SI vs Ego Threading

[UncLeJunkLe]

HI all. I hope it is OK to post this in this forum. I need help figuring out if I am understand the info in my research thus far about the threading for SI stuff.

Lets start with the SI X2 and Spinner batts.

When people say that these batts are 808 threaded (KR808D1), they are referring to the smaller threading (male) close to the battery center post where you would screw on a cartomizer. This threading is not proprietary becasue it is 808. Is that correct?

However, the larger threading (also male) where you would screw on, a clearomizer (ie. Aspire ET, CE5, Vivi, etc) is not considered 808 threading. It is considered Vgo threading, which is in fact proprietary threading as it is only found in SI equipment. Is this correct?

Now the Ego/510 batts

So then with an Ego/510 pen style battery, when people refer to 510 threading on these batteries, they are referring to the smaller inner threading (which is female, not male like SI's 808 threads) where you would thread on something like a cartomizer. Is this correct?

And when they refer to Ego threading, they are referring to the larger, outer set of threads on the battery (male, just like SI/Vgo) that you would use to screw on a clearomizer like an Aspire ET, CE5, Vivi, etc. Is this correct?


Thanx in advance.

 

[SteveI]

Yes,
No,
Yes, sort of
Yes.

Yes,808 is a standard, but far less common than 510.
No, I do not believe the outer threading is proprietary. It is technically the same as the ego threading, but the design of the 510/Ego is that the pin is "submerged" in the unit, whereas, the in 808/ego, the pin is almost flush on top. If you use an ego clearo made for 510, the pin sticks out very far to provide clearance to touch the 510 pin.
Sort of, in addition, many of the bigger tanks use 510, like the nautilus. It actually looks funny since it is so large, with the tiny little 510 connector sticking out of the bottom.
Yes.. I would think that Ego is the way to go, but obviously I am wrong, since it seems like more high end tanks and clearos still use 510 versus the ego threading.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

OK, so a clarification. Are the SI batts (like the Spinner and X2) considered Vgo or not? I'm wondering because I want to try to find an adapter that I can use to attach a ego clearo to an SI batt as well as an SI clearo to an ego batt. I would rather try to find an adapter that fits on the outer threading rather the inner threading of an SI batt, so I want to know what terms to search for. I already know that if I search for an ego to 808 adapter I will get an adapter that screws to the smaller 808 threads but I would rather go with one that screws to the outer threading if I can. Reason being is if it screws to the inner 808 threading, there would likely be a gap between the ego/510 clearo and the outter SI threads (unless of course I can find an adapter that covers that up even if it threads to the smaller 808 threads.

 

[charlzrocks]

I just checked a regular Aspire Maxi clearo (sans the coil) and it fits both my regular ego as well as the SI X2. I think that there is already an answer to this question on this forum. I will search for it!

 

[charlzrocks]

Here are some threads that I found that might point you in the right direction regarding adapters, etc. I just did a thread search.....

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokeless-image/398211-adapter-510-threaded-clearo-tanks.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-imagine-s_steve-thread-414.html#post11595057

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-imagine-s_steve-thread-403.html#post10624278

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-imagine-s_steve-thread-403.html#post10624563

 

[Grimwald]

Find an "808 to ego" adapter. (these are often out of stock so search around) You can use any thread cover that works on ego threads to cover the original ego (or as you are calling VGO) threads on the X2 battery.

 

[SteveI]

Just got my vamo , really loving it. I also got a 510 to 510 adaptor that has ego threading. My observations so far:

When I screw down my SI vivi nova, it seems to fit fine, screwing all the way down. However, it is not connecting at the middle pin. When I use the adaptor, I notice that the vivi is actually screwing down past the adaptor, and it is enough for the pin in the middle. It fired up beautifully.

On my ET, vivi mini, and maxi - they all behave the same way. They screw down all the way, but again, does not meet at the pin. When I use an adaptor on those, same problem. I honestly believe that if I used a regular vivi nova coil the extra length with be enough for them touch the battery to fire up. This is just my own observations, YMMV.

I have BVC coils coming in the mail, but it will be a couple of weeks before I can check them out. I expect them to be the same size as the vivi nova BDC coils. Time will tell.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

The only different between the aspire tanks SI ssells and what you can buy elsewhere is that SI's aspire line does not say Aspire on them, not even on the coil heads (which makes me wonder if in fact they are authentic aspire products) and the center pin on the coils is made for Si's 808 connections. You cannot buy these 808 coils from aspire or from anyone else as it is apparent that SI is having these made for them. ALl you have to do is go buy a regular Aspire BDC or BVC coil head and put it in your SI Aspire tank. This will now simply turn your SI Aspire tank into a regular 510 Aspire tank. But of course, you will need an ego batt with 510 and ego connections as it will no longer work on an SI batt.

This is what I'm doing now. As soon as my spinner dies, I won't be buying anymore stuff from SI other than volt cigalikes. They have proven to be unreliable with their higher-end stuff and since most if not all of us are ex-smokers, we need to be able to get our stuff when we need it. They lost me wen it comes to tanks and spinner and all ego stuff. I need the 510/ego connections becasue everyone sells that stuff. It's the standard.

SI really dropped the ball. They tried to lure people in with their stuff which is really no different than other people's stuff other than it's 808 threaded and they have great service, they force you into a relationship with them because no one carries 808/ego tanks and batts, but then they left us high and dry. Their loss.

On the other hand, if they decide to compete on the 510/ego market and start selling 510/ego stuff, I may buy from them becasue I do like the company.

 

[SteveI]

@cxm322.
I generally agree with everything you're saying, and the obvious frustration. My only caveat is that overall, SI sells quality and supports their product. The 510 universe is huge, and because [almost] everything comes from china, the old adage "let the buyer beware" is in full force. There is a comfort level in knowing what you get will be good quality, and if it fails, SI will honor. There are other good vendors, don't get me wrong, but there's a lot to doubt as well.

One more thing: if the volt battery ego threads were just a bit longer, all ego tanks could fit the SI threads. I think it was intentional to create a barrier to competition. This will backfire in the long run.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

As far as the business model they chose, I think it is a pretty good one as far as customer retention is concerned. You sell people something they need but you sell a "unique" version of a mass produced product so they kinda have to keep coming back to you. Make them want to stay with great service. Good model. But they dropped the ball because there is one ingredient a business model like this needs to have in such a business as ecigs....availability of product. Ecig sales is no different than cigarettes. You must have what people want 95% of the time or they will be forced to find another avenue because, well, ecigs are an addiction just like analog cigs.

As far as made in China ecig equipment, I can tell ya, man, it's really all the same. SI's stuff is really no different than any other products. They are all manufactured the same way by only a few manufacturers. All you have to do is have enough capital to have your batteries and other products branded with your own brand on it. If you have even more capital, you can have the product made slightly different with a bell here and a whistle there to stand yours out among the sea of others, but it's all the same thing. There really is no difference in quality between the SI Spinners and, say, Vision Spinners or eGo brand spinners. There really isn't. Only difference is the threading and the logo. Don't get me wrong, there is junk out there (I have never bought it but I have sen videos). But if you stick with the better name brands and you buy from sellers who don't undercut everyone and sell cheap clones, you'll be OK.

But service, that is where you will come out ahead if you want to cater to those who don't want to know a whole lot about vaping, They just want to replace it with analogs and have it be be as painless and simple as possible. But if you never have what they need, they will either go back to analogs or, like me, find another avenue that can supply my needs. The cigalike market is dying. Most people who try using them to transition from analogs fail. But the larger batts, especially the VV batts, that's where people really start seeing satisfaction and start dropping the analogs. That's what did it for me and that is what the industry is seeing as a whole whohc is why larger setups are very abundant this year. It makes it really easy if you can get over the fact that the devices are much larger than analogs. And this is where SI really dropped the ball. They got into the VV market, but they were unable to keep a supply of products that were needed to cater to addicts (let's face it, that is what this business is all about, addiction). They offer the batts and the tanks, but not the really important thing...the coil. It's like selling analogs but you never have any lighters. Sure, you can keep buying new tanks, but that gets too expensive too quickly. No coils? See ya!

They also dropped the ball, IMHO, by not yet offering glass clearomizers. Glass is the only way for me and many others and it is really the only "safer" way to vape. I will never buy a plastic clearo again. So even if SI did not drop the ball on the coils, they'd have eventually lost because all they have is plastic tanks.