and it does not affect others nearby if you consider the nicotine absorption rate and how dissipated your vapour will be.
Are they also worried that they're getting caffeinated off the steam coming off your coffee when you drink it near them? It's as absurd as that, but I can understand because nicotine has been plastered in with all the other scares associated with cigarettes and smoke.
The only thing I'd be worried about is if they had a pg or vg allergy, then and only then would I understand. I vape in close proximity to an athesmatic person who reports that my vapour does not affect them in the slightest.
Propylene glycol, usually the main carrier for nicotine in ecigs has been pumped into hospitals for decades as a germacide with no reports of a negative effect. This practice came about after researchers exposed mokeys or mice (I forget which) to constant pg in the air for a long period of time and if anything it showed they had a reduction in illnesses compared to the control group.
If you search ECF for "second hand vapour" there's a lot of topics on this subject. If it wasn't 4:30am I'd find some studies others posted that backed this up.
For an ecig, if you assume the same 10% ratio your 24mg will equate to 2.4mg per ml of liquid used. How much is a ml? Around 20 drops. How many puffs per drop? Around 5 - 10-ish. So for one puff at the highest scale we will be able to get 0.12mg of nicotine per inhale.
0.12mg of nicotine? As the person who is inhaling it? That's not a lot, then you exhale the vapour, and what happens? It dissapates, quite quickly with air, moisture etc. How much nicotine could they reasonably absorb from a very dissipated exhale from a reasonable distance? How much vapour can you actually inhale second hand? 1% at best unless you're exhaling right into their mouth? 0.0012mg of nicotine?
Not a lot and that's at "high" nicotine content assuming they even can get enough nicotine in the vapour to be the same as your 10% absorption (it couldn't be because you've already absorbed 10% of it so it should be even less). What if you start at 6mg? 0.0003mg? What carcinogens do ecigs put out? None. Is it just the nicotine they're worried about then? I think they'd get more nicotine sucking on a tomato than they would sitting right next to you while you use your ecig.
Nicotine doesn't cause cancer, it's not a carcinogen. Ecig vapour doesn't stick to fabrics, doesn't leave a smell for hours and it does not affect others nearby if you consider the nicotine absorption rate and how dissipated your vapour will be.
Are they also worried that they're getting caffeinated off the steam coming off your coffee when you drink it near them? It's as absurd as that, but I can understand because nicotine has been plastered in with all the other scares associated with cigarettes and smoke.
The only thing I'd be worried about is if they had a pg or vg allergy, then and only then would I understand. I vape in close proximity to an athesmatic person who reports that my vapour does not affect them in the slightest.
Propylene glycol, usually the main carrier for nicotine in ecigs has been pumped into hospitals for decades as a germacide with no reports of a negative effect. This practice came about after researchers exposed mokeys or mice (I forget which) to constant pg in the air for a long period of time and if anything it showed they had a reduction in illnesses compared to the control group.
If you search ECF for "second hand vapour" there's a lot of topics on this subject. If it wasn't 4:30am I'd find some studies others posted that backed this up.
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some vapes smell kinda nasty though, why dont you trie some e-liquids with chocolate or cookies or fruit, this will leave a nice smell, and might help
I would think that anyone that lives with a smoker and sees them trying to quit would be positively thrilled that the person is trying to stop smoking and vape.
I might be more helpful if we knew why she is so dead set against it. Does she smoke? If not then I think she would be thrilled with you vaping instead of smoking. Is she afraid of second hand whatever? More info please.
tell her it is vapor and not smoke.
Just sweet talk her. worked with my gf.
just dont blow it in her face.
Just sweet talk her. worked with my gf.
just dont blow it in her face.
Sometimes you just gotta put your foot down. Maybe take it slowly and vape in the bathroom or the garage for a few days. Then In the morning with a cup of coffee bring it out in front of her. Only you know your limits.
I know certain documentation helps with certain people who want to challenge everything including their own feelings and need something in writing to believe otherwise, It still isn't going to work all the time though. Certain family members of mine have challenged just about everything in the past 9 months with vaping. I did some research and tried sharing it but I got the typical, "Who says that's a reliable source!?"
I think the best way to go is to stand your ground. If your not smoking cigs anymore you deserve to have a little icing on your cake. That icing might just be vaping in your own home...
I know certain documentation helps with certain people who want to challenge everything including their own feelings and need something in writing to believe otherwise, It still isn't going to work all the time though. Certain family members of mine have challenged just about everything in the past 9 months with vaping. I did some research and tried sharing it but I got the typical, "Who says that's a reliable source!?"
I think the best way to go is to stand your ground. If your not smoking cigs anymore you deserve to have a little icing on your cake. That icing might just be vaping in your own home...
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Yeah. I hate to nose into somebody's business, but I guess you did ask. If I was in your situation, I'd say that I was going to do it, and that I would understand if she was upset, but that my mind was made up. After being married for five and half years I've found that sometimes a fight isn't necessarily a bad thing. (they're never fun but sometimes they lead to compromise.)
Good luck regardless.
Good luck regardless.
Been smoke free for 72 hours now after 45 years of smoking and 30 years of marriage to a non-smoker. She quit shortly before we got married and since we had kids (29 yrs ago) I've only been smoking in one room, the bathroom with the fan on, or outside of the house. Everyone (kids & wife) have been gently nagging me to stop for probably 15 years. I'm a flaming Libertarian so although I went out of my way to NOT subject them to my smoke, they knew that I would only stop when (and if) I decided I was going to stop.
When I read about the vapes and bought some the other day I got SO freakin excited that I could have my soothing nicotine without worrying abut the carcinogens OR passing anything on in the vapor I guess my enthusiasm showed when I explained to her how they worked and how I was finally ready to quit the tobacco. After a day or so, I asked her if she would let me blow some vapor near her so she could tell me if she smelled anything, and she agreed. Nothing.
Her and my oldest daughter are still not enthused that I'm still 'on' nicotine, but I told them nicotine isn't carcinogenic (most people don't know that), reminded them that they are 'hooked on' caffeine and/or sugar/chocolate, but most of all .. I'm not inhaling the (7000?) chemicals and 65 carcinogens that I have been for all those years.
If it comes down to it, they can either learn about the vapes, get over it and be happy for me, or (NOT going to happen) watch me start back up with tobacco. That's simply all of the choices they have. From what I've read, at the most nicotine in second hand vapor could maybe calm them some but you're not even that lucky .. not enough to have an effect, imo.
When I read about the vapes and bought some the other day I got SO freakin excited that I could have my soothing nicotine without worrying abut the carcinogens OR passing anything on in the vapor I guess my enthusiasm showed when I explained to her how they worked and how I was finally ready to quit the tobacco. After a day or so, I asked her if she would let me blow some vapor near her so she could tell me if she smelled anything, and she agreed. Nothing.
Her and my oldest daughter are still not enthused that I'm still 'on' nicotine, but I told them nicotine isn't carcinogenic (most people don't know that), reminded them that they are 'hooked on' caffeine and/or sugar/chocolate, but most of all .. I'm not inhaling the (7000?) chemicals and 65 carcinogens that I have been for all those years.
If it comes down to it, they can either learn about the vapes, get over it and be happy for me, or (NOT going to happen) watch me start back up with tobacco. That's simply all of the choices they have. From what I've read, at the most nicotine in second hand vapor could maybe calm them some but you're not even that lucky .. not enough to have an effect, imo.
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Second hand smoke is really misunderstood. It's actually a combination of 'side stream smoke' which is more a first hand smoke and 'mainstream smoke' which is the exhaled smoke. The side stream smoke is far worse then the mainstream smoke since it's not been filtered at all. The exhaled 'mainstream smoke' has already been filtered by the lungs of the smoker, removing many of the particles.
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Excellent point! Most people aren't aware of sidestream smoke at all. That's worth bringing up.
Great post, point & link stephpd.
I forgot to mention, in my reading I also had a look at the FDA test report about vapes on the FDA's own site (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf) and as I read it, when the juice is heated (like when being used) they found NO carcinogens in the one brand and only list 'detectable' (with no number value or point of reference) for one out of the 3 or 4 'possible' carcinogenic substances they seem to be babbling about, for the other brand. Page 5, Table 2 & footnote.
Someone correct me if I'm reading it wrong?
I forgot to mention, in my reading I also had a look at the FDA test report about vapes on the FDA's own site (http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/ScienceResearch/UCM173250.pdf) and as I read it, when the juice is heated (like when being used) they found NO carcinogens in the one brand and only list 'detectable' (with no number value or point of reference) for one out of the 3 or 4 'possible' carcinogenic substances they seem to be babbling about, for the other brand. Page 5, Table 2 & footnote.
Someone correct me if I'm reading it wrong?
Yeah, they found 'something' in an atty, not the e-liquid. Could be because atty's are sent with a protective coating of oil. Most here are aware of this and wipe out that stuff, or find out with their first inhale and how bad it tastes.
Then the FDA goes on and tries to confuse folks with alarming stuff, like PG being used in antifreeze. What they fail to mention is it's in the type that's not lethal, so cats and dogs don't die from drinking some of it. But insinuate it's the stuff in the lethal type of antifreeze.
When I started staying-over at my fiancee's (then, GF's) house, I smoked. On occaision, I had a cigarette in the bedroom, late at night. Most of the time, I would take it to the bathroom with the fan on. Her house was non-smoking, but she allowed me anyway. Out of respect for her 2 live in sons (at the time) and their feelings about my presence, I asked her to inquire if they had any questions or concerns about me staying-over. The only complaint was from the youngest one who said, "I just don't like that he smokes in the house." I had started to smell the smoke stench outside the bedroom in the upstairs hall about this time, myself. I soon became aware of e-cigs and started vaping. She's elated. I'm vaping all over the house. The youngest son who had the concerns is not offended in the least. In fact he puts some of my DIY flavors (flavor concentrate-only) in his fog machine (he's a DJ).
I think you need to man-up, put your foot down, explain the benefits of e-cigs and lack of proof of any harmful effects of "second-hand vapor" and tell your woman that this is how it is. "I'm doing this for OUR benefit. I'm not going outside or refraining from doing something that has no cause for concern in the first place. If you're just looking for a fight, then put these boxing gloves!"
If she pulls out a gun or knife, RUN! Otherwise, stick out your chest and let em hang, Nancy.
I think you need to man-up, put your foot down, explain the benefits of e-cigs and lack of proof of any harmful effects of "second-hand vapor" and tell your woman that this is how it is. "I'm doing this for OUR benefit. I'm not going outside or refraining from doing something that has no cause for concern in the first place. If you're just looking for a fight, then put these boxing gloves!"
If she pulls out a gun or knife, RUN! Otherwise, stick out your chest and let em hang, Nancy.
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