Silver Bullet Info Needed

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paulishuku

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Hey everyone,

Going to buy a silver bullet as soon as they get them in stock again at altsmoke.com. However, I was reading somewhere on here that somoene went through a couple of atomizers when they got their first silver bullet. I plan to use my 510 atomizers with it when i get it. I clean them regularly. Is there anything I need to watch out for when I first start vaping at 6 volts with a Silver Bullet?

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Ummm, I'm sure you realize that it's intended for 3.7v vaping with an 18650 battery right? Given that, what batteries are you going to be using for 6v vaping? RCR123a's come in both flavors, 3.7v and 3.0v. Another thing with 510s is that they are the lowest resistance atomizers among the "regular" atomizers. Joye 510s usually measure at 2.2 - 2.3 ohms. So they're going to draw the most current, produce the most watts, and maybe the most likely to burn out... If you do find that you're toasting 510s at too high of a rate then you could try 901s. They usually run about 3.0 ohms so they draw a bit less and don't get quite so hot -- and maybe last a bit longer? If you haven't tried the LR (low resistance) atomizers at 3.7v you should do so. They will run from 1.5 to 1.8 ohms and start to approximate regular atomizers at 5 or 6v.

What to watch out for? Only use protected batteries. Never use unprotected Li-Ion batteries. If you use other (safer) chemistry batteries (which are not protected) make sure you understand how they work and how to care for and use them properly.
 
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Id use 3v batteries 16340 LIFEPO4's for 6v and not the ultrafire or trustfires 3.7's..
unless you want to vape a 7+ volts. too hot for me..

keep the attys real wet and take 2 to 3 second hits.

you might want to use HV 510s instead of regulars which i would advise doing..

also you can use the 18650 for 3 volt vaping with reg 510 which should last you at least a day or two before recharging.
 

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I'm wondering if it was my post that set paulishuku into a panic as I stated that I blew through 4 atty's within 20 minutes of my first 6v experience with my SB. No need to panic though, there are many great alternatives out there for atty's. Some prefer the high resistance atty's at 6v to level it out a bit. I've personally not used one as I'm stuck on the 510 mega cartomizers from nhaler.com as they run at 3.4 ohm. Gives a cooler hit and lasts one heck of a lot longer than normal atty's....then again I think anything above the 2.2 - 2.4 range would last a bit longer at 6v :D

The mega carto's on average last me just under a week of semi-heavy vaping. I keep them topped off pretty good though as its easy enough with their soft rubber caps. Other nice thing is they are only 10 bucks for 5 of 'em instead of 10 bucks for one normal atty!
 

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Ok good thing you guys posted. I bought 2 LIFEPO4 cr123A 3v batteries and a regular 18650 3.7v battery so I could vape at both.

I didnt realize I would need a HV Atomizer for the 6v. Can i get a link to a recommended one?

Thanks

EDIT, Yep it was g33k lol. Thank you for the site recommendation. I will be investing in some of those.
 
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You dont need a HV atty for 6v....unless you want less TH and such. I suggest using a regular 510 atty w the SB - and I also reccommend direct dripping, using some sort of drip-tip.

My usual regimin w my SB is 2 lifepo4 3v batts, regular 510 atty, driptip and I drip 4 drops in, vape til vapor drops off a lil, then 3-4 more drops. I tend to take super long drags so I sometimes drip 5 drops if heavy poofin is in order!

I have been using this style for almost a year w my SB and have had NO atty failures yet. I have only lost abt a dozen attys since last June, and most became clogged from thicker juices using 3.7v on other devices.

My setup of choice with the SB, as mentioned above, has brought me HOURS upon HOURS of vaping enjoyment....good luck with ur new toy- Im sure youll be VERY hapy when you finally get it! :)
 

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I didnt realize I would need a HV Atomizer for the 6v. Can i get a link to a recommended one?

You don't have to use a HV atomizer. You might want to use a HV atomizer. It all depends on your personal preference.

Voltage and resistance determine current and current through a resistor produces watts/heat. So it depends on the heat you prefer.

Here's a link to one of many Ohm's laws calculators. You can plug in a voltage and a resistance and it will tell you the current it would draw and the watts produced. Ohm's Law Calculator

You basically have 3 choices for battery power.

3.7v that your 18650 will give you. Those charge up to about 4.2 volts and quickly drop to 3.9/3.8v. You can vape down to something like 3.5? volts where it cuts off I think. So for these batteries you might want to plug in 3.9v or 4v into the calculator.

The 3v batteries you have will charge to 3.6v and you're not supposed to run them down lower than 2.5v or something. Note: there is no protection circuit built into the battery to shut them off. The charger will stop charging them at 3.6v but there is nothing to stop you from discharging them below the minimum voltage. If you run them down below 2.2v or something like that there is a very good chance they won't take a charge again and they're ruined. I assume you will notice the dramatic reduction in performance as you go below 3v. With these batteries you could plug maybe 6.5 into the calculator.

If you use 2 3.7v CR123s then you'd be generating more than 7v and you'd put that in.

Now you can choose atomizers... by resistance.

LR atomizers -- 1.5 to 1.8 ohms
Joye 510 atomizers -- 2.2 to 2.4 ohms
Other 510 atomizers -- 2.5 ohms?
901 atomizers and KR808D cartomizers -- 3.0 to 3.3 ohms
HV atomizers -- 3.5, 4.5, 5.2? whatever ohms.

Plug these resistances into the calculator and you can do a relative comparison of watts (heat) and find a combination that's to your liking. Some people like some juices hotter and some cooler, PG vs VG, drip vs cartomizers, etc.

There are limits. I would not expect a LR atomizer to last very long at all at 6v. If it didn't burn out immediately I would expect it to burn the juice rather than vaporize it :) Regular 510s may or may not do so well at 6v either. I seem to get a solid 3 or 4 days out of my 901s at 6-7v although I suspect I'm rather hard on them. There does seem to be a huge variance in atomizer life. Some only last a day or less and some way more than a week and I think I'm using them all about the same... Here is a chart I copied from somebody's thread on here (hope they don't mind my posting it again). A whole lot of people seem to find a Joye 510 at 5v to be their sweet spot. You could use that as a sort of reference point for watts and go from there. The chart gives you some sort of reference for how much difference something might make. It's all personal preference, the juice you prefer, etc.

An inexpensive digital multimeter is a useful investment to measure your batteries, check you charger, measure atomizer resistance (yes, they vary a bit from one to the next) and you can use it for all sorts of other things around the house :)

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Ok good thing you guys posted. I bought 2 LIFEPO4 cr123A 3v batteries and a regular 18650 3.7v battery so I could vape at both.

I didnt realize I would need a HV Atomizer for the 6v.
Can i get a link to a recommended one?

Thanks

EDIT, Yep it was g33k lol. Thank you for the site recommendation. I will be investing in some of those.
Well the fact is you won't be vaping at 6V anyway. Those LiPO's are gonna give you about 5.18 loaded volts with a Joye atty, and that's fresh off the charger. You'll be under 5V within minutes.
 

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Well the fact is you won't be vaping at 6V anyway. Those LiPO's are gonna give you about 5.18 loaded volts with a Joye atty, and that's fresh off the charger. You'll be under 5V within minutes.

well, umm, errr, yea. Forgot about that part. It also depends on your battery's capability to deliver the amount of current the atomizer is attempting to draw :). You know, AW has some RCR123a LiFePos that have a max discharge rate of 5Amps. Those would be delivering close to their resting voltage.
 
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