I see constant forums of people saying they have up to 10 years worth of mods and nicotine and diy juices. But my concern is, should I be doing it too? I have already took my share at researching to make my own juices, but I feel like I have more faith that others. Should I start stocking up major time?
Should I be stocking up?
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It's really up to you. Me I'm preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. Just a few days left so better make up your mind lol. Worst case scenario all that will be on the shelf are your cigga likes
I am in Canada and stocked up along time ago. So far our country is favorable towards vape but it can change in a hurry trying to protect our darling, sweet and innocent children and teenagers. LOL Can always sell it all off if I quit vaping down the road. Much rather be prepared and quit on my own terms than my government ordering me what to do. I believe the United States date is Aug 8th. CHEERS!
Decision day was 2 years ago. The regulations start in August
For DIY, NO ONE KNOWS if/when the FDA will try to clamp down on Nic sales. Most people just think it's bound to happen.
For everything else - literally, almost everything, including mods and liquids and atomizers and tanks...they will START to get harder to buy and sell in phases- starting 8/8/16, and then getting substantially worse two years later.
For everything else - literally, almost everything, including mods and liquids and atomizers and tanks...they will START to get harder to buy and sell in phases- starting 8/8/16, and then getting substantially worse two years later.
Many states are adding taxes and making new rules regarding vape products. If you know your state is not considering any of this then you will only be facing the Federal Regulations which are effectively a ban on vapour products.
Higher prices and diminishing supplies, as well as manufacturers unwilling to ship to people due to seizures. When folks don't get what they order they normally don't want to pay. The manufacturers and retailers will not take the losses for long. They will simply stop shipping to the country.
Even for me, not even living in the U.S. but Canada, I must consider that any product I buy that comes out of or through the U.S. might be affected. The FDA screws with more than just Americans. They also set an example for other countries to follow, in this case it's a very BAD example. Cheers.
Higher prices and diminishing supplies, as well as manufacturers unwilling to ship to people due to seizures. When folks don't get what they order they normally don't want to pay. The manufacturers and retailers will not take the losses for long. They will simply stop shipping to the country.
Even for me, not even living in the U.S. but Canada, I must consider that any product I buy that comes out of or through the U.S. might be affected. The FDA screws with more than just Americans. They also set an example for other countries to follow, in this case it's a very BAD example. Cheers.
I bought a bunch of devices last winter during the holiday sales. I think I have enough for a worst case scenario. I'm now building up my supply of tanks, some with RBAs and some with easily rebuilt factory coils. Yesterday I bought another liter of 100mg/ml nicotine base.
It could be the end of easily available equipment and juice. As the Boy Scout motto says "Be Prepared".
It could be the end of easily available equipment and juice. As the Boy Scout motto says "Be Prepared".
I would if i were you.
Start laying in Nicotine.
Then lay in mods and Atomizers, then get flavors. And then possibly wire.
Right now nicotine is the most urgent.
Don't "panic" shop. Be methodical in your choice of what to buy. Nicotine as mentioned is probably in the most danger of being unavailable though no one knows for certain, but does appear that would be a good choke point for the industry. Stay within a budget and look for sales. There are plenty of good prices to be had on equipment.
Re: Regulators and the compliance fallacy – buying 99% nicotine e-liquid from China
Vaping Bans
Different strokes for different folks.
THE DEEMING LAWS FOR VAPE PRODUCTS
ECF: @Tommy-Chi
FDA DEEMING RULES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressivly regulated or taxed.)
ECF: @Tommy-Chi
FDA DEEMING RULES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU
--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market
THE RESPONSE
--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers
THE WHY
ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressivly regulated or taxed.)
Jesus. Thank you so much. I needed the simplified version. I guess this is about the end for us.
There are two pending pieces of legislation before Congress. HR2058 and the Cole Bishop Amendment. There are also a slew of lawsuits. Go to the CASAA website and register to stay informed.
Some of these will derail the FDA. We really do not know what is going to happen at this time. It is anyones guess.
What people on ECF are doing is stocking up. The most important thing to do right now is to get in to DIY (there is a DIY section on ECF) and learn how to make your own e-liquids. It is not that hard and we think we can muster through, but you need to buy nicotine. The most dense recommended storage right now is 100mg/ml.
I buy Nude Nicotine Armor v2, and place it in the freezer. There are other manufacturers and YMMV.
Thank you so much. I just got all my DIY things and have a few mech mods in addition to my vv/vw devices. Hoping to be able to continue in the long run. Now, the question is, does this mean availability to Fasttech will be illegal or off limits
The PMTA is the big threat over the next two years. They have two years to file for a PMTA. But this is where it gets tricky...
Devices on the market after 2007 but before 8/8/2016 are going to have to pass PMTAs at a cost of more than $1 million per product. That means for ea e-liquid flavor 3mg, 6mg, 9mg, 12mg, ..., and ea device mod/rda/rdta/tank/ ..., it will cost $1M+ to stay on the market. Where will prices be at the end of all of this is anyone's guess.
FT and all other manufacturers have to file for ea product a PMTA to the FDA. If the OBJECT does not pass the PMTA process, it must be withdrawn from the market and is not to be sold in the US. What products will be on the market for purchase is anyone's guess.
We do not know who is willing to pay the $1M at this time and go through the process for any products, and who would pass if they submit to the process.
Those who have been trying to stay ahead of this think that product scarcity will become the norm as manufacturers pull products in fear of being litigated by FDA & US Federal Govt.
I do not know of a comprehensive database as to what products were on the market before 2007.
Vaping is not dead. You can buy now, and until products either pass a PMTA or are pulled, which could be any date btw now and two years out.
All of the information that I have given is to the best of my knowledge correct.
We are waiting to see what the Bills and litigation brings.
All of the information that I have given is to the best of my knowledge correct.
We are waiting to see what the Bills and litigation brings.
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