Stan Glantz attacks e-cigarette industry because thousands of vapers sent comments to FDA

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From: Glantz, Stanton A
To: STANGLANTZ-L@LISTSRV.UCSF.EDU
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: E-cig companies want to have it both ways on whether or not they are cessation aids: The FDA can & should stop these claims now


Several of my colleagues and I submitted a public comment to the FDA docket regarding a “Report to Congress on Innovative Products and Treatments for tobacco Dependence.”

We commented on the fact that at least two e-cigarette companies, Sottera, Inc., which promotes the e-cigarette brand njoy, and VMR Products LLC, which promotes the e-cigarette brand V2Cigs, along with the e-cigarette industry’s trade association, Smokefree Alternatives Trade Association (SFATA), directed their consumers to provide public comment to this docket on “treatments for nicotine dependence” in direct e-mails to consumers and on their websites. The companies’ action was important because Sottera, Inc. had successfully sued the FDA to stop the agency from regulating e-cigarettes on the grounds that they were not therapeutic drugs and/or devices.

The Court of Appeals upheld the District Court ruling that e-cigarettes should be classified and regulated as tobacco products not drug devices because companies were not marketing e-cigarettes with therapeutic claims. At the same time, both the Court of Appeals and the District Court held that if e-cigarettes were marketed with therapeutic claims, the FDA could regulate them as drug devices under the Food Drug and Cosmetic Act. Thefact that the e-cigarette companies and their trade association have been encouraging their consumers to submit public comments to a docket about smoking cessation products can be read no other way than the e-cigarette companies and their trade association are promoting their products as having therapeutic benefit.

Even a cursory review of the thousands of public comments in the docket, indicates that the e-cigarette companies' and trade association's efforts generated many comments that reflect this claim of therapeutic benefit. Furthermore, many submitters appeared to be following specific instructions offered by the e-cigarette companies' Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association.

The e-cigarette companies cannot have it both ways. They cannot claim they are regular tobacco products that, as “customarily marketed,” would require regulation as a tobacco product, and then create the impression through their marketing and direct consumer communication they have submitted therapeutic claims to the FDA and won approval for them.

We recommended that the FDA should take the following actions as a result of this information:

1. Make note of the therapeutic and health claims made and promoted by e-cigarette companies in its Report to Congress on Innovative Products and Treatments for Tobacco Dependence, comment on the lack of evidence to support such claims, and inform Congress that the FDA is taking actions now to stop such claims from being made until such time as the companies submit scientific evidence to substantiate these therapeutic claims.

2. Immediately order the companies to stop making claims (direct and implied) that e-cigarettes are effective cessation devices, including ordering the companies to remove and not post further testimonials to this effect.

3. Work with the Federal Trade Commission to prohibit such claims as false advertising until such time that they have been scientifically substantiated and approved by the FDA.

You can read our full public comment here.
 
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I sent it the following reply to Stan's e-mail, and posted it on Glantz' blog (although I'd be surprised if he allows it to be posted).
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Since the FDA issued the Federal Register notice (about the December 17 public hearing on Section 918 and the public comment period that ended on the 16th), I have spent most of my time encouraging and assisting e-cigarette consumers and companies to testify at the December 17 hearing, and to submit written comments to the docket.

So if you want to blame somebody for organizing this highly successful public health campaign, then blame me.

The FDCA has long prohibited companies from marketing products with "therapeutic claims", and the FDA has been enforcing that law on a daily basis for many decades. Violators should be reported to the FDA, and the FDA will take appropriate action.

But I also think a competent lawyer for an e-cigarette company can convince the federal courts that since "smoking" is not a disease or disorder, claiming that an e-cigarette can help someone quit smoking is not a "therapeutic claim". In fact, that's why the FDA has approved drugs for treating "tobacco dependence", not for treating "smoking". And I'm not aware of any e-cigarette company that has ever claimed their products treat "tobacco dependence".

But Stan confuses commercial speech with political speech, as the US Constitution protects the rights of ALL citizens and companies to communicate with government agencies and officials. While Stan may be able to censor comments by e-cigarette consumers on this blog (and claim that they suffer from the "placebo effect"), nobody (including the FDA) has the legal authority to deny companies or citizens of their Constitutionally protected rights.

Stan is also urging the FDA to impose punitive sanctions against an entire industry simply because folks at several companies exercised their 1st Amendment rights.

But lawyers at FDA and the Justice Dept still remember that all 13 federal judges who adjudicated the SE/NJOY lawsuit against FDA (in which I and other consumer and public health advocated filed a brief in support of the e-cigarette companies and against the FDA) ruled that FDA had no legal authority to ban all e-cigarettes simply because several (out of several hundred) e-cigarette companies claimed (in advertisements) that e-cigarettes help smokers quit smoking.


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When told to voice our opinion/experiences and sign petition we were given a numbered list of points ,one of which was to say how well e-cigarettes got us off the tobacco, I followed these points and elaborated ,stating the easing of anxiety, sounds like this was wrong ...

No worries…

The comments of Mr. Glantz are just the Wrangling of one side trying to score points against the Other.

As long as you were Honest, you did Fine.
 

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Stan is getting some really solid and deserved criticism. Let's hope the right ears hear the truth and react appropriately.
Here are some. To start, one might go back to http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.com/2011/10/stanton-glantz-clueless-clown.html
Stanton Glantz is a liar (as if that’s news) | Anti-THR Lie of the Day
and of course, Dr. Siegel, http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/ Siegel's change of opinion about Stan is most remarkable, having bbeen a staunch supporter and admirer of his former mentor. Until Glantz's recent devolvement and temper tantrums, Siegel, at least, referred to him as Dr. Glantz. He has dropped the title now, a significant gesture.
 

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This Glantz guy is on a one man mission to demonize the truth. He censors his blog of positive e-cigarette comments, he doesn't like the fact the e-cigs LOOK like smoking, even if it isn't. Hell, drinking water looks like drinking moonshine, smoking roll your own cigs looks like smoking a joint. You can't base laws on "looks like" - but when the facts don't conform to what he wants them to, he turns to this 'looks like' arguement.
 
So what if we said it helped us quit smoking? It's true. No company told me that, people did. People unaffiliated with any company that sells e-cigarettes. And they were right.

I smell a resounding loss for the FDA coming very, very soon on this point.

Out of idle curiosity, what have other open comment periods gotten in terms of number of comments? If ours was through the roof it becomes hard to ignore.
 

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So what if we said it helped us quit smoking? It's true. No company told me that, people did. People unaffiliated with any company that sells e-cigarettes. And they were right.

I smell a resounding loss for the FDA coming very, very soon on this point.

Out of idle curiosity, what have other open comment periods gotten in terms of number of comments? If ours was through the roof it becomes hard to ignore.

I hope you're right, the the power of the FDA is nothing to shrug off.
 

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claiming that an e-cigarette can help someone quit smoking is not a "therapeutic claim". In fact, that's why the FDA has approved drugs for treating "tobacco dependence", not for treating "smoking". And I'm not aware of any e-cigarette company that has ever claimed their products treat "tobacco dependence".

I find the underlined part to be very very interesting. My apologies to those who are very sensitive on these matters, given own experiences with smoking. Yet, this does appear like a therapeutic claim in the ways that eCig companies communicate it. And in the way that many vapers communicate it.

I realize it is an issue because if admission is made, at any level, that it is a therapeutic claim then it invites FDA regulations which no vaper who favors (completely) the open market for eCig industry, desires. As FDA, in their zealousness, could invoke measures that lead to a protected market or, worse yet, an underground market.

But Stan confuses commercial speech with political speech, as the US Constitution protects the rights of ALL citizens and companies to communicate with government agencies and officials. While Stan may be able to censor comments by e-cigarette consumers on this blog (and claim that they suffer from the "placebo effect"), nobody (including the FDA) has the legal authority to deny companies or citizens of their Constitutionally protected rights.

I agree with this to a degree, but feel the sensible thing is for individuals (most likely vapers, but not necessarily) to freely claim whatever they wish about their experiences with vaping, and be encouraged to share those experiences with the likes of the FDA. But not so sensible to defend eCig suppliers (sellers) who wish to make claims for their product as it relates to traditional cigarettes. If there are enough individuals around, which I observe there are, then the companies don't need to even hint at this in order to be effective at what they do, which is deliver eCig products. Keeping that in as part of their marketing strategy seems to make them a target from the likes of the FDA, and groups who look to attack the perceived problem by going after the 'source' (aka manufactures / sellers).

Stan is also urging the FDA to impose punitive sanctions against an entire industry simply because folks at several companies exercised their 1st Amendment rights.

I don't think it is as simple as you are stating it here. False advertising based on possible therapeutic claims is something that could be protected by 1st Amendment, but I'm guessing most reasonable people would disagree, and something that lawyers (on one side) would be glad to debate endlessly, while holding up product for distribution, as long as certain companies feel perfectly justified in making such claims.
 
I hope you're right, the the power of the FDA is nothing to shrug off.

They've been slapped by the courts plenty of times for one thing or another. While powerful, their power is nowhere near absolute. Some places they can't go. Others they shouldn't, try to, and get whacked.
 

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This Glantz guy is on a one man mission to demonize the truth. He censors his blog of positive e-cigarette comments, he doesn't like the fact the e-cigs LOOK like smoking, even if it isn't. Hell, drinking water looks like drinking moonshine, smoking roll your own cigs looks like smoking a joint. You can't base laws on "looks like" - but when the facts don't conform to what he wants them to, he turns to this 'looks like' arguement.

I have a friend that rolls his own & uses tops paper & when he sees a cop he pulls it to his lips & draws real hard. He gets pulled over regularly. He loves it. Sometime I will tell the story why. I'm ot as is. sorry
 

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2. Immediately order the companies to stop making claims (direct and implied) that e-cigarettes are effective cessation devices, including ordering the companies to remove and not post further testimonials to this effect.
In other words, the truth that e-cigs factually led to my quitting smoking may not be communicated because sanctioned biased white-coat jackasses lacking powers of simple observation have not yet been liberally greased by "Big Money" or the vested interests of BT/BP?

More accurately, my testimonial carries no legal weight, and could even be considered "misleading" if I make the truthful and factual claim it was solely responsible for my having quit tobacco smoking.

Anyone who still thinks the FDA, Courts, BP/ BT and Gov't protect & safeguard anyone, or is even remotely concerned about their health and well-being, is living a pipedream extraordinaire.

The police state shrouded under money and beaurocracy. Its censorship, short and simple.
 
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Thanks Bill, It seems Mr Glantz has a personal vendetta against E cigs and the people that have used them with success.He may be looking at years of his research and Government funding going down the drain. In the best interest of the public he should be doing everything he can to research the positive and negative effects of using E cigs.
 

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Thanks Bill, It seems Mr Glantz has a personal vendetta against E cigs and the people that have used them with success.He may be looking at years of his research and Government funding going down the drain. In the best interest of the public he should be doing everything he can to research the positive and negative effects of using E cigs.

Stanton Glantz is a foaming at the mouth liar who has made a really good living at what he does. I think he's terrified what all those comments are going to do to his vendetta against anything that 'looks like' smoking no matter how many lives are saved. This man has absolutely nothing at all to do with tobacco harm reduction or the prospect of saving lives. He is only interested in protecting his own views on the subject and his funding.
 
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