Sticky Mucous
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Awesome. I hope that keeps working for you. Maybe I should try that too. I swap atties every one-two weeks, so I never think about cleaning them while they're in use. And my cart tips, I'm sure I should be cleaning them more often than I do. I'll have to try isopropyl alcohol for cleaning.
Even while drinking more water, I've still had the thick sticky stuff in my throat. There's definitely been less of it, though. So I don't know if upping the water intake is a full solution for me or it's just helping somewhat. But it does make sense that if you've got thick mucus, you need more water (same principle as when you've got an infection). I'm going to try what Mayasveil does and clean my parts regualrly with alcohol. Maybe by doing both things, I'll see an end to the problem.
I've been wondering if VG is partly my culprit. I tried using straight VG about a year ago, but it gave me a face rash. I liked the vapor from VG, though, so a few months ago, I experimented with adding just a few drops of it to my PG liquid. Then a few more drops. I found a tolerance level, where I get no rash, but I still have enough VG in the juice to get a better vapor (and not quite as dry). But my regular use of a little VG in my juice probably coincides with the mucus problem starting.
I'm going to keep drinking a good amount of water every day and clean my atty and cart regularly and hopefully that'll solve the problem. If not, I'll try eliminating the VG.
Yeah I was gonna say that...it is high pollen season right now, so don't discount that possibility. Its killing me this year. Cant even keep my car clean for a day the oak pollen is SO heavy this year.
@Coughingbad do a search here or youtube there is a nice video and thread explaining how to use a children's medicine syringe from walgreens with hot water. You can also just boil then, place on a cookie sheet with oven on low to dry them out. Think cartos probably the worst offender here with that disgusting filler.
No increased phlem for me just enjoying reading the thread.
@Coughingbad do a search here or youtube there is a nice video and thread explaining how to use a children's medicine syringe from walgreens with hot water. You can also just boil then, place on a cookie sheet with oven on low to dry them out. Think cartos probably the worst offender here with that disgusting filler.
No increased phlem for me just enjoying reading the thread.
Hey guys- I have to say I had noticed the phlegm buildup in the throat, and even some nights I was having some trouble breathing. I tried keeping in mind that the liquid base is hygroscopic, it takes moisture from your lungs and airways. I always noticed dry mouth and whatnot from vaping when I first started. If you look around on the web, you will find that dehydration causes the mucous in your lungs to thicken. (and it effects every organ adversely of course)
Anyways, Ive been vaping for over a year, a while ago I had made the effort to drink a lot of water every day, and by a lot I just mean the recommended amount (somewhere around 64 ounces). I no longer have any problems whatsoever, and I vape over 5ml a day easily (Mostly due to the blog and reviewing juice, etc.)
Anyways, I would put my money on dehydration honestly.
Anyways, Ive been vaping for over a year, a while ago I had made the effort to drink a lot of water every day, and by a lot I just mean the recommended amount (somewhere around 64 ounces). I no longer have any problems whatsoever, and I vape over 5ml a day easily (Mostly due to the blog and reviewing juice, etc.)
Anyways, I would put my money on dehydration honestly.
I've noticed my asthma seems to be coming back, but friends of mine that quit smoking in other manners (that also used to have asthma) had the same issues. Lungs getting back to "normal," I just got an inhaler that I have to use sometimes now (normally at night).
I went digging to find this thread again because I wanted to post an update:
For a few months, I was having chronic problems with very thick whitish mucus and I realized the other day that it had been quite a while since I'd experienced it. The problem basically just went away on its own. I'm still sure it was related to vaping because I had no symptoms of being sick or anything and it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced from allergies. But what I also know is that it wasn't purely a side effect of vaping. If it was, I'd still have the problem because I haven't stopped or reduced how much I vape, nor have I switched liquids or changed the type of ecig equipment that I use. And I never did start cleaning my atties regularly like I said I was going to nor did I keep up with drinking extra water for more than maybe a a couple weeks (which had helped only a little anyway).
What I'm thinking is that it was a situation where the vapor caused mucus from allergies to be extra thick. PG is drying, so it makes sense. Anyway, that's my story — problem resolved completely on its own after a few months. If it happens again, I won't be surprised, but I also won't worry that it's any long-term side effect from vaping. I'll know it's a temporary annoyance.
For a few months, I was having chronic problems with very thick whitish mucus and I realized the other day that it had been quite a while since I'd experienced it. The problem basically just went away on its own. I'm still sure it was related to vaping because I had no symptoms of being sick or anything and it was unlike anything I'd ever experienced from allergies. But what I also know is that it wasn't purely a side effect of vaping. If it was, I'd still have the problem because I haven't stopped or reduced how much I vape, nor have I switched liquids or changed the type of ecig equipment that I use. And I never did start cleaning my atties regularly like I said I was going to nor did I keep up with drinking extra water for more than maybe a a couple weeks (which had helped only a little anyway).
What I'm thinking is that it was a situation where the vapor caused mucus from allergies to be extra thick. PG is drying, so it makes sense. Anyway, that's my story — problem resolved completely on its own after a few months. If it happens again, I won't be surprised, but I also won't worry that it's any long-term side effect from vaping. I'll know it's a temporary annoyance.
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I find that when you vape, you dehydrate easier... drink more water and try to avoid as much caffeine products... all I can suggest of my personal experience...
I have to say I have slight experience of this but as a previous post, at least I'm not hacking anything up like I use to off real cigs...
I have to say I have slight experience of this but as a previous post, at least I'm not hacking anything up like I use to off real cigs...
As regular readers will know, I have long favored using VG at no more than 20%, because of the real potential for thermal decomposition.
As an aside, I have noticed recently that - and this is a tentative conclusion only - is that my observation of more likelihood of burnt tastes with high VG liquids seems only to occur when there is ethanol in the liquid (as flavoring solvent). It is possible that the ethanol itself is the cause of the bad taste or that it affects the homogeneity of the liquid when wicking or in some other way is detrimental to the whole. This will take more time to elucidate. But I have not noticed in the absence of ethanol, any particular increase in bad tastes with VG at 50% which i recently retried, so the decompostion issue at that strength might be pretty minimal (even close to zero). With the caveat that by making the liquid more viscous and thereby less quick to replenish liquid at the heater coil, burning of the filler is still more likely. This can be mitigated by topping up sooner and vaping less vigorously.
Now the key point; and it again leads me to favor low use of VG. It relates to residual film, phlegm creation/thickening and atomizer/cartomizer cleanliness.
PG is known as an antimicrobial, and this includes yeast and moulds (probably the most serious infecting agents, over bacteria, as mycotoxins can be extremely toxic).
VG on the other hand, when diluted (as would be the case after vaping and the VG is in the mouth, throat and lungs), is a good medium for bacteria, mould and yeast growth (see for example candida infection symptoms). So in this respect PG and VG are very different - polar opposites, with VG being suspect as a good choice for vaping.
See, for example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_medium
This is acerbated by another difference - in the unheated evaporation rate. The difference is huge; and easily tested by anyone. Place a drop of VG on a saucer, and a drop of PG (or PG based liquid) on another. The PG will be gone in hours (as would a water drop) whereas the VG will still be there after weeks. The unknown, afaik, is whether the VG gets absorbed by the lungs or rather how well, or does it linger for a long time, coating the airways and impairing breathing, and of course providing a medium for microbials to flourish?
As an aside, I have noticed recently that - and this is a tentative conclusion only - is that my observation of more likelihood of burnt tastes with high VG liquids seems only to occur when there is ethanol in the liquid (as flavoring solvent). It is possible that the ethanol itself is the cause of the bad taste or that it affects the homogeneity of the liquid when wicking or in some other way is detrimental to the whole. This will take more time to elucidate. But I have not noticed in the absence of ethanol, any particular increase in bad tastes with VG at 50% which i recently retried, so the decompostion issue at that strength might be pretty minimal (even close to zero). With the caveat that by making the liquid more viscous and thereby less quick to replenish liquid at the heater coil, burning of the filler is still more likely. This can be mitigated by topping up sooner and vaping less vigorously.
Now the key point; and it again leads me to favor low use of VG. It relates to residual film, phlegm creation/thickening and atomizer/cartomizer cleanliness.
PG is known as an antimicrobial, and this includes yeast and moulds (probably the most serious infecting agents, over bacteria, as mycotoxins can be extremely toxic).
VG on the other hand, when diluted (as would be the case after vaping and the VG is in the mouth, throat and lungs), is a good medium for bacteria, mould and yeast growth (see for example candida infection symptoms). So in this respect PG and VG are very different - polar opposites, with VG being suspect as a good choice for vaping.
See, for example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_medium
This is acerbated by another difference - in the unheated evaporation rate. The difference is huge; and easily tested by anyone. Place a drop of VG on a saucer, and a drop of PG (or PG based liquid) on another. The PG will be gone in hours (as would a water drop) whereas the VG will still be there after weeks. The unknown, afaik, is whether the VG gets absorbed by the lungs or rather how well, or does it linger for a long time, coating the airways and impairing breathing, and of course providing a medium for microbials to flourish?
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Some thoughts on cleaning.
PGA, while good for combatting bateria is not, afaik, effective against molds. So I suggest considering (also) vinegar, hydrogen peroxide (3%) and (maybe less effective) boiling water. Vinegar and H2O2 would require considerable rinsing after and may be infeasable for cartomizers (but useful for things like tips, mixing and storage jars, etc.
Suggestions: The PGA approach might be the best practical cleaning option. If possible (no 'allergy'), include at least some PG in your e-liquids. Throw out cartomizers after a week, regardless. If a cartomizer will not be used for a while, rinse it out and dry well before storage (though throwing out may be better, especially if you suspect you have a problem). Last rinse should ideally be with distilled water.
PGA, while good for combatting bateria is not, afaik, effective against molds. So I suggest considering (also) vinegar, hydrogen peroxide (3%) and (maybe less effective) boiling water. Vinegar and H2O2 would require considerable rinsing after and may be infeasable for cartomizers (but useful for things like tips, mixing and storage jars, etc.
Suggestions: The PGA approach might be the best practical cleaning option. If possible (no 'allergy'), include at least some PG in your e-liquids. Throw out cartomizers after a week, regardless. If a cartomizer will not be used for a while, rinse it out and dry well before storage (though throwing out may be better, especially if you suspect you have a problem). Last rinse should ideally be with distilled water.
This is extremely interesting because even though we should all know the are virtually no health benefits for vaping other than avoiding analogs, it would be interesting to see what would be or seem to be the safer option to vape!
When I smoked I would wake up in the morn and have to cough up black/bown stuff from my lungs hardcore that would leave me feeling ill if I smoked alot the past day/night. Ever since I started vaping this problem went away completly. I don't cough at all when I wake up now...Thats all I needed to see to know vaping is way better and safer than smoking analogs.
I chain vape more than 10ml of different mixes of PG/VG and lots of diff flavors at high voltages every day from when I wake up untill I go to sleep and my PV hardly ever leaves my hand. The only thing I notice is vaping makes my nose run more than usual...very small price to pay.
I hope you (OP) can figure out what is causing your problems...it may or may not be vaping and everybody reacts different to everything.
I chain vape more than 10ml of different mixes of PG/VG and lots of diff flavors at high voltages every day from when I wake up untill I go to sleep and my PV hardly ever leaves my hand. The only thing I notice is vaping makes my nose run more than usual...very small price to pay.
I hope you (OP) can figure out what is causing your problems...it may or may not be vaping and everybody reacts different to everything.
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