Some questions about ecigs

[rel322]

Hi, I've been vaping on Greensmoke for about a half a year now and I have some questions.

a) What's the difference between KR808D2 and KR808D1?
b) Does it matter what the brand is? (ie between all 510s or all 810s)

Thanks, I've been wandering around the forums but haven't really found any answers.

 

[Critter Man]

Hello and welcome!

a)KR808D-1 is easy to get parts for from a lot of sources. D-2 is used by companies that want to hog your business. Usually, D-2 is not preferred and will be more expensive. Switching to D-1 will allow you to save a lot of money in the long run. Check out Vapor4Life to see what I mean. When people refer to 808 in these forums, they mean KR808D-1.

b)The numbers tell you the thread size and will let you know what atomizer/cartomizer will fit your battery. You use KR808D-2, the most popular cig-style is the KR808D-1, the most widely compatible with parts is the 510, M403 is one of the smallest, etc.

When you know more about what you want out of an ecig, you can decide what model is right for you. What do you like and dislike about your KR808D-2?

 

[MASTER0FDAMPF]

Hello and welcome!

a)KR808D-1 is easy to get parts for from a lot of sources. D-2 is used by companies that want to hog your business. Usually, D-2 is not preferred and will be more expensive. Switching to D-1 will allow you to save a lot of money in the long run. Check out Vapor4Life to see what I mean. When people refer to 808 in these forums, they mean KR808D-1.

b)The numbers tell you the thread size and will let you know what atomizer/cartomizer will fit your battery. You use KR808D-2, the most popular cig-style is the KR808D-1, the most widely compatible with parts is the 510, M403 is one of the smallest, etc.

When you know more about what you want out of an ecig, you can decide what model is right for you. What do you like and dislike about your KR808D-2?

Elegant answer! (although I would argue that 808 is the most popular, but who can really know)

I absolutely agree with the "once you know what you want" aspect.

If you have one already I would suggest trying a manual battery if you haven't already. It is a relatively cheap way to see if you will like alot of options out there (pussing a button VS an automatic battery). If you like the device, I would say try some new juices.

 

[Critter Man]

I would argue that 808 is the most popular, but who can really know

I base that solely on the posts I see made by people who prefer to stay with cig-style units. I use a 401 myself.

 

[BiffRocko]

I hated my GreenSmoke. Kudos to you for being able to stick with it for 6 months. I returned mine after 3 days and bought an eGo instead. Much better and less than half the price (at the time. now it's 1/3 the price of the GreenSmoke).

If you really like that form factor, I'd suggest grabbing a KR808D-1 for all the reasons Critter Man cited. Otherwise, if you're looking for something different, there's a whole world of options out there. Since you've already got experience with vaping, you might be interested in one of the multitude of "mods" that are available.

 

[rel322]

Thank you guys so much for your responses. Well, I do like the two part ecig idea. I've decided to go into the liquids section and filling my own cartomizers for my D2 batteries. I figured I would fill cartos until my current batteries die and then I'll switch.

I enjoy the fact that it looks similar to an analog. I was thinking of going to the D1, or the m401/m403 maybe the eGo. The thing that I find most important is vapor, which I hear vg helps.
a) What are the pros and cons of each of the above ecigs?
b) Also, the usb charger that I got from greensmoke that fits my current batteries (I'm assuming they're D2), will it fit any of the other battery types or will I have to get an adapter?

 

[Critter Man]

Don't use a charger that wasn't designed specifically for the batteries you are putting in it. There is a real risk of fire, but you're mainly going to destroy the battery and/or charger. Only use your greensmoke charger for 808D-2 batteries.

I use a 401 (same as 403, just longer battery life) with 100% VG. I use atomizers. There are cartomizers available for these M series batteries, but not many. I think there are two. The best are probably the CE2 cartos, but there are those who think CE2s are poorly designed. Vapor production is lacking with these models as they are older technology, but they taste great. I don't need heavy vapor production, I smoke analogs without huge clouds of smoke. 15-18 puffs off a king size is more than most get, so I guess I take small drags. The cool thing is that the M series is a very small diameter. It's the same as my king size cigarettes. I make my own using tubes, so they are a bit larger than commercial smokes.

808s are reported to give more vapor than the M series. They are also new products being developed for the D-1s. You get a lot more color selections, and cartomizers are plentiful. They are slightly larger than the M series, but no larger than 510s. I do not know how they do with high VG liquids, but I imagine they would work well if the cartomizer can wick the VG. Cartos that easily flood with PG may be a good choice for VG.

The eGo is a large battery version of the 510. If vapor production is your primary desire, this is probably the unit to go with. It's quite a bit bigger than a cigarette, but not overly bulky. It has the widest selection of cartomizers available, and can be used with attys for dripping, atty/cart combos, and tank systems. There is also a mega version that uses large diameter atomizers and cartridges. I suspect that mega attys can be used longer before they need to cool down, but you'd have to ask someone who owns one. The Riva is a clone of the eGo, and has it's own rabid followers.

I currently just use a 401, but my wishlist includes: 403 auto batteries for hands free vaping while I do housework, a KR808D-1 setup with PCC, and an eGo. The 401 will be used for different flavors (testing and just to enjoy some of the more decadent liquids). The 808 will be my all-day vape when I'm on the go. The eGo will be my all-day vape at home or whenever I can carry it conveniently.

I have no need for a mod, just as most people have no need for a modded car like from The Fast and the Furious.

If you need more thoughts, ask away.

 

[MattZuke]

Thank you guys so much for your responses. Well, I do like the two part ecig idea. I've decided to go into the liquids section and filling my own cartomizers for my D2 batteries. I figured I would fill cartos until my current batteries die and then I'll switch.

I enjoy the fact that it looks similar to an analog. I was thinking of going to the D1, or the m401/m403 maybe the eGo. The thing that I find most important is vapor, which I hear vg helps.
a) What are the pros and cons of each of the above ecigs?
b) Also, the usb charger that I got from greensmoke that fits my current batteries (I'm assuming they're D2), will it fit any of the other battery types or will I have to get an adapter?

If you like the KR808D-2, you like it. I'm with the 510 presently, but I still have the KR808d-1. If I was more into stealth vaping, I'd go 808. I'm finding I'm very fond of 510 cartomizers.

The only complaint I have about Greensmoke is the price. The batteries cost too damned much for what they offer, esp over $30 for the standard 180mAh, the lowest size in this class. Aftermarket E9 batteries are in your best interest. You longer suck time, you have the option of going 280mAh shorts, or 380mAh longs, and it'll cost you far less.

If you're married to Greensmoke cartridges, you can go D1-D2 adapter. This will open you up to the vast array of options which would include Ego style 808 units, like the pigcig (lecig adapter provided) or the Riva 901 (liberty-flights), DSC-905 Nomad screwdriver, or the Indulgence v2.

You shouldn't be married to the Greensmoke batteries. Better performance and price with aftermarket. Lecig, vaporkings, vapor4life.

It looks like the Greensmoke "car" charger is just a usb port for your car, so that will go to anything. You "should" be able to go KR808D1 to adapter to your greensmoke usb charger. But you're talking a $10 item, $5 if you shop carefully. One battery, one usb charger, and one adapter will run you less than one 180mAh greensmoke battery. Heck, a volt standard starter kit (smokelessimage.com) will run less than one green smoke battery.

 

[BiffRocko]

just as most people have no need for a modded car like from The Fast and the Furious.

Hmmm...I don't think I agree with this statement. Certainly there are some mods that are way beyond what most people need (VV, mods with feed systems, etc.), but the basic mods are just as simple to use as every model you mentioned and have significant advantages over mass manufactured Chinese PVs.

Batteries for mods are dirt cheap to replace. A two pack of 14500 LiIon batteries can be purchased from China for $5 with free shipping for example. They have about the same time between charges as an eGo/Riva. You've also got the option of getting a PV with much longer time between charges. An 18650 battery will last up to two days of heavy vaping.

Also, there isn't a mod out there that runs at less than 3.7v. You have limited options for 3.7v with mass manufactured PVs, (eg. KR808D-1 or the newer Rivas).

 

[rel322]

Oh, I'm not married to Greensmoke at all. I finally finished my cartos that I ordered and I started looking for cheaper ones, which led me to ECF. Now that I found some empty cartos and clove eliquid I'll finally be happy. (I was a clove smoker). I just started thinking about the future since I know my batteries from the starter kit I got from Greensmoke won't last forever.

a) I'm confused what are these mAh? I'm not so electrically sauve outside of computers...

 

[swedishfish]

Hmmm...I don't think I agree with this statement. Certainly there are some mods that are way beyond what most people need (VV, mods with feed systems, etc.), but the basic mods are just as simple to use as every model you mentioned and have significant advantages over mass manufactured Chinese PVs.

Batteries for mods are dirt cheap to replace. A two pack of 14500 LiIon batteries can be purchased from China for $5 with free shipping for example. They have about the same time between charges as an eGo/Riva. You've also got the option of getting a PV with much longer time between charges. An 18650 battery will last up to two days of heavy vaping.

Also, there isn't a mod out there that runs at less than 3.7v. You have limited options for 3.7v with mass manufactured PVs, (eg. KR808D-1 or the newer Rivas).

I agree with you. I'd get a Reo Mini in a heartbeat. And probably could if I stopped buying so much juice.

 

[Critter Man]

I figured somebody might get a sore spot if I said mods weren't needed for everyone who likes minis. I'm sure you like your mods, I'm sure anyone who is vaping at 3.4 volts is a complete idiot, and I'm fully aware that not owning a Reo means I can't possibly know what I am talking about when it comes to PVs. Now that we're past that, lets answer the OP's question.

mAh means milliamp hours. Basically, it's how long a battery can discharge at one milliamp before it's dead. A 300 mAh battery will last about half as long as a 600 mAh battery before it needs to be recharged.

 

[swedishfish]

You're the one that brought up mods in this thread and made the mod dig. He was just responding to your post.

 

[MattZuke]

a) I'm confused what are these mAh? I'm not so electrically sauve outside of computers...

mAh is just miliamp hours. How much power a unit can provide in one hour. 180mAh @ 3.7v = .666Watt/hrs


A GS short battery is rated for 180mAh. They cost $50. If you use 4 batteries/day, that's 180*4=720mAh. They're rated for 300 charge cycles, a fine number. Thus expect failure every 75 days or every 2.5 months. This represents $243/year at $50/battery.

You can easily get e9 (kr808d-2) batteries for $20ish, or more standard KR808D-1 batteries for $10-15 for 180mAh, or $15-$20 for 280mAh. This will cost your yearly expense to $73 (128mAh@15per) or $48 (280mAh@$20 per) assuming we take the highest figure.

And the aftermarket batteries offer better performance to boot.

[not ciggie like]
The Riva 901, or the 510 (different cartridge) offers 2 750mAh batteries from the get go. Presuming 4 GS battery's/day, the cost of the sub $40 kit represents sub $20/year. The 901 will take KR808D-1 cartridges, or D-2 with an adapter.

The DSE905 nomad costs a little more, but it's 900mAh battery can be replaced for $5.00. It's more than $40, so it would take over the year for it to make cost sense.

It's okay to spend more money for style. But GS's $50 offers no style, no function, no benefit over batteries at 1/5th the price.

 

[Critter Man]

You're the one that brought up mods in this thread and made the mod dig. He was just responding to your post.

Wasn't trying to dig, just trying to be thorough in my answer to the question asked. I said I didn't find I had a need for them, even though they have more horsepower.

 

[MattZuke]

To translate the long posts

GS batteries cost too much, don't buy them, ever. Their cartridges are 50% above par, but as you can drip into them, not as big a deal.

If you need batteries, buy either an E9/KR808D2 battery, or even better, a KR808d-1 and an adapter if needed. Otherwise, you can ditch the GS and buy a KR808D1 kit. Save 75% on batteries, 25% on cartridges unless you love GS cartridges. Some people do. But don't buy GS batteries, they're 300% to 500% above par for what they offer.

Ego style will save even more on batteries, but it doesn't look like a ciggie. A base kit will cost you less than one GS battery (Riva 901 or 510), 1.5 to 2 GS batteries for something special. You can vape all day on one or two Egos depending on use.

Mods take standard off the shelf batteries that cost ~$5. They really don't look like a ciggie. They're a good long term value.

 

[BiffRocko]

I said I didn't find I had a need for them, even though they have more horsepower.

See that was exactly my point though. The basic mods don't have more horsepower. They aren't big scary things that provide more than most people need. Assuming we're comparing 3.7v devices, mods provide the same experience with cheaper, and potentially longer lasting, batteries. I wasn't saying you don't know what you're talking about either, but the people reading your comment probably don't. That's why they've come here to get info. I was just trying be thorough like you and make sure they weren't getting the impression that mods are scary things they aren't ready for or won't ever need.

I feel that basic mods are absolutely appropriate for new vapers. As proof of that point...I have a very large circle of friends. I had so many people asking me for help switching, that it became easier to just start stocking and selling kits to them than to tell them to go to ECF or to go to a certain website and buy a specific kit. At first, I stocked Rivas and resold them. Shortly after, I realized that box mods are just as easy to use. I could build them and put together a full starter kit for the same cost as a Riva. So now, when a friend says they are ready to switch, I sell them one of my box mod kits. (Keep in mind that coming to me is the most research most of my friends are going to do.)

Everyone who's bought one from me is a new vaper. If they've had any prior experience vaping at all, it was limited to trying out my PV or one that I'd sold to someone else. Everyone of them has loved their new kit, and had no problems using it. I'm not selling them "sports car" PVs by any stretch of the imagination. I'm selling them reliable daily drivers with great gas mileage.

Edit: I also include in my kit a 3 page "new vaper guide/instruction book" that I wrote up. In it, I refer them to ECF if they want to get more info and to several trusted vendors for replacement attys, batteries, and juice which I don't keep in stock.

 

[rel322]

First I want to thank everyone for all of their advice. I think I'm gonna let my batteries that I got from GS die and probably switch to a D-1 for right now. I plan on filling my own cartos but not as a DIY. Another question concerning batteries.

a) What does it mean by aftermarket?
b) What simple mods can be done to extend the life of the battery?

 

[JWebb]

You may want to go to the ECF Library on the home page and read the "Wonderful world of vaping "6 parts series, it helps a lot to learn all about this stuff and guide you to what to buy and waht works for you! Good luck!

First I want to thank everyone for all of their advice. I think I'm gonna let my batteries that I got from GS die and probably switch to a D-1 for right now. I plan on filling my own cartos but not as a DIY. Another question concerning batteries.

a) What does it mean by aftermarket?
b) What simple mods can be done to extend the life of the battery?

 

[swedishfish]

First I want to thank everyone for all of their advice. I think I'm gonna let my batteries that I got from GS die and probably switch to a D-1 for right now. I plan on filling my own cartos but not as a DIY. Another question concerning batteries.

a) What does it mean by aftermarket?
b) What simple mods can be done to extend the life of the battery?

a) no clue
b) I don't think you can do much of anything to extend the life of a battery except keep it clean and use manual batteries. Typically they you get around 1 hr per 100 mah give or take

You've been using a green smoke for 6 months- why don't you try somthething different? Try an ego.

I've been vaping 6 months and might try something new too. Might get an echo.