I would definitely do the search mentioned earlier. I know I read somewhere recently that a test had been done, and no nicotine was found to be in the exhaled vapor. Good luck though!! 
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Or not mention that it's used as an antifreeze in drinking water systems because of it's low/non toxicity. I'm a retired auto tech and training course developer, so they can't fool me with the difference between Propylene glycol & the VERY toxic ethylene glycol in older antifreeze....
Then the FDA goes on and tries to confuse folks with alarming stuff, like PG being used in antifreeze. What they fail to mention is it's in the type that's not lethal, so cats and dogs don't die from drinking some of it. But insinuate it's the stuff in the lethal type of antifreeze.
You'd expect the FDA to act a bit more knowledgeable or be a bit more forthcoming, wouldn't you? Well, the majority of the public would any way.
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I am amazed and saddened that no one mentioned for you to go to CASAA for the information you are looking for.
If we all don't start supporting CASAA, our freedom to vape will be taken away. There are very powerful interests trying to do that right now, especially the Big Pharm companies:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html
Click on the link in my signature (the bottom of this post) and it will take you to CASAA. You should find several articles that will help you explain that vaping is safe for those around you. And please join CASAA, also.
If we all don't start supporting CASAA, our freedom to vape will be taken away. There are very powerful interests trying to do that right now, especially the Big Pharm companies:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html
Click on the link in my signature (the bottom of this post) and it will take you to CASAA. You should find several articles that will help you explain that vaping is safe for those around you. And please join CASAA, also.
Thanks wv2win.
As for me, I already found it on my own and am already a member.
If you have a close look at my first post I mention that I'm a 'flaming' Libertarian (a genuine one, not a Tea-party fake), and the other post that mentions my ability to understand at least some technical documents (ex-auto tech course developer).
Couple that with the fact that I'm sitting here thinking more and more about the blatant inclusion of irrelevant (read misleading) information in the public FDA position release and that I'm no stranger to contacting my legislators .. no telling what may become of all that.
Did I mention that the FDA has mostly moved it's headquarters to it's new home about 1/2 mile from my house? .. And that I'm retired with some available time?
As for me, I already found it on my own and am already a member.
If you have a close look at my first post I mention that I'm a 'flaming' Libertarian (a genuine one, not a Tea-party fake), and the other post that mentions my ability to understand at least some technical documents (ex-auto tech course developer).
Couple that with the fact that I'm sitting here thinking more and more about the blatant inclusion of irrelevant (read misleading) information in the public FDA position release and that I'm no stranger to contacting my legislators .. no telling what may become of all that.
Did I mention that the FDA has mostly moved it's headquarters to it's new home about 1/2 mile from my house? .. And that I'm retired with some available time?
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Not sure if I missed something on this thread, but why doesn't she want you vaping in the house?
Thanks for the support.
Her main reason is that she doesn't want the kids (4yrs and 1.5yrs) to see it and think it's okay. I'll probably just play this like most situations where I'm between a rock and a hard place: chip away at the rock until it's a pebble.
Thanks again, everyone.
Her main reason is that she doesn't want the kids (4yrs and 1.5yrs) to see it and think it's okay. I'll probably just play this like most situations where I'm between a rock and a hard place: chip away at the rock until it's a pebble.
Thanks again, everyone.
Hmm. Well, I gotta agree with her on that one.
Hard to tell kids why it's ok for me and not for you b4 they are old enough to really think things through & make their own decisions. Even with me being a reasonably stealth smoker (or so I thought), my oldest tried cigs when she was about 15. We were super lucky that we found them after only about a week, and that after I suggested she listen to me coughing when I wake up, think about what they said in health class, and make make up her own mind .. she decided to pass on 'em. Youngest one never tried 'em.
Geez, their Mom really raised them well.
Will she let you vape in the bathroom with the exhaust fan on or in some other room you can lock? I don't see the need for her to make you go outside.
It's not really a big deal to go outside. The weather has been great. It's been in the 70s the last couple of days - perfect, clear blue skies! Texas FTW! The smoker's been busy, and I don't mean me.
I'm pretty sure she knows I'm vaping in the office, but she hasn't said anything. Phase one complete.
The only recommendation I have for the whole "not in front of the kids thing" is just be stealthy about it. If you were still smoking and only doing it outside, wouldn't the kids still see you doing that eventually?
Another interesting thing that most people don't know about the safety of vapor is that a very similar mixture in a much higher volume is often used in functional demonstrations of a fire/life safety smoke evacuation system for large and high occupancy structures. I was involved with some of those tests a couple of years ago when a new mega resort was being opened out here. The building was going for it's LEED certification and after a certain construction point they would pull your badge and kick you off the project if they caught you smoking inside (did NOT go over well with the construction crews) because the testing equipment could pick up trace amounts of the chemicals in smoke and prevent them from getting the certification. When it came time for the smoke evacuation test the fire marshal brought in a high power, high volume fog machine and filled the corridors up so there was a visible indication the system was working as designed. I talked with him about it because I couldn't see how it wouldn't leave something behind that would be detected in some of the other LEED testing steps. I had no idea about vapeing back then, but he gave me a breakdown of what that big fog machine was, how it worked and why it was not harmful. If a similar device (albeit much larger) and a base almost exactly like our juice gets the thumbs up from a fire marshal of a fairly large city, then I see no reason to fear it. If only I could get my hands on his fogger and convert it into a PV...
Another interesting thing that most people don't know about the safety of vapor is that a very similar mixture in a much higher volume is often used in functional demonstrations of a fire/life safety smoke evacuation system for large and high occupancy structures. I was involved with some of those tests a couple of years ago when a new mega resort was being opened out here. The building was going for it's LEED certification and after a certain construction point they would pull your badge and kick you off the project if they caught you smoking inside (did NOT go over well with the construction crews) because the testing equipment could pick up trace amounts of the chemicals in smoke and prevent them from getting the certification. When it came time for the smoke evacuation test the fire marshal brought in a high power, high volume fog machine and filled the corridors up so there was a visible indication the system was working as designed. I talked with him about it because I couldn't see how it wouldn't leave something behind that would be detected in some of the other LEED testing steps. I had no idea about vapeing back then, but he gave me a breakdown of what that big fog machine was, how it worked and why it was not harmful. If a similar device (albeit much larger) and a base almost exactly like our juice gets the thumbs up from a fire marshal of a fairly large city, then I see no reason to fear it. If only I could get my hands on his fogger and convert it into a PV...
I totally understand "not in front of the kids" reasoning. Kids mimic parents when young. But as for stealth vaping and in your office, I'm all about that.
If I had younger kids/teens that got hooked on smoking, Id be the first one offering to buy them a PV.
Good luck on chipping away at the rock, you know what they say "Happy wife = Happy Life"
If I had younger kids/teens that got hooked on smoking, Id be the first one offering to buy them a PV.
Good luck on chipping away at the rock, you know what they say "Happy wife = Happy Life"
What's funny (funny weird, not haha) is that when I was little my dad smoked. He started when he was in high school because he helped my uncle on the farm, and the smoke keeps the gnats out of your face. That's probably the only story I know of smoking that is a quasi-benefit. He quit when I was in third grade.
From then through high school I was a huge anti-smoker. Then I was in a jazz band in college: jam sessions, tours, cigars, and liquor. What is it about jazz that invokes self destruction? What would Miles Davis be like without it?
Anyway, yeah. Kidos are mimcs. Raising kids is hard, especially when you have a double minor in sociology and psychology and your wife is an LPC. Knowing what you should do and trying to justify why you're not doing it is tougher mentally than not knowing at all. Talk about guilt.
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From then through high school I was a huge anti-smoker. Then I was in a jazz band in college: jam sessions, tours, cigars, and liquor. What is it about jazz that invokes self destruction? What would Miles Davis be like without it?
Anyway, yeah. Kidos are mimcs. Raising kids is hard, especially when you have a double minor in sociology and psychology and your wife is an LPC. Knowing what you should do and trying to justify why you're not doing it is tougher mentally than not knowing at all. Talk about guilt.
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Teens think pvs are probably as far from cool as you can get. If they're going to try something, it's going to be the real thing.
I've been a vapesmen for 4 weeks now
I've always wanted to smoke in my parents house (without the need for a shisha/hookah pipe)
Now my dreams have come (kinda) true hehehe
I've always wanted to smoke in my parents house (without the need for a shisha/hookah pipe)
Now my dreams have come (kinda) true hehehe
I just wanted to clear up a few misconceptions I am seeing in this thread...
The FDA antifreeze scare is based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol (DEG) in one of the cartridges they tested.
While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 18 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.
And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.
Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.
But also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes anyway.
And the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.
But the most important thing to know?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
No other tests have ever found diethylene glycol in any electronic cigarette liquid.
And no test, including the FDA test in question, has EVER found DEG in the vapor produced.
The FDA antifreeze scare is based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol (DEG) in one of the cartridges they tested.
While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 18 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.
And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.
Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.
But also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes anyway.
And the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.
But the most important thing to know?
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf
No other tests have ever found diethylene glycol in any electronic cigarette liquid.
And no test, including the FDA test in question, has EVER found DEG in the vapor produced.
I gotta agree with Swedish Fish. Young teens want to have that first success of "getting away with it" IMO
I'd hope everyone who ever thinks about smoking especially teens would want to eventually get involved with a PV but I feel that most teens would want to do the "In thing" Smoking's always been that in Jr. High's and High Schools. It was at both of mine. That's how I started!
I'd hope everyone who ever thinks about smoking especially teens would want to eventually get involved with a PV but I feel that most teens would want to do the "In thing" Smoking's always been that in Jr. High's and High Schools. It was at both of mine. That's how I started!
No problem! Vape Away! Although a slite scent can be noticed by some, it quickly evaporates and never lingers! Your furniture and carpet will never be harmed by vaping! This is a beautiful thing! Also..Analogs have over 4,000 carcinogens so second hand smoke can be dangerous! This is a non issue with vaping!
Yeah, sorry but that would be me and after I calmed down today I realised that my emotional state made me misread the FDA's summary statement. (I'm working on trying to look at issues I feel strongly about without getting emotional. Guess I need to go adjust my juice)
Agreed. I had read the test results and mostly took away that there was nothing in the FDA's tested vapor. That's what got me seeking FDA blood, thinking that I'd have been betrayed by them as a citizen looking for guidance if I had only read the summary and not taken the time to really read the actual report (like I suspect my legislators would/will/have done).
Thanks & sorry to detract from the clean vapor message.
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