Some info about DIY

[newq]

I read a thread recently and shortly after visited wizard labs for some e-liquid.

I have been considering this for awhile but want to be sure of what i am doing BEFORE purchasing my goods.

First a preface. I am Looking to get into a bit of DIY BUT, I do have children. I live in a condo so there is no dedicated workspace I can use so it will most likely be my computer desk in my bedroom. This being said I am dead set against buying High stength nic and cutting it down. I usually vape 12-16 mg huice and would like to try to keep a 12mg formula. My favorite commercial juice right now is EC Blends ANO Butter Rum 100%vg (man this stuff is like a lifesaver candy) More to the point, I want to try DIY but I need to know a couple of things. Keep in mind I have never done anything like this before I am all noob assume i know nothing.

Before just buying a wonking giant bottel of juice, What should I buy first? What strngth base should I buy ? Would 16mg be appropriate for mixing down to 12mg once flavoring is added ?

Any suggestions or guidance it appreciated! thanks in advance!

 

[ChrispyCritter]

I think the lowest Wizard Labs sells is 24mg but that would be pretty easy to dilute down to 12mg as it would pretty much be just adding equal parts of nic and PG or VG but you have to take the flavor into account too.

What I would suggest is a lock box of some kind for any e liquid with nic in it..I'm sure you can pick up a simple box with a built in lock or one a padlock can go on for not much money..you should have one anyways to store your juice in because even at 12mg if a child drank it they could get sick...

 

[panachronic]

Not to challenge the OP's decision, but... I have to wonder about the logic of it.

Are we to believe that his household is completely devoid of anything at all the might be toxic? No window cleaner, prescription medicines, drain opener, mosquito repellent... nothing? (Most if not all of that stuff is more toxic than, let's say, 60mg nicotine base.)

And if he has any of those things in his home, where does he keep them and why couldn't he keep his nicotine there too?

I'm posting this because I've noticed there is a tendency towards irrational fear of nicotine base. Is it toxic? Sure. Is it especially toxic? No, not really.

People talk about the stuff as though it was nerve gas. It isn't.

 

[Shilo]

You need at least 24 mg to account for different flavor percentages unless you intend to use drastically lower nic level than you currently are or use super concentrated flavorings at low percentages.

 

[buffaloguy]

Panachronic I absolutely disagree with you and I think its unwise to suggest that nicotine isnt toxic.

Its not only toxic... ITS LETHAL!

While all of us vapers are more immune to the effects of nicotine at higher doses cause we have been using it for years... a child who has never had exposure can become extremely ill and even die from 48mg strength nic liquid. The smaller the child, the more damage nicotine can do in a shorter amount of time.

Im not gonna debate this but having a "its no big deal" "whats the hysteria about" attitide gets people hurt. Safety with nicotine is extremely important in any concentration and especially whwn dealing with concentrations higher than 36mg.

To the OP. Please just keep the nic bases locked up and educate yourself on nicotine, nicotine poisioning, and what to do in case of an accident.

100 mg nic can kill someone in five minutes. This is a fact.

 

[panachronic]

Panachronic I absolutely disagree with you and I think its unwise to suggest that nicotine isnt toxic.

Its not only toxic... ITS LETHAL!

While all of us vapers are more immune to the effects of nicotine at higher doses cause we have been using it for years... a child who has never had exposure can become extremely ill and even die from 48mg strength nic liquid. The smaller the child, the more damage nicotine can do in a shorter amount of time.

Im not gonna debate this but having a "its no big deal" "whats the hysteria about" attitide gets people hurt. Safety with nicotine is extremely important in any concentration and especially whwn dealing with concentrations higher than 36mg.

To the OP. Please just keep the nic bases locked up and educate yourself on nicotine, nicotine poisioning, and what to do in case of an accident.

100 mg nic can kill someone in five minutes. This is a fact.

I never said nicotine isn't toxic. Indeed, I quite plainly said that it IS toxic. Nor did I say that "It's no big deal."

What I actually said is that it's ridiculous to ban nicotine from one's home if you're not also going to get rid of the numerous other toxic substances that just about everybody keeps around the house.

 

[buffaloguy]

Yeah, you said it is toxic followed by negating that statement with "Is it especially toxic? No. Not really". It IS especially toxic and it is in fact, lethal. You even go as far to say nicotine poisioning isnt akin to nerve gas... guess what the final stage of nicotine poisoning is? Paralysis of the central nervous system followed by death.

Look it up.

While I understand your sentiment the same precautions should be taken with nicotine as you would any caustic chemical in a home, especially with children around. To be casual about it and say that "well it no more harmful than any of those other things so no biggie" is just not a good idea.

You make it sound as if its no big deal simply by suggesting that nicotine is no more harmful than the other bad substances people leave around their home. Responsible people put that stuff where kids or others wont get exposed to them.

Pana, its not just about what you said its about what the message infers and if I read it that way othera will too. Its just not the right way to go about the discussion.

Safety first, with anything that is dangerous. That way the chance of accidents is especially minimized.

Im not gonna post on this again, but Ill close by saying that everyone needs to be safe. The last thing I ever want to hear is some child got into their parents nic juice stash and ended up in the hospital, or worse.

 

[Shilo]

Buffaloguy there are numerous warning all over this forum for guests and new people in big bold writing at the top of pages about nicotine warning and safety. You use what strength you feel comfortable with in your home. The point we were trying to make is you need to allow for the flavorings and PG/VG that will be added to your mix. Anywhere from 1-25% depending on flavorings used and your tastebuds.

 

[LucentShadow]

I certainly would be careful if there are dogs, children, or mentally-challenged people in the home. There is some decent basic info on nicotine on Wikipedia: 30–60 mg (0.5-1.0 mg/kg) can be a lethal dosage for adult humans. Note that line, and think of that as you plan out how to handle it in the home, and you should get along just fine. An adult could easily die from ingesting a tiny 3ml bottle of 10-20mg/ml e-juice at once. It smells and tastes good, and comes in bottles that look just like ones used for food products. It's wise to be cautious.

My advice: I would get 24 or 36mg/ml unflavored, and keep it locked up. You won't need to access it very often, so no problem there. Clean up any spills well.

Get child-resistant caps for the daily use bottles, and try to keep them to the smaller sizes. Don't leave them lying about.

If it still worries you, only keep filled cartos or liquid-feed devices under your control, and keep all bottles locked up.

It's not terribly difficult to minimize the risks, and there's no good excuse not to if the situation warrants it.

 

[buffaloguy]

I know shilo, and Im sorry to OP for getting off topic but the overall tone didnt sit right and not everyone reads those stickys so... back to the topic at hand.

newq, I generally vape in the 12-16 mg range, and keep 18mg juices around for morning time and cravings. Ive found that 24mg base works extremely well for me. I was mixing at 18mg base before but found that when mixing some flavors at higher amounts it didnt allow for me to stay at the nic lvl I wanted for that particular juice. I found using a 24mg base solved that problem and gave me enuff flexability in the nic ranges I wanted. Hope that helps!

 

[panachronic]

Pana, its not just about what you said its about what the message infers and if I read it that way othera will too. Its just not the right way to go about the discussion.

Thanks, but I'll decide for myself how to go about a discussion. And I don't think you should assume that everybody will mis-read my post as you have.

Yes, safety first and safety always. Paranoia and irrational fears are optional.

 

[Leothwyn]

I guess you could use 16mg. 16mg would leave room for 25% flavoring at a final 12mg. (I assume I got that math right).

How have you been storing your liquids so far? Even though premixed juices are less concentrated... having butterscotch, strawberry, chocolate, etc. would be at least as dangerous (much more tempting) around kids than plain nic. in PG/VG.

I assume you have a high place to store it, and/or could get a lock box, and/or could get some sort of childproof bottles for it.

 

[LookMa`NoSmoK]

wow, this thread got butchered.

@ op - here is the lowest strength nic liquid I can find. They also have a ton of flavorings. Flavoring thread for them. we disscus all their flavoring, nic & anything else in that thread. If you have any questions join us there. =)