Hello. New to vaping. Gonna pick up a subox mini setup from Kanger tomorrow. Seems like a good deal (local shop kit+battery for about $100, probably cheaper online but ya know...) but I was wondering what made this a "starter kit". Starter for the kit meaning it comes with major stuff like charger and an rba? Starter for a new vaper? I figured a cheap clearomizer would be more "starter" than this 50w box mod or is it listed as "starter" because it's only 50w vs a 150w? Thanks guys!
Subox mini a "starter kit"?
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I think it's a fantastic starter kit considering most people know they want to go straight into sub-ohm vaping, and it comes with both an atomizer and a device to stick the atomizer on top of. It's guaranteed they're compatible because it all comes in one convenient kit.
Additionally, it offers pre-built heads (great for no-fuss people who don't wanna fiddle with an RBA), and the ability to rebuild the tank section, meaning a newbie vaper can try their hand at the RBA and -- if they fail -- switch back to the pre-built heads. No real down-time.
The only extra things you need are juice/battery/charger. Most other kits require purchasers to look into compatible atomizers for their device (or compatible devices for their atomizers).
I was an early-adopter and I love it.
Additionally, it offers pre-built heads (great for no-fuss people who don't wanna fiddle with an RBA), and the ability to rebuild the tank section, meaning a newbie vaper can try their hand at the RBA and -- if they fail -- switch back to the pre-built heads. No real down-time.
The only extra things you need are juice/battery/charger. Most other kits require purchasers to look into compatible atomizers for their device (or compatible devices for their atomizers).
I was an early-adopter and I love it.
As I said in another post, it does qualify as a 'starter' in a way, as you can vape it at most power levels, and it's just a plug and play system if you use the factory atomizer heads.
For me, it is way more 'starter' than some other kits on the market...
The potential of the battery (watts) doesn't mean you can't use really beginner equipment (clearos/tanks) if you want.
For me, it is way more 'starter' than some other kits on the market...
The potential of the battery (watts) doesn't mean you can't use really beginner equipment (clearos/tanks) if you want.
I like the kit a lot. 50 watts is a greater starter wattage given majority of vapers dont go above that even with rdas. It allows u too expand your vape gear in the future too because you can add an rda on and start building.
Well I was given a clearomizer from my mother who quit all together and while it will give me the buzz I'm looking for at 12mg nicotine, I have to puff for about 30 minutes continuously to get that buzz. Maybe a higher nicotine level needed? Maybe more smoke? On another note it leaks no matter what I do to try and fix it and it burns the heck out of my throat even after I changed the atomizer. This may be due to too much pg and the fact that the juice is some local shops own blend but anyway it was between making a mech mod and spending hours doing the research or sucking it up and spending the money of a variable wattage box mod that will last and serve me well. I chose the subox mini.
I would advise getting a cheap drip tip when you pick it up. The Subbox/Subtank is a much more airy draw than a cig. If you pick up a more restrictive drip tip and only open the air to the smallest or second smallest hole on the Subtank it will make it a more reasonable to mouth to lung (like a cig) as opposed to starting off on lung hits. I would also advise starting with the 1.5 ohm coil until you figure out how everything works. The rule of thumb is to start with low power, take a hit and then bump the power up, take a hit...etc If it gets too warm or starts to taste burnt then back it down. I'd suggest around 10 to 12 watts power as a good beginning point.
The Subbox is not a starter kit in my opinion.
The Subbox is not a starter kit in my opinion.
Can't I just close the air intake a lot and use the subox attachment and get a nice throat hit? And why does everyone seem to vape under 20 watts on 50 and 100 watt systems? Why then, would you need 50-100 watts? And KEN47, what other "vape gear" would you buy besides what comes in the box? Besides a better rba or a higher ml tank or different tip? And if it makes any difference at all to what you guys think about me going for a subox mini. I'm a pack a day smoker of Newport's.
It's a starter kit because it comes with everything but juice. Admittedly, it is a larger and more powerful piece of gear than many people start with. That's good, though, as it gives you room to grow and space to find your own vape. It's not a bare minimum kit. Good choice, BTW, and welcome to the board. Sing out if you have any questions.
There are reasons for high power. Some people like to blow clouds occasionally. Fancy coil builds can use up a lot of watts just to get hot without a insanely long ramp time. Mostly it's the difference between a Corvette and a Celica. You don't use it every day, maybe, but it's nice to know it's in there when you want it.
^^^^ This ^^^^
It's a "Starter Kit" because it comes with everything you need except the juice. Someone who has never had an ecig before and doesn't have any batteries, charger, or anything else can walk in, buy this kit and a bottle of juice, and that's all they need to start vaping.
The power of the mod or the resistance of the coil have nothing to do with it. It's simply a matter of having everything all included in the kit.
One more question unrelated to the starter kit(not totally unrelated). I understand most about the batteries except the amps. I saw a video where one guy said he put in a 25 amp battery but he said he could have used a 35 amp battery. What does that mean and would it have anything to do with voltage? Wattage? Resistance?
I like to use this analogy....
You probably don't drive your car around at 100% throttle much, if at all. So, does that mean you would be happy if it had 50-75% less horsepower?
There's also a longevity issue in that regard. If you have a 10W mod and you're running it at 10W all of the time then you're probably stressing the circuitry a lot more than you would running a 100W mod at 10W all of the time. The more you stress the chips the shorter lifespan they will have.
Well, here's a partial list of the "vape gear" I own...
6 clearomizers
2 rebuildable tank atomizers
2 rebuildable dripping atomizers
3 spools of kanthal wire in different gauges
1 spool of Ni200 nickel wire
Ohms meter
Multimeter
small pair of wire cutters
Butane torch
small sharp scissors
Japanese cotton
blunt tip syringes (12 10ml and 2 100ml)
12 30ml plastic bottles with dropper tips
6 250ml plastic bottles with adjustable tip
2mm, 2.5mm, and 3mm dowl rods
2mm, 2.5mm, and 3mm machine screws
needle nose pliers
small telescoping magnet
Nitecore D4 battery charger
8 18650 batteries
3 USB charging cables
jewelers screwdriver set
And that's just a partial list. Once you get into rebuilding and DIY juices there is a lot of gear you can get and use.
He said it was just his partial list, the rest of the list contains duct tape, a shovel, rope, a tarp.. In the context it begins to make more sense.
(I kid).
They're presumably for wrapping coils (dowel rods of different diameters are pretty nifty for that). People use torches for heating up their wire prior to wrapping with it, both to get out impurities (potentially) and make the wire easier to work with.
A "Starter" kit should have everything somebody would need who is just starting out.
It should have all you need to get started: mod, batteries, charger, tank/topper, and maybe even a small bottle of eliquid too
He was talking about the C rating of the battery. The C rating is the battery's maximum safe discharge capacity, and every new regulated mod on the market that is designed to push high wattage is going to require at least a 20 amp capable battery. The good news is that 20+ amp batteries are pretty much standard gear for vapers these days and they are easy to find just about anywhere.
Speaking of batteries, I would strongly advise you to pick up a few in addition to a *good* charger to complement your Kanger starter kit (which I think is a great choice, BTW). Xtar makes some fantastic chargers.
Nicotine absorption is slower with vaping than with smoking.
What nicotine level to use depends on the power (wattage) level.
Rule of thumb: watts x nicotine level in mg = 100.
so 12mg would be about 10 watts
The wattage that you vape at depends on the coil you vape on.
If you use coil designed for 10-20 watts, it's going to burn if you try to put 50 watts through it.
Is it a "Starter Kit": Absolutely... Does it need a Battery: Absolutely. Still an Awesome Starter Kit.
Actually, it's a "Starter Kit" that can age with you to become much more and remain relevant long after the User has grown from Starter to experienced Vaper.
So I suppose given that, it's not a "Starter Kit". It's really a "Vape Life Kit".
Personally I have a Kbox and the SubBox Kit and an additional STM to run the Ni200 OCC Coils in for TC and build Ti on the RBA Deck.
I also have several Mechs and RDAs/RTAs and advanced Variable Mods as do a lot of SubBox Owners and still dig these little "Starters" for specific Times & Needs.
I only wish this "Starter Kit" would have been around 5 years ago when I was a "Starter". Would have saved a TON of Cash and been a lot more satisfied in doing so.
Buy it. You won't be disappointed now or several years from now for having paid the Benji to get it and a Battery & Charger.
Actually, it's a "Starter Kit" that can age with you to become much more and remain relevant long after the User has grown from Starter to experienced Vaper.
So I suppose given that, it's not a "Starter Kit". It's really a "Vape Life Kit".
Personally I have a Kbox and the SubBox Kit and an additional STM to run the Ni200 OCC Coils in for TC and build Ti on the RBA Deck.
I also have several Mechs and RDAs/RTAs and advanced Variable Mods as do a lot of SubBox Owners and still dig these little "Starters" for specific Times & Needs.
I only wish this "Starter Kit" would have been around 5 years ago when I was a "Starter". Would have saved a TON of Cash and been a lot more satisfied in doing so.
Buy it. You won't be disappointed now or several years from now for having paid the Benji to get it and a Battery & Charger.
If a 25 amp battery will do, then anything higher would also be fine, but lower might not be.
watts = volts x amps.
using 50 watts, and 3 volts
50 = 3 x amps
amps = about 17 amps
You want a 20 amp battery to use in a 50 watt mod.
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