Some juices just harder to draw? Advice?

[iheartpoco]

Okay, still kind of new here...I ordered 10 x 10 mL, VG, various flavours of juice from Jugheads. (They sent 14, which is super nice.)

So - is it normal that some of them are almost impossible to draw from my Redd's cartos? Should I add water or something, or do you think some of the cartos are maybe a little defective? For example, Toffee and Blueberry are awesome, barely have to suck at all unless the battery is getting down or the carto is almost burned out. BUT Cola I can't draw anything at all, and the bit of air I get tastes vaguely of cola-flavoured .... Cherry lime tastes like citrus chemical slurpee, and is medium-hard to draw.

What do y'all think? Should I be trying a PG/VG blend with my next order? Or maybe some juices are just not good in these cartos?

 

[tygertyger]

I find it worse with VG blends too, but there are a few things you can try.

First off, VG permanently thins when heated. Run water as hot as you can from the tap and put your bottles in a ziplock with as much air removed as possible. Let sit at least 20 minutes. (Change water if needed to keep it good and hot). Check the bottles.... are the liquids thinner? Do it again if desired.

As a last resort, some have mentioned adding vodka or water.... but if you try this, just a drop or two!

As for the tastes you're not enjoying, put 'em away for a few weeks. I keep rotating bottles all the time. With some, I hated it when it showed up, deemed it vapable after three weeks, and actually started to not mind it after longer. Some are fine they day they show up, but improve with age, others really require steeping. The hot water helps with this, but nothing seems to replace just time and patience.

As for your last question.... it's very personal. PG will give you more satisfying throat hit for certain. I've settled on 70/30 as my usual favorite. It vapes well, good throat hit, and enough VG to give nice billowy clouds of vapor. Experiment with different blends until you find what you like best.

Hope that helps a little!

 

[iheartpoco]

Helps A LOT, thanks!

Is the main reason to choose VG due to more vapor? I just randomly picked it because it was there... :/

 

[froghammer]

I received my first order from Jugheads this week and they all seem to be working fine in my cartos. I figured they'd be too thick, but so far, so good.

If you are going to thin them, make sure to use distilled, clean water- not tap. Alternately, you could use vodka or another clear, drinkable alcohol. Don't use rubbing alcohol or anything crazy like that. Haha. And make sure to only use a drop or two at first. If you go too far, you won't be able to un-thin it.

I suppose the VG is for the vapor but it's also good for those people that are allergic to PG. Plus, it has less (read, no...) throat hit and some people might like that. I think it works really well for the dessert and sweet flavours.

 

[tygertyger]

Is the main reason to choose VG due to more vapor? I just randomly picked it because it was there... :/

As froghammer said, some folks are sensitive to PG, and find VG is more enjoyable with less unpleasant symptoms for them.
That aside, the general rule is PG gives throat hit, VG gives bigger thicker clouds.

If you are going to thin them, make sure to use distilled, clean water- not tap.

Oh yes! I failed to mention that! Very important! Thanks froghammer

 

[chagrin]

Didn't jugheads give you a little bottle of distilled water ? He was giving them out with 100% VG orders a while ago, but maybe he's stopped doing that. He'd definitely throw in a 10 ml bottle if you ask though.

Aside from what people have said, you can use PG as well. I got a small bottle of PG from jugheads with one of my orders, so I wouldn't have to track down a 500 ml bottle.

I would use distilled water or PG before an alcohol, as that can change the taste a bit, either way - add 1 drop to the bottle, shake thoroughly, then see how it absorbs into the carto filler - you can tell if it's thin enough by how fast it absorbs, then add extra drops as needed. It shouldn't take much.

 

[gmypc]

4 orders so far for me. They helped me figure out that PG was giving me fits. They are the best when it comes to customer service. Never got the sweetener or distilled water though but that's ok - they compensated way beyond that.

Their juices are thicker than most and thanks to all the pointers from the veterans here, you can thin them down a bit. Nothing beats steeping to get full flavours but I can't help myself. I did order some pure PG and VG so that I thin as necessary but you don't want to go over board. Honestly, I thin more than the 1-2 drops per bottle but I tend to over do things so do all of the above tips until you find what works for you.

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I wish there was a simpler way of describing and measuring viscosity to help us achieve consistency. Something like "cartos are good up to 4 xx viscosity units", "vivi novas are good from 1 - 7 xx" - and so on. Most people have the best intentions but saying that "I use 100% VG from vendor xxx with no problems" doesn't help much because different vendors thin their juices differently. (Even juices from the same vendor varies in viscosity even though they have the same ratio.)
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Anyways, juggies is the 'standard' for me when in comes to VG juices - I'll suck on my pv's like a miele if I have to just to taste the wonderful flavours they have

 

[iheartpoco]

(Even juices from the same vendor varies in viscosity even though they have the same ratio.)
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TRUE! Some of my flavours are fine, others won't work at all. All of them are 100% VG from Jughead's.

 

[iheartpoco]

Plus, it has less (read, no...) throat hit and some people might like that. I think it works really well for the dessert and sweet flavours.

FWIW, I'm getting pretty good TH off the VG. Some flavours are a little harsh, though. Maybe the PG is smoother TH?

 

[recidivus]

Could be the flavouring. I DIY so maybe it's different, but I find my colas give more TH than a fruit or coffee mix.

 

[tygertyger]

FWIW, I'm getting pretty good TH off the VG. Some flavours are a little harsh, though. Maybe the PG is smoother TH?

Well the nic content gives you TH as well, so a 6s or 12s have less than 18s.... and 24 has lots!..... what nic are you vaping? I've heard some report that as they lower nic, they raise PG ratio to somewhat compensate for the reduced throat hit

 

[iheartpoco]

Yeah, I'm vaping 15...TH is pretty good for me.

I placed an order on Friday night to re-up my 2 fave flavours, and I ordered about 5 of the 10mL 60vg/40pg organic blends, so we'll see how that turns out.

I also ordered some butterscotch and cinnamon bun flavours with 0 nic for my husband. He was vaping some of my toffee last night, kind of liked it, but can't handle the nicotine. He got really dizzy, LOL...