Stardust mouth piece melting??

[christopher6046]

I have a question for fellow stardust vapers.......the mouth piece on my stardust started to melt while vaping. This is the 2nd time, and I m not sure why this is happening, or if anyone else has had this issue. The part that starts to melt is the piece that goes into the tank, and touches the rubber that goes over the coils. Has this happened to anyone else, and what do you think can be the cause? It has happen on 2 different visions, and 2 different liquids. I m using an ego twist, and had it set only on 3.8

 

[MPage]

Wow, I have never heard of this. Where did you buy them? I would contact the supplier and ask them.

 

[dragonbone]

Wow! What juice are you using? Can you post a pic of your melted mouthpiece?

 

[440BB]

I guess some of the more acidic juices have been doing this - here's a thread where someone else has had it happen too
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...in-12-hours-i-thought-id-seen-everything.html

 

[christopher6046]

No sorry dragonbone, don't have a pic, now that I think of it, I should have taken one. The plastic got so soft, that i could actually take pieces off. I went to wipe it with a cloth, and it was to hot and melted that it stuck to the towel. I had this happen twice......one stardust I got from altsmokes, and the other one from litecig. They are both the updated version, without the long wicks. For the liquid, I used Banana from ecblends.....70/30............and yesterday I used Atomic Cinnacide from tasteyvapor. I did notice for both times, It made the tube cloudy, but that shouldn't make the mouth piece melt.
I was using the ego twist on 3.8 V for the atomic, and just a regular ego 650 for the banana flavor.
I hope this dosent happen again......My throat is kinda sore right now, I was vaping the atomic on the stardust, and didn't know that the piece was melting. Didn't know till I went to refill it. The atomic has a strong flavor, so I didn't notice anything strange. When it happened to the banana flavor, I knew something was wrong, because I got a really bad taste.

 

[MPage]

Both vendors sd have had a warning as to what juices do this- cinnamon will tho I did not think banana wd. I have used clearomizers for months without issue.

 

[chewie]

First of all, I have heard of juices dissolving the plastic tubes, not melting the mouthpieces. What it sounded like christopher6046 was describing was heat melting, not chemical dissolving. Let's be clear on what we are describing here?

Well, how many oHms was that Vision eGo Clearomizer? I have never heard of this, but I have had 1.8 Ohm or similar attachments produce extreme amounts of heat at very low voltage, even 3.7 or 3.3 volts. I shouldn't speak, because I have been advised the same, but what we need are multimeters that can read the voltage of our E-cigs and accessories. Your eGo Twist may be reading incorrectly, or the Ohm rating on your Stardust may be a lot lower than what you thought you were buying, and if we had a voltage meter that could not only read what our PV is producing, but the accessories we are screwing on to it on the other end of the voltage meter as well, we could get an idea what kind of readings we are dealing with.

Every time I get ready to buy a voltage meter, it either looks too cheap and I worry it won't work as well as advertised (mostly when they say: "These indicators may not work properly with batteries that use linear or pulsing regulators and will just flash."), which reportedly happens to be eGo type batteries, and I use a KGO for 2 of my PVs, or else I need every spare penny I have to get E-juice and clearomizers. There are about 4 E-cig vendors that sell voltage meters for pretty cheap, they aren't the full spectrum multimeters that electricians use. Examples are Madvapes, and another is Vape Core.

Black Assembled Volt Indicator
Voltage Meter

But a big clue to getting to the bottom of your issue might be a voltage meter, and measuring the Ohms of your Stardust, and understanding that in my experience 2.1 - 2.4 Ohm Stardusts don't get too hot, but 1.8 Ohm clearomizers of the Vision Extreme type I have tried made my juice so hot it ruined the flavor and burned it, but I vape mostly fruit, coffee, confection, and non-tobacco flavored e-liquids, which do better at lower heat. Remember, lower Ohms on an eGo Twist can mean higher heat, regardless of the voltage setting.

Good luck, I hope you get your clearo situation figured out, and get back to vaping again. Don't let this experience put you off from vaping with clearomizers, and using something like cartomizers with fillers and poly-fibers in it out of frustration and desperation.

 

[dragonbone]

No sorry dragonbone, don't have a pic, now that I think of it, I should have taken one. The plastic got so soft, that i could actually take pieces off. I went to wipe it with a cloth, and it was to hot and melted that it stuck to the towel. I had this happen twice......one stardust I got from altsmokes, and the other one from litecig. They are both the updated version, without the long wicks. For the liquid, I used Banana from ecblends.....70/30............and yesterday I used Atomic Cinnacide from tasteyvapor. I did notice for both times, It made the tube cloudy, but that shouldn't make the mouth piece melt.
I was using the ego twist on 3.8 V for the atomic, and just a regular ego 650 for the banana flavor.
I hope this dosent happen again......My throat is kinda sore right now, I was vaping the atomic on the stardust, and didn't know that the piece was melting. Didn't know till I went to refill it. The atomic has a strong flavor, so I didn't notice anything strange. When it happened to the banana flavor, I knew something was wrong, because I got a really bad taste.

Wow, after reading your post, I went and read some other threads. I see you are not the first one with melting Stardust driptips, although I hadn't heard of it before. I wonder if juice strong enough to cause a chemical reaction in plastic, is safe to vape?

 

[christopher6046]

Hi Chewie, I was using a 2.4-2.9ohm resistance stardust. I know that it has to be something with the juice in the tank, because I have used many stardust before, with all different kinds of liquids. In fact, it might have happened twice when I was vaping the banana liquid, but the first time, the stardust was on its last legs, and I didn't pay attention and when the tank was done, i just threw it away. I looked at the other thread that 440B attached, and the 2nd picture was how my tip looked. And in that thread, it was said that the juice was most likely the cause.

I had to pull out my dct tank, and now i m vaping on that.............which is ok.....but i m not getting that good clean taste that the visions have. I vaped that last stardust i had, and I must have been vaping in the melted plastic, cause my throat is sore as heck. I ll go back to the visions after a couple of days, and let my new e liquids steep for awhile. I m still new to this, I ve only been vaping for 3 months, but overall, I am still pleased with the stardusts.

And I think what Dragonbone mentioned, about the chemical reaction, is what caused it.

 

[mwa102464]

I cut about 1/8"off of the bottom my mouth pieces so they don't go down as tight on the rubber top piece that's over the coil, this way it doesn't push down on the silicon cap as much and also my tip isn't down on the coil as much. Also with juices it's well known that the different Keytones in flavorings can effect plastic differently. This is why glass is so much better to use, a nice Borosilicate glass tube would be so much better for all of these Cartos in my opinion then plastic.

If you Google this = " keytones in liquid flavorings effect plastic containers " You will find some good reads on this topic.

 

[quisp65]

I had this happen on my Kgo before, and I eventually attributed it to my Kgo button getting stuck at times and me not noticing it left on once when I was vaping.

 

[lettucehead]

Seriously, this happened with everyone of my Stardust tips when I was exclusively vaping Atomic Blast (very strong cinnamon flavor).

In one Stardust, the tip completely melted over the inside of the tank and I had to throw the tank away.

In my other Stardusts, it was more of a softening and reshaping of the tip so that they were hard to get in or out of the tank easily. I ended up sanding down the tips so they went into the tank easily again.

I'm not exclusively vaping strong cinnamon anymore (I found too much made my mouth sore) and I notice my Stardusts don't seem to have this problem so much anymore...

(Does make you wonder what is in the cinnamon juice!)

BTW vape on an Ego Twist or Lavatube usually set to ~4.0 with 2.2-2.4 Ohm Stardusts

 

[jjcordone]

Wow; scary stuff. I had one Stardust that was leaking from the the bottom after using a strong dark juice.
To be safe, I tossed it and the juice that did it. It does make you wonder if a juice is powerful enough to melt plastic, is it safe for lung tissue.

 

[christopher6046]

I used the Atomic from Tastyvapor in my DCT, and it vaped well, and also didn't make the tube discolor or get cloudy at all. I m not gonna use those cinnamon flavors in the stardusts again. But I wonder why my Banana flavor from ecblend made the cap melt? I actually threw that flavor away this morning.....must be some kind of chemical in it. I did notice that after 30 min, it made the stardust tube get very cloudy, as did the atomic. I ve been through about 20 stardust already, and haven't had any problems until i got those two flavors. I have noticed that out of those two flavors, those were the only ones that made the tube cloudy, so my advice to anyone using them, is if that happens to you, ( tube getting cloudy) I would check the mouth piece. My throat is still hurting from vaping that plastic, not as much right now....

I think the websites selling them should have a warning atleast that this could happen depending on what kind of juice you have in it.

 

[CigFreedMike]

it does make you wonder both, what the plastic is doing to us (even if we don't see a melt) and what the juices are doing to us (considering some of them can melt plastic, which one's will destroy cell membranes?)

 

[chewie]

Well thanks for teaching me something new.

Now that I hear this explained some more, I know what you guys are talking about. This really is a chemical reaction. The only banana I ever vaped was a banana cream pie, and I was either dripping, or using a SmokTech cartomizer. It was good, and I still have some, I just never got around to trying it in one of my Vision Extremes, I mostly used the Stardusts when I had a small bottle of something I didn't buy often, and the Vision Extreme when I had a large bottle of something I bought frequently. One of these days I am going to have to try a banana e-liquid. Is yours a tobacco-banana, or just a banana only e-liquid? For some reason, I just have a difficult time vaping tobacco flavors anymore. I have a tobacco vanilla I like, but it's sitting in the bottle getting old, I need to vape it soon.

I recently tried five E1 Revive version 2s, (another clearomizer with replaceable parts) and only 1 of the 5 is making vapor, the rest are making dry smoke that burns my nose, eyes, and throat. The tube is very poorlly made, so I don't recommend it for juices that are known to leech plastics. I know what you are talking about having a sore throat from a chemical reaction. My issue is a wicking issue I think, the new juices I am using are 90% - 100% VG, very thick, thicker than most VG liquids. They are the Red Tail Vapor Line from Aroma Ejuice, they have an Aroma line that is PG based, but I like the flavors in the Red Tail Vapor line better. The thing I like about Aroma Ejuice liquids I buy, is they contain minor Whole Tobacco Alkaloids, and they satisfy my cravings for analogue cigarettes, and vaping this juice is just as satisfying as smoking a real cigarette, 100%, I don't even want to smoke a cigarette anymore after trying these WTA minor alkaloid juices.

You should look into it if you still crave analogues. The science behind it is real, and the discussions at Ecig Forum have been very informative. I will not go back to vaping non WTA juices after using them for a few days. I just feel like I smoked a real cigarette. Some people are addicted to more than just nicotine, tobacco has minor alkaloids that are very addictive, and perform several functions in the psychoactive part of the human brain, including the addictive part of the brain where reward and nicotine are processed. A guy named Dvap who posted a lot about this process, perfected the science and was much of the inspiration behind 2 vendors who sell this product now, but I can't recommend the other vendor, but that is something you would have to decide for yourself.

WTA isn't for everybody. Nobody really knows the risks of Cancer involved, it still doesn't use combustion so you still don't have Carbon Monoxide and 4,000 chemicals, but there are chemicals in minor alkaloids, tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) that have been suggested to have possible links to Cancer, but not 100% verifiable. So this science is still rather new, but getting rid of the analogue cravings, the testimonials are indisputable on that in my opinion.

Anyway, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

I hope you get your vaping situation fixed soon. I know the version 2 of the Stardusts fixed the juice leeching of the tank, you have to buy from vendors who specifically make this claim. But as for the mouthpiece, I have never heard the claim made that it was impervious to this chemical leeching, so I can't be any help on that.

Live long and Vape.

 

[christopher6046]

Hi Chewie, the banana is only the liquid....no tobacco in it. I wouldn't suggest getting it from ecblends though..I got it with extra flavor, and to me, it does not taste like banana, but then again, everyone has different taste buds. I don't want to get the tobacco flavored liquid, because i m afraid it will have me craving for a real cig. I usually get 70/30vg because I find it usually wicks better in a stardust. I have tried 100 VG, from virgin vapor..but it wouldn't vape well in the stardust, and for my boges, it seemed like after a day, it would clogged up, and not vape as well. What do you use mostly for your VG? I ordered some stardusts from altsmoke, and 6 of them had the spider cracks at the bottom of the base. I also ordered for litecigusa, and all of them were fine....( except for the melting mouth piece, lol )

Well thanks for teaching me something new.

Now that I hear this explained some more, I know what you guys are talking about. This really is a chemical reaction. The only banana I ever vaped was a banana cream pie, and I was either dripping, or using a SmokTech cartomizer. It was good, and I still have some, I just never got around to trying it in one of my Vision Extremes, I mostly used the Stardusts when I had a small bottle of something I didn't buy often, and the Vision Extreme when I had a large bottle of something I bought frequently. One of these days I am going to have to try a banana e-liquid. Is yours a tobacco-banana, or just a banana only e-liquid? For some reason, I just have a difficult time vaping tobacco flavors anymore. I have a tobacco vanilla I like, but it's sitting in the bottle getting old, I need to vape it soon. I'll go ahead and try a liquid from Aroma, and see how that works out with my carts.

I recently tried five E1 Revive version 2s, (another clearomizer with replaceable parts) and only 1 of the 5 is making vapor, the rest are making dry smoke that burns my nose, eyes, and throat. The tube is very poorlly made, so I don't recommend it for juices that are known to leech plastics. I know what you are talking about having a sore throat from a chemical reaction. My issue is a wicking issue I think, the new juices I am using are 90% - 100% VG, very thick, thicker than most VG liquids. They are the Red Tail Vapor Line from Aroma Ejuice, they have an Aroma line that is PG based, but I like the flavors in the Red Tail Vapor line better. The thing I like about Aroma Ejuice liquids I buy, is they contain minor Whole Tobacco Alkaloids, and they satisfy my cravings for analogue cigarettes, and vaping this juice is just as satisfying as smoking a real cigarette, 100%, I don't even want to smoke a cigarette anymore after trying these WTA minor alkaloid juices.

You should look into it if you still crave analogues. The science behind it is real, and the discussions at Ecig Forum have been very informative. I will not go back to vaping non WTA juices after using them for a few days. I just feel like I smoked a real cigarette. Some people are addicted to more than just nicotine, tobacco has minor alkaloids that are very addictive, and perform several functions in the psychoactive part of the human brain, including the addictive part of the brain where reward and nicotine are processed. A guy named Dvap who posted a lot about this process, perfected the science and was much of the inspiration behind 2 vendors who sell this product now, but I can't recommend the other vendor, but that is something you would have to decide for yourself.

WTA isn't for everybody. Nobody really knows the risks of Cancer involved, it still doesn't use combustion so you still don't have Carbon Monoxide and 4,000 chemicals, but there are chemicals in minor alkaloids, tobacco-specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) that have been suggested to have possible links to Cancer, but not 100% verifiable. So this science is still rather new, but getting rid of the analogue cravings, the testimonials are indisputable on that in my opinion.

I did order some stardust from altsmokes, but when I got them, 6 out of 10 had those spider cracks at the bottom, so I don't get it from them anylonger. Even though I had this problem with the mouth piece, I like getting them from litecigusa. I ordered 10 from them, and not one was cracked.


Anyway, didn't mean to hijack your thread.

I hope you get your vaping situation fixed soon. I know the version 2 of the Stardusts fixed the juice leeching of the tank, you have to buy from vendors who specifically make this claim. But as for the mouthpiece, I have never heard the claim made that it was impervious to this chemical leeching, so I can't be any help on that.

Live long and Vape.