Smokers need not apply

[Oriana871]

Another kick in the .... for the dirty inhalers - I highly doubt vaping would be exempt from this.

Smokers need not apply | The Current with Anna Maria Tremonti | CBC Radio

 

[BuzzKilla]

This is what is wrong with society.... more segregation and prejudice.

I hate the smell of smoke just as much as the next person. but, wouldn't it be hypocritical of us as vapers to support something like this?


by this example, we should be allowed to employ a vegan only office environment, because someone may dislike or be offended by the smell of red meats or fish...

*rage*

 

[Regzzz]

Grrrrrrr , fuming, grrrrrrrr... I don't swear often... but things like this would make me post lost of swear words... so I'll just breathe, refrain from posting, and go look at LOL cats....

 

[StarDose]

I saw that on the news awhile ago and apparently they are taking a chance of getting sued so said the reporter of the one I saw on it.

 

[farmer_bric]

This is what is wrong with society.... more segregation and prejudice.

I hate the smell of smoke just as much as the next person. but, wouldn't it be hypocritical of us as vapers to support something like this?


by this example, we should be allowed to employ a vegan only office environment, because someone may dislike or be offended by the smell of red meats or fish...

*rage*

Couldn't agree more! There are a lot of "smells & things" I don't like, but I've come to the point of live and let live

 

[froghammer]

It's a bit disingenuous to say this is about smells and things. It's about loss of productivity (money).

When I smoked it bothered ME that I was getting less done than non-smokers due to my many breaks. Wanna know why? I'm self-employed.

Although, I think there's something to be said for taking some more small breaks through the day. Often it was getting away from the computer that allowed me the breathing room (pun sort of intended...) to solve a problem or come up with a new idea. But I work in a creative pursuit, so that helped me.

 

[RaymondK]

In Canada, employer always worry about being sue when they let go an employee. Now it will be cool to see that employer will get sue even before they hire an employee!!!

 

[Smile n' shine]

I agree with this policy in regards to people who work in health care.
But, I think it's a fragile line for all occupations across the board. If they are going to discriminate against smokers, then
they should do so for other addictions including alcohol consumption (casual lunch drinks too).
FYI, I laughed about the extra sick days mentioned in the article.
This can't be a researched fact....the people with the most sick days are usually those with small children. Maybe they should
discriminate against individuals who have kids under 12....the list goes on.

 

[Oriana871]

I agree with this policy in regards to people who work in health care.
But, I think it's a fragile line for all occupations across the board. If they are going to discriminate against smokers, then
they should do so for other addictions including alcohol consumption (casual lunch drinks too).
FYI, I laughed about the extra sick days mentioned in the article.
This can't be a researched fact....the people with the most sick days are usually those with small children. Maybe they should
discriminate against individuals who have kids under 12....the list goes on.

Exactly what I think. They are prying into private lives, ie. employees can't smoke AT ALL, even at home or socially. If they're going to go that far, than they should do drug, alcohol, nicotine and junk food tests. I wouldn't work for anyone that told me what I can and can not do in my private life. Period.

 

[IT_guy]

Don't even get me started. My employer (healthcare) is making all campuses in our region smoke free July 1. All smokers , employees AND patients must leave the property to go for a smoke. Patients will have to sign a waiver when they go out for a smoke!

As the resident vaper, I was asked to educate a member on the "stop-smoking" committee to see if it was something they could get behind. Well it must not have went over too well b/c when they emailed out the posters they will be putting up there was no mention of vaping as an alternative. The posters only mentioned that the campuses will become tobacco free so I take that as a wink and a nod that's its OK but I still have big issues with it.

I don't consider myself a smoker but I can still identify with them and as long as its not illegal people should be allowed to smoke. The higher ups bill it as trying to help people become healthier but even that doesn't really make sense. In my informal observation there are far more obese employees than smokers but they would never ban the junk food vending machines or deep fried food from the cafeteria BC there would be a far louder out cry.

And as far as patients go BC its public healthcare its not like they can choose to go to a hospital with a more lenient smoking policy. They have to come to us and abide by our smoking policy, I have a big problem with this especially since the taxes on cigarettes pay a big portion of our budget.

/rant

 

[Oriana871]

I'ill bet on it that vaping will be lumped into the same category. This is hard core - vapers are not helping the anti-smoking campaign. We "still smoke", as an acquaintance pointed out the other day. That's a powerful perspective because it houses those who are ignorant, as well as those you are nazis. At the very least, we may be doing harm to ourselves (but alas, there are other more hazardousn and fun ways to do that ).

I personally wouldn't even engage with a company with the above policy. I also would be leery of wishful thinking - I would show support and fight for individuals rights, but I wouldn't chant "vaping" as an acceptable substitute to those with closed ears.

 

[Kagey K]

I'ill bet on it that vaping will be lumped into the same category. This is hard core - vapers are not helping the anti-smoking campaign. We "still smoke", as an acquaintance pointed out the other day. That's a powerful perspective because it houses those who are ignorant, as well as those you are nazis. At the very least, we may be doing harm to ourselves (but alas, there are other more hazardousn and fun ways to do that ).

I personally wouldn't even engage with a company with the above policy. I also would be leery of wishful thinking - I would show support and fight for individuals rights, but I wouldn't chant "vaping" as an acceptable substitute to those with closed ears.

I would disagree with these 3 words more then anything. We do not smoke. There is no fire, so therefore no smoke. No plants burning, no chemicals burning, because what comes out of out mouth looks like smoke doesn't mean it's smoke. Even my 4 year old son knows that. We were lying in bed the other day and he asked me not to steam. While we are out and about he can see, smell and differentiate smoke with none of my coaching, direction or education.

We are nicotine users not smokers. For them to discriminate against us they would also have to discriminate against Nicorette and patch users as well as whatever other Nicotine delivery devices they have.

Not hiring a person due to weather they smoke is discrimination though and I do not approve.

If we as a society have decided that addiction is a disease and we cannot discriminate against it then shouldn't all addictions be covered by that? Alcohol, drugs, nicotine, caffeine, food, sex. Yet only 2 of those are "legit diseases" it seems and with drugs it's only if you are on the hard ones.

All employers have the choice to not hire if they see a blatant alcoholic or drug abuser in front of them, they just can't use that as a reasoning for not hiring. To make an anti smoking hiring policy is publicly segregating a minority part of the population.

It's also goes against one of our basic freedoms. The right to choose.

 

[froghammer]

Sadly, the thing that makes vaping so effective for us happens to be the biggest roadblock in terms of it being understood. I'm sure everybody would admit that to most everyone, it looks like we're smoking. Once that decision has been made in someone's mind, it's tough to reverse.

 

[Oriana871]

Yes exactly, I will repeat: we are not helping the anti-smoking campaign. Doesn't matter whether it's smoke or steam or whatever. And the smokers could also say, hey that's not fair, they get to vape, why can't I smoke.

Putting myself in their shoes, I know that vaping would be viewed as a lesser evil but an evil nonetheless.

 

[fourtytwo]

I agree. I think the optics are very important.
I know a few people who do not smoke cigarettes but do have an occasional cigar. They do not consider themselves smokers.
Is it a matter of degrees or is it simply black or white? Does it look like smoking?
If I am standing there and take a big pull off a tubular device and then exhale a big plume of vapour, it looks like I am smoking. We know that it is not and can try to educate others about vaping but it still LOOKS like smoking...

I have mentioned it here in another thread but I believe our need for big thick plumes of vapour is not serving us well.
A lot of reviews for liquid and devices stress the production vapour as a desired thing. Is this really important or is it just drawing undesired attention?
Does a blind vaper who cannot see the vapour get less of a vaping experiance???

 

[BuzzKilla]

someone is jelly of extreme production of vaporz

and yes, there is a great sensation in the throat when exhaling very thick vapor... at least i seem to feel it.

 

[fourtytwo]

I like the vapour as well but I have also had juices had less vapour and very good throat hit.

 

[stillnotsmoking]

Just what we need, more people out of work and relying on the govt. This will surely end up in court.

 

[Esharp]

What next, smoking is not a crime! I guess from this that it's OK to be prejudice. This one will be going to court for sure.

 

[fourtytwo]

I would like to see a test case on this in Canada.