Standards for Mech Mods?

[Intervap]

100% mechanical mods are too often used for dangerously low ohms, which can cause battery failure if I'm not mistaken?
Well, what do you guys think about some sort of standard that would require some sort of circuitry to limit amp pull, relative to the battery? It would be a minimal amount of circuitry, not enough to cause much of a voltage drop. This would keep all the cloud chasers safe and keep some of the accidents from happening. You know, the ones that hurt the vaping community as a whole.
I'm not talking about a govt standard, but a community one. Kind of like what is going on with eliquid. I like these community standards, because it's creating better products for the consumer while supporting the safety or ecigs.
Do you think something like this would be good or bad?

 

[Blix]

No thanks. Would be impossible to monitor and "enforce" anyway. It's much better to encourage use of safe batteries.

 

[Izan]

100% mechanical mods are too often used for dangerously low ohms, which can cause battery failure if I'm not mistaken?
Well, what do you guys think about some sort of standard that would require some sort of circuitry to limit amp pull, relative to the battery? It would be a minimal amount of circuitry, not enough to cause much of a voltage drop. This would keep all the cloud chasers safe and keep some of the accidents from happening. You know, the ones that hurt the vaping community as a whole.
I'm not talking about a govt standard, but a community one. Kind of like what is going on with eliquid. I like these community standards, because it's creating better products for the consumer while supporting the safety or ecigs.
Do you think something like this would be good or bad?

You are and that would no longer be a "mech mod" now would it?
BTW, have you seen the fugly ECF version of the Sabertouch?
The market has plenty of "safe" devices.

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[Ryedan]

AFAIK, no mechanical mod using one battery has ever had a serious failure. Using good quality IMR lithium ion batteries eliminates the risk of thermal runaway.

I believe also ECF has posted a suggested standard for anyone who is interested. I'll have a look and if I can find it post a link.

ETA: Here is one of the posts I was thinking about. A lot of info about known PV safety issues. The 'fugly' Sabertouch that Izan mentioned came from these suggestions I believe.

 

[Myrany]

Any kind of circuitry would totally destroy my reason for buying a mech. I do not do sub ohm stuff. I just want something durable and easily repaired without a soldering iron.

 

[Plumes.91]

Will probably never happen. Will probably never fly with the community.
Is there a way to provide a thermal runaway prevention circuit without voltage drop?

People want FULL MECHANICAL! If theres one pair of words that one could put on a sign at a vapefest for their high quality mechanical PV booth, that would bring in customers, it would be the words FULL MECHANICALS! -SOLD HERE! y'know? People that are into mechanical mods, like to feel like they are not dependent on any circuits or wiring. They like the mods to be as simple as possible, and as repairable as possible. If something snaps, a trip to the hardware store for a new brass pin or screw will fix that!

If more vendors would offer and recommend vapesafe fuses on the same page that they sell their mechanical mod, then that would be nice. I dont know enough about the vapesafe fuses to know if they drop voltage though. Basically, the people that are using mechanicals with rebuildable attys, are typically people that have spent a few hobbyist hours online, learning about winding coils and learnng about mechanical mods. Most of them, we hope, know enough about it to keep themselves out of trouble. Most know that they need a mod or a battery and atty checker or a mod that can do these things. Most know about discharging a battery too low = explosion, we hope.

If more vendors offered "mandatory" (optional) reading information (a Terms and Conditions of Use, if you will, with a "I've read and I verify that I have researched using this product safely" checkbox would be nice) and a vapesafe fuse optional add-on on their website, that would be great. But people need an option, not a demand.

 

[Ryedan]

I agree Plumes. And if suppliers would include a vape-safe fuse with their mechanical mods, that would be even better.

 

[Intervap]

Will probably never happen. Will probably never fly with the community.
Is there a way to provide a thermal runaway prevention circuit without voltage drop?

People want FULL MECHANICAL! If theres one pair of words that one could put on a sign at a vapefest for their high quality mechanical PV booth, that would bring in customers, it would be the words FULL MECHANICALS! -SOLD HERE! y'know? People that are into mechanical mods, like to feel like they are not dependent on any circuits or wiring. They like the mods to be as simple as possible, and as repairable as possible. If something snaps, a trip to the hardware store for a new brass pin or screw will fix that!

If more vendors would offer and recommend vapesafe fuses on the same page that they sell their mechanical mod, then that would be nice. I dont know enough about the vapesafe fuses to know if they drop voltage though. Basically, the people that are using mechanicals with rebuildable attys, are typically people that have spent a few hobbyist hours online, learning about winding coils and learnng about mechanical mods. Most of them, we hope, know enough about it to keep themselves out of trouble. Most know that they need a mod or a battery and atty checker or a mod that can do these things. Most know about discharging a battery too low = explosion, we hope.

If more vendors offered "mandatory" (optional) reading information (a Terms and Conditions of Use, if you will, with a "I've read and I verify that I have researched using this product safely" checkbox would be nice) and a vapesafe fuse optional add-on on their website, that would be great. But people need an option, not a demand.

I have to say I agree with this more than my original idea. I do notice a lot of vendors are good at educating people on the potential dangers, and how to avoid them. I guess it all comes down to education.

 

[SissySpike]

If there was a fuze that limited my mechanical mod the first thing Id do is remove or disable it. Vaping with sub OHMs is not a high risk if you use the right batteries. Education is the key not regulation.

When we start the regulation process it always seems to spiral out of control.

 

[ohh EPiC FAiL]

I agree with what was stated above. I may be fairly new to vaping, but not new to lithium battery chemistry. I was into RC for ~3 years so I already knew about all the stuff for sub ohm vaping and how to do it safely. Education is better than regulation.

 

[NicoHolic]

There are already safe mechanical PVs, some being the extremely popular REO mechs. The manufacturer specifies use of AW IMR batteries, and the switch is designed for best contact with their button tops. REOS, and some other mechs, use an inexpensive and easily replaceable "hot" battery spring that collapses in the event of a short--like a built-in fuse. When that happens, the battery can no longer touch both contacts simultaneously. I've no idea what resistance this adds, but if it's more than 0.01Ω, some mech fans would replace it with a flashlight spring. and that's their right AFAIC. No more nannies!

 

[genghishahn]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but the second circuitry is included into the design of a mod its no longer true mechanical mod.

There ARE fuses available for people that want an extra layer of safety. However, the amp limits on those fuses just aren't high enough for the resistances a lot of people are running on their mechs.

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[bris1974]

Education not Legislation!!

Don't we have enough babysitters these days?

 

[Fitzy]

I firmly believe in personal freedom. IF there are guys that want to do it then let them, that last thing we need are more rules on telling people on how to do what they want. Education is key, we need to promote not force safe practices and quality equipment.
Just like smoking analogs, it was crammed down my throat since second grade how dangerous and addictive smoking was, quitting was a nightmare but, I wasn't suing anyone, I wasn't mad at anyone or, blaming anyone but myself.