Should e-liquid dealers work harder to post nicotine instructions/warnings?

[HighlanderNorth]

When I went over to the DIY forum here, the first thing I saw at the top of the main page there were warnings about the dangers of excessive or irresponsible nicotine use/mixing. But I dont see hardly any of that at the dealers' sites. Many sell nicotine in 24mg-48mg-72mg and 100mg/ml concentrations, which could be very dangerous if used without diluting it significantly..... Not to mention the potential problems if a child got hold of a bottle of either nicotine or even strong e-liquid mixture. They could seriously poison themselves or die!

Thats all it will take is one person to do something stupid with nicotine, and that will be the perfect excuse for corrupt politicians to use in order to push for a ban on e-cigs in their state or even nationally(eventually). Many of these people on both sides are willing to pander to the tobacco companies in exchange for donations, future cushy jobs, or outright bribes!

So its in everyone's interest for the dealers of these products to be very careful and work hard to educate potential customers on the dangers of nicotine....

 

[Levitas]

Pretty sure that most, if not all, liquid dealers post warnings on the site about the use of e-liquid. Most bottles share similar warnings.

It's on the parents to responsibly educate and keep these types of things away from our children. We cannot allow anyone else to be responsible for our children.

 

[vsummer1]

I think it is stated pretty clearly that it is a poison and if someone was stupid enough not to treat it as such than the fault lies with the consumer. It was made pretty clear to me both at this site and the vendor's sites that I had to be over 18, it was a poison and to handle it carefully and keep it away from children. Thus the childproof caps most use.

There are a lot of harmful things in the world. Drinking rubbing alchohol for instance. Does the store have to have a big sign telling me that? Nope.

Please don't be so dramatic. If my dog/kid/senile grandmother ate my pack of cigarettes it would be just as bad, yet cigarettes don't warn me of that.

 

[HighlanderNorth]

Pretty sure that most, if not all, liquid dealers post warnings on the site about the use of e-liquid. Most bottles share similar warnings.

It's on the parents to responsibly educate and keep these types of things away from our children. We cannot allow anyone else to be responsible for our children.

Well, thats all well and good, but it wont fly when some kid dies while his parents were at work and a pro-tobacco politician finds out about it! Besides, just because you may be a good parent, doesnt mean that everyone else is..... There are millions of absentee parents out there, and we cant just adopt the "oh well, what'ya gonna do" mindset. There has to be more education about this, or it will be shut down. There are many people now who dont like the e-cig situation because its not regulated or tested by the gov't, and all they need to shut the door on e-cigs is a dead kid.....

I dont believe in huge gov't, but I do believe in responsible behavior on the part of anyone who provides potentially dangerous products.

 

[HighlanderNorth]

I think it is stated pretty clearly that it is a poison and if someone was stupid enough not to treat it as such than the fault lies with the consumer. It was made pretty clear to me both at this site and the vendor's sites that I had to be over 18, it was a poison and to handle it carefully and keep it away from children. Thus the childproof caps most use.

There are a lot of harmful things in the world. Drinking rubbing alchohol for instance. Does the store have to have a big sign telling me that? Nope.

Please don't be so dramatic. If my dog/kid/senile grandmother ate my pack of cigarettes it would be just as bad, yet cigarettes don't warn me of that.

I'm not being dramatic. Dont be blind! There are people out there who want to limit or ban this stuff, and all they need is an excuse! Sure there are dangerous chemicals out there, but there arent huge multi-billion dollar businesses and politicians looking for excuses to ban rubbing alcohol! We had one kid who committed suicide in our state, and it got out that he had smoked some legal herb in the sage family(salvia) some time weeks earlier, and the politicians banned it even though there is no evidence the salvia had anything to so with the kid committing suicide! There's no evidence proving any of the claims about it either, but that doesnt stop people from making up evidence.

People do things for money. If extremely wealthy corporations stand to lose billions of dollars, they will work LONG and HARD to put an end to whatever product is cutting into their profits.


Oh yeah, what does being over 18 have to do with educating people about proper nicotine use and mixing? People over 18 can overdose too!

 

[HighlanderNorth]

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[Bamrz]

I'd say about 95% of the juice I have here is labeled "Keep out of reach of children and pets". At least one has a skull and crossbones on it. I order all mine with regular caps instead of child-proof ones because I have no small children and keep them locked in a tool chest. But about half are available to order with child-proof caps.

Exactly how much further would you want the vendors to go?

 

[Screwbag]

If they worked any harder they would have to send someone to your home to mix it for you! Everything that I have ever purchased has been well labelled, childproofed etc.

The bottle label, box label, and accompanying papers all say things such as poison, dispose of properly, don't put down the drain etc.

Although I could suggest that they add to the label "this bottle is not a suppository" lol

Beyond that all else is a Darwin award IMHO....

 

[Levitas]

Well, thats all well and good, but it wont fly when some kid dies while his parents were at work and a pro-tobacco politician finds out about it! Besides, just because you may be a good parent, doesnt mean that everyone else is..... There are millions of absentee parents out there, and we cant just adopt the "oh well, what'ya gonna do" mindset. There has to be more education about this, or it will be shut down. There are many people now who dont like the e-cig situation because its not regulated or tested by the gov't, and all they need to shut the door on e-cigs is a dead kid.....

I dont believe in huge gov't, but I do believe in responsible behavior on the part of anyone who provides potentially dangerous products.

Heh, I don't mean to sound rude, my friend, but, vaping has been around for years. People have fought over and over again with the FDA and government regulations, whom consistently try and weasle anyway possible to regulate, shut down, and destroy vaping.

If anything, vaping consumers and its proprietors have only raised the bar when it comes to awareness and safety, and continue to do so.

I wasn't saying that vendors shouldn't make awareness important. I was saying that when it comes down to it, nails and teeth, it's truly up to the parents to ensure their child is safe from possible harm with e-liquid and other hazardous products. Vendors aren't going to come and house sit your juice while you're away to make sure your child doesn't drink it. Put it up, lock it up, inform your children. My 5 year old son NEVER touches my e-stuff, because he knows it's poison.

Just sayin'

 

[mwplefty]

I'd LIKE them too, but I'm not going to complain to the government and force regulation on them (unlike SOME people). I'm an adult, and I can make my own decisions. I'd prefer that they display the amount of nicotine in e-cigs clearer, but at the same time, they aren't obligated or required to do so.

 

[NancyR]

........ Many sell nicotine in 24mg-48mg-72mg and 100mg/ml concentrations, which could be very dangerous if used without diluting it significantly..... Not to mention the potential problems if a child got hold of a bottle of either nicotine or even strong e-liquid mixture. They could seriously poison themselves or die!

Thats all it will take is one person to do something stupid with nicotine, and that will be the perfect excuse for corrupt politicians to use in order to push for a ban on e-cigs in their state or even nationally(eventually). Many of these people on both sides are willing to pander to the tobacco companies in exchange for donations, future cushy jobs, or outright bribes!

So its in everyone's interest for the dealers of these products to be very careful and work hard to educate potential customers on the dangers of nicotine....

A couple of your points I would like to comment on, the first being 24 mg nic does not need to be diluted before vaping. If it did, about half the forum members, myself included, would already be dead from nic poisoning.

Secondly, it is not up to all of us to make sure someone else child is safe, the information is already out there for them so do you really think having it printed on one more page will make a bad parent a good one?

You go on to say it is up to the dealers to educate people, hmmm it hasn't worked with anything else yet. We still have people killed every year due to things like hair driers and radios in showers and baths, but yet electrical safety is taught as young as 1st grade. Gun safety gets taught all over the world and how many people get killed each year from unsafe handling of a firearm?

While yes I do believe people need to be informed, I know the information is already there, it is all around them every day, but bottom line is you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved from General E-Smoking Discussion to General E-Liquid Discussion

 

[base234]

When I went over to the DIY forum here, the first thing I saw at the top of the main page there were warnings about the dangers of excessive or irresponsible nicotine use/mixing. But I dont see hardly any of that at the dealers' sites. Many sell nicotine in 24mg-48mg-72mg and 100mg/ml concentrations, which could be very dangerous if used without diluting it significantly..... Not to mention the potential problems if a child got hold of a bottle of either nicotine or even strong e-liquid mixture. They could seriously poison themselves or die!

Thats all it will take is one person to do something stupid with nicotine, and that will be the perfect excuse for corrupt politicians to use in order to push for a ban on e-cigs in their state or even nationally(eventually). Many of these people on both sides are willing to pander to the tobacco companies in exchange for donations, future cushy jobs, or outright bribes!

So its in everyone's interest for the dealers of these products to be very careful and work hard to educate potential customers on the dangers of nicotine....

Since you are so passionate about this subject, why aren't you busy contacting all the juice vendors you can find to deliver this message to them? Are you just going to post it on ECF and expect us to do it? Get busy! Tell them you want skulls and crossbones on all their products and on their websites!

 

[Racehorse]

I would like to say that so far, most all the juice vendors I deal with have done, and are doing, a great job. In every aspect.

When I went over to the DIY forum here, the first thing I saw at the top of the main page there were warnings about the dangers of excessive or irresponsible nicotine use/mixing.

I think people buying juice are well aware of the warning. I think it's good to put on the bottles simply because IF a pet or child did injest it, then poison control center would know what they took and be able to treat them. Same as having a prescription bottle available. Please understand that this is WHY it would be important for labelling. The more information you have when something bad happens (and it will) the better able medical personnel can care for a person.

People get all offended by this, and I have no idea why. It's not the same as "this coffee is hot" at mcdonalds. It's necessary product labelling in case of an emergency. If you don't know you just swallowed something, then medical personnel can't give you the right antidote. You get bit by a snake, best to get hold of that snake or identify the kind.....because your hospital is going to be able to treat you better.

I have no idea why people "balk" at this labelling thing. It may be a matter of life and death for somebody out there. You think everyone knows what eliquid and vaping is? They don't. Just because WE know and therefore think the labelling is silly, is an irresponsible way of thinking, IMHO.


What I do worry about is shipping DIY nic thru the mail, and vendors who are not going to purchase "object-specific packaging materials" for this. Something leak proof, and that closes around the different size bottles. Pure nic , leaking out all over the postman's legs or hands, is simply not safe. E-liquids that are pre mixed is less of a problem, since they are already diluted.....but still, who wants that on them?.

There's a ton of packaging available for every industrial / commerical use on the planet...and the rules for shipping liquids via USPS are clear.

Once the mom&pop aspect of this biz wanes, you will see liquid vendors paying for full lab reports, etc. Several vendors are already either paying for this or are gearing up to do it......as an added assurance to their customers of what the heck they are inhaling into their lungs.

I don't think being overly paranoid is the answer. I WANT to be an informed customer. Right now, I don't buy juice from anyone if they don't tell me a lot about their juice and their operation. I want to know what juices have diacetyls, etc. Where it is mixed (preferrably, off site facility or onsite facility dedicated to this endeavor).

I see people advertising juice in the classies and vg/pg % is unknown. That should be on the label. It doens't swap or sell because of that, many times.

 

[Racehorse]

Since you are so passionate about this subject, why aren't you busy contacting all the juice vendors you can find to deliver this message to them? Are you just going to post it on ECF and expect us to do it? Get busy! Tell them you want skulls and crossbones on all their products and on their websites!

There's a topic called What we want juice vendors to know. Or something like that. You will be suprised at how many people are interested in aspects of juice, labelling, etc. so don't throw this member under the bus.

 

[recidivus]

Sigh, here's my 2-bits. If you require more labelling and warnings on DIY you shouldn't be looking at trying it. I may be in the minority on this view, and it's just a personal opinion.

All DIY vendors I have looked into have warnings on their sites, there's warnings on DIY instructions, there's warnings on premix, warnings on kits that don't even have juice. There's only so many warnings you can put on something before it becomes redundant.

Again, personal opinion, people should stop putting their misunderstanding of a well known toxic chemical on others.

And keep your chemicals out of reach of kids, same as you would with a cigarette and same as you would with a bottle of bleach.

/shrug. It's just common sense.

*ed: I don't want to come off as harsh or anything, I just don't feel MORE is required at this point.

you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink

 

[base234]

There's a topic called What we want juice vendors to know. Or something like that. You will be suprised at how many people are interested in aspects of juice, labelling, etc. so don't throw this member under the bus.

I'm not throwing him under the bus. Every juice I have is labeled with warnings. Every website I order from has plenty of warnings. This subject has been discussed many times. If the OP doesn't think the vendor precautions are adequate, then don't order from them and contact them and tell them what you think. Simple solution...