So happy: 510 T is everything I hoped for and more!

[vaporbird]

Listen, I used to love to smoke, I started in college and smoked unfiltered luckies. I loved the taste, but mostly I loved the smoke itself: playing with it in my mouth, standing outside on a rainy day bonding with other smokers. I smoked for two years, about 10 a day, but when I moved to NYC, and then shortly after they banned smoking...everywhere... I forced myself to "grow up" and chewed nicorette to quit. It worked since I was not that addicted.

For the next 4 years I did not smoke, but from time to time I'd buy a cigarette and try it trying to get that old feeling back-- But, it never worked! The smoke just made me cough and feel sick. I'de become a real heath nut, running every day, eating right, and smoking was just gone for me. It tasted bad, and I couldn't enjoy it even if I tried. (Not a bad "problem" to have I guess. I promised myself if I made it to age 90 I'd take up smoking again... seriously.)

Then a few years later I found out about e-cigarettes: I could have the ***smoke*** but no nicotine(unless I wanted it) and no tar gumming up my loungs. All this with minimal risk. I ordered a Joy 510 T just a few weeks ago and I'm very happy! I bought some 3mg e-juice and 0mg e-juice which I mix, though I mostly go with 0mg. I smoke about 20-30 "puffs" a day, I often skip days.

The flavors are so much fun!
I love how I can take just one "puff" and then put it away (no need to try to save half a cigarette) -- I love the little light at the end: one of mine is purple the other is blue! I have one manual and one automatic and I find both of them so much fun.

I went to a movie today and after the film went out to smoke, it was so nice to be back with the smokers! I really missed that social aspect of smoking. They really liked my e-cig too, fun times.

I bet I'm alone, but it always made me so sad to see smoking go, it's so romantic. I love the profile of a fellow with a thin line of smoke drifting from under the brim of his hat--- or the way smoke makes drinking so much more fun-- I hope that e-cigs become HUGE. Not just as a quitting device, but as a way to keep in touch with the past. Anyway, I think most people have been trained to think of smoking as "gross" and that's fine since it's deadly, I even agree with the anti-smoking laws and taxes. The end of smoking in bars in NYC was a BIG factor in me quitting, so the laws made a difference in my life and the lives of others I know.

But, if e-cigs are reasonably safe (no more deadly than say... eating bacon, and that seems very li) then I think it'd be great if they had a higher profile. It'd bring back so much magic.

Anyway, I joined here to learn more.

If I'm not a heavy smoker but I want to get an even greater volume of smoke what sort of changes can I make to the 510 T to make this happen? I'm quite impressed with how much smoke I get as it is, but what if I want to be greedy?

Thanks!

 

[El Diablo Marrón]

I also like the social aspect of smoking, a few year back i had quit cold turkey and stayed off them for almost a year.
I never craved them, but i missed my friends at work who where smokers.
The non smokers who went to the breakroom mostly are book readers. or are people i choose not to talk to.
So i started hanging out with the smokers outside... and after a few months I slowly started again.
But now i vape while they smoke..and i can smell their smoke and it makes me glad i vape.
Black mamba liquid and cola flavored liquid smell much nicer than smoke.

 

[Mindfield]

Welcome to the forum!

There may be some who don't agree with someone going with an E-cig who doesn't (currently) smoke for social or recreational purposes, but I think we all had our own reasons to start smoking in the first place, and I don't really see harm if you're going with little to no nicotine. I was a thoroughly addicted smoker, though not particularly heavy -- the common pack-a-day smoker, so this became my out from tobacco.

The 510 is a fun device; no matter how much I love my eGos and ProVari I still like slim E-cigs periodically for that feel of having something more cigarette-like. I could never get into the tanks though, but that's mainly because they never really provided the flavour and throat hit that I required to keep me away from cigarettes.

The way to get more vapor is to increase the ratio of vegetable glycerine (VG). VG is thicker and provides thicker, more lingering vapor. However, with a 510 or eGo tank system, you can't really increase the VG content to more than, say, 30% VG (and I'd recommend 20% max to be safe) or you start getting burnt, dry hits because the tank system can't handle the viscosity of thicker juices with more VG. For that you need to go with a decent cartomizer like the Boge, or a CE2 style cartomizer.

 

[vaporbird]

Ah-- thanks. I didn't know about the PG/VG thing, I ordered 100% VG with my 510, so I have no way of telling if it's burnt or too low in flavor-- I did order some PG so soon enough I can try the PG and see what the difference is.

As far as if it is "right" to smoke or not I think that smoking has been really heavily moralized. This makes sense for analog cigarettes considering their high mortality rates, but for some reason the moralism has attached to the act of smoking -- this also made sense because one of the things that draws people to smoke is smoking other (Hollywood manufactured) image.

Being able to separate the act from the risk (for the most part) changes everything.

 

[dormouse]

Grats!!!

And just a note - never use the 510-T charger cable on any batteries other than 510-T auto batteries. The 510-T charging cable can damage normal 510 batteries and Ego batteries. You can use other normal (like Joye brand) 510 batteries with your tank atty and tanks (or cartomizers etc) but not with your charging cable, so if you ever buy any buy a charging cable too and label your cables.

 

[mooreted]

I don't see any problem with vaping for purely recreational reasons. This is not a medical device. I like smoking and I like nicotine so vaping is perfect for me. There are other people here that vape 0mg juice so you're not alone.

 

[Mindfield]

Ah-- thanks. I didn't know about the PG/VG thing, I ordered 100% VG with my 510, so I have no way of telling if it's burnt or too low in flavor-- I did order some PG so soon enough I can try the PG and see what the difference is.

Straight VG can work if it's thinned with demineralized water, vodka (80 proof to a max of maybe 20%) and/or pure grain alcohol (to a max of maybe 5%). The latter two will impart a warmth and a bit of alcoholic hit to the flavour, however, while the former can make your juices taste a bit watery depending on how much you use. It's actually all about the viscosity not necessarily the fact that a lot of VG is present, as some VG comes pre-thinned. (The VG I got from RTS Vapes for example is much thinner than the stuff I buy locally, which is pretty much as thick as pancake syrup.) If the liquid seems relatively thin then it'll work in tanks, but if it's thick it'll have a lot of trouble making it down the needle tube inside the atomizer, a bit like trying to drink a milkshake with a cocktail straw.

However, VG does tend to mute flavour regardless, while PG is a much better carrier for that, so when you get juices, try something with just 20-30% VG and the rest PG, and I think you'll notice a fair bit of difference in the flavour. Throat hit too, but since you're vaping next no to nicotine this won't really make a difference for you.

As far as if it is "right" to smoke or not I think that smoking has been really heavily moralized. This makes sense for analog cigarettes considering their high mortality rates, but for some reason the moralism has attached to the act of smoking -- this also made sense because one of the things that draws people to smoke is smoking other (Hollywood manufactured) image.

Being able to separate the act from the risk (for the most part) changes everything.

True enough, though around here there's another factor involved: Having E-cigs associated with recreational use. This comes from past interference attempts by the FDA that in part included the excuse that E-cigs may attract non-smokers to take up the habit and thus E-cigs are eeevil and should be treated as a drug under the FDA's iron-fisted control. Notwithstanding that anyone could go buy smoking cessation products that contained nicotine right off store shelves, but the FDA's arguments have never been particularly coherent or sensible when they were just trying to cover for the true motive that they just wanted absolute control over the industry so they could make fistfuls of money off of it.

But the result has been that many here don't want E-cigs associated with recreational use as it gives the ANTZ (anti-nicotine and tobacco zealots) fodder to say, "See? SEE? Even non-smokers are smoking these eeeeevil electronic ciggie things!" It's a sentiment I can share to a certain degree, but at the same time it's a bit of a silly thing to worry about as you'll never be able to stop people from using them as such, and if someone is going to pick something up to use as a recreational habit I'd much rather it be an E-cig than a real cigarette.

 

[vaporbird]

Grats!!!

And just a note - never use the 510-T charger cable on any batteries other than 510-T auto batteries. The 510-T charging cable can damage normal 510 batteries and Ego batteries. You can use other normal (like Joye brand) 510 batteries with your tank atty and tanks (or cartomizers etc) but not with your charging cable, so if you ever buy any buy a charging cable too and label your cables.

Wow. Thanks. I didn't know that. So, the best idea is to just stick to 510 T batteries... and swap the atties? I bought a regular 510 atty, regular carts and a drip tip to experiment a bit. I was going to put them on the 510 T battery.

 

[vaporbird]

But the result has been that many here don't want E-cigs associated with recreational use as it gives the ANTZ (anti-nicotine and tobacco zealots) fodder to say, "See? SEE? Even non-smokers are smoking these eeeeevil electronic ciggie things!" It's a sentiment I can share to a certain degree, but at the same time it's a bit of a silly thing to worry about as you'll never be able to stop people from using them as such, and if someone is going to pick something up to use as a recreational habit I'd much rather it be an E-cig than a real cigarette.

I suspected as much. It sounds more like tobacco companies are scared that young people will never bother with their products and go directly to the much less expensive less harmful e-cigs. What if I had been able to buy e-cigs back in 2000 when I started smoking? I might have never experienced real tobacco at all. I'd THINK that would be a good thing. Right?

Also: I think there are some people who have gotten so focused on eliminating the ritual of smoking from culture they have forgotten the reason why they wanted to do it in the first place. The thought of something that is "just like a cigarette" but without the risks sort-of runs around their whole game.

I don't think it is realistic to pretend that people won't use it for recreation. Smoking has a long and storied history in human culture. It had to be stopped because of the health reasons, I think we all agree with that, but I for one think it's wonderful if we can keep the symbolic act of smoking without the risks. I'm looking forward to better studies, but I also think I'lll stockpile my own stash, if the right politicians gets in office and if their pockets have been lined by the right people it could all vanish pretty quickly.

But let me leave you with a project I have been thinking of since I discovered this product. My grandfather has a pipe carved by his grandfather who was a slave in the tobacco fields. He would smoke it when he told me the stories of what it was like during slavery. We used to share the pipe but he stopped doing that when he found out how bad smoke was. (he was in denial until the 80s, poor old guy) If I have kids some day I want to do the same, maybe I can find a way modify the pipe so it won't be real smoke. The stem is detachable, though naturally I don't want to change it permanently. Even better e-smoke won't causes the pipe to deteriorate! (I can just hear some people hitting the roof at the thought of handing a kid even a fake pipe-- and I... just... really... don't... care. ) I would not do this unless there were studies that *proved* the safety of e-smoke, that won't come for some years anyway. And I don't even have kids... But, my family isn't the only one with pipe rituals. Some native Americans have pipe rituals that are much much older than ours. Why not make theses safe while retaining the correct feel? (I don't presume to know if any native Americans would like this idea or not.)

I think there are so many positive uses for this. It's an example of technology getting it right for once, now if they could only make a cupcake that doesn't make one chubby I'd be so happy!

 

[Mindfield]

I suspected as much. It sounds more like tobacco companies are scared that young people will never bother with their products and go directly to the much less expensive less harmful e-cigs. What if I had been able to buy e-cigs back in 2000 when I started smoking? I might have never experienced real tobacco at all. I'd THINK that would be a good thing. Right?

The real problem is that the vast majority of the ANTZ make no functional distinction between tobacco and nicotine -- heck, even the average person more often than not equates nicotine with tobacco as if they were the same thing, because everyone has been hearing for years that nicotine is addictive and cigarettes have it. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. It's a simple and easily packaged concept follows Occam's razor, and it is an idea that has been adopted so pervasively that you'd be hard pressed to convince most people otherwise. The problem is, it's completely wrong. Nicotine by itself isn't significantly addictive -- no moreso than caffeine. It's the co-administration with the MAOIs in cigarettes that creates the powerful physical addiction. Even so, the popular theory -- clearly thought up by people who have never smoked -- is that if you eliminate the nicotine, you eliminate the addiction, despite the fact that every smoker knows -- or should know -- that the psychological addiction is the real trap that cigarettes spring.

But worse is the fact that people think nicotine is the worst part of a cigarette, when in fact on a list of the thousands of harmful ingredients in cigarettes ranked from most to least harmful, nicotine would be well near the bottom. IN fact, it has been shown that small amounts of nicotine is actually beneficial and helps promote greater concentration and focus in individuals.

But let me leave you with a project I have been thinking of since I discovered this product. My grandfather has a pipe carved by his grandfather who was a slave in the tobacco fields. He would smoke it when he told me the stories of what it was like during slavery. We used to share the pipe but he stopped doing that when he found out how bad smoke was. (he was in denial until the 80s, poor old guy) If I have kids some day I want to do the same, maybe I can find a way modify the pipe so it won't be real smoke. The stem is detachable, though naturally I don't want to change it permanently. Even better e-smoke won't causes the pipe to deteriorate! (I can just hear some people hitting the roof at the thought of handing a kid even a fake pipe-- and I... just... really... don't... care. ) I would not do this unless there were studies that *proved* the safety of e-smoke, that won't come for some years anyway. And I don't even have kids... But, my family isn't the only one with pipe rituals. Some native Americans have pipe rituals that are much much older than ours. Why not make theses safe while retaining the correct feel? (I don't presume to know if any native Americans would like this idea or not.)

That's a wonderful idea, kind of a family legacy with a rich and valuable story behind it. It is possible to turn a pipe into an E-cig, but I do think it requires a certain degree of permanent modification. In fact, ePipeMods.com does nothing but beautiful pipe mods. My maternal grandfather was a pipe smoker and I always loved the smell of them. He passed away a long time ago of a rare form of moving cancer, no doubt from the tobacco he smoked.

I think there are so many positive uses for this. It's an example of technology getting it right for once, now if they could only make a cupcake that doesn't make one chubby I'd be so happy!

I don't think we'll ever have a suitable substitute for fats that tastes good (they such good carriers of flavour!), but honestly right now I'm just happy that we have an actual and superior substitute for tobacco that works amazingly. I think that's reason enough to celebrate with a cupcake.