Suggestion: "Vaper's Anonymous"?

[nyiddle]

I was thinking about it, and a lot of the topics these days are pretty hotly debated, and it seems that some people aren't willing to openly voice their opinions because they're so widely contested. (I've received messages from a few people who agree with me, but won't reply in a thread because they don't want to deal with the flack.) I can understand, really, I've been there.

Beyond that, a sub-forum/sub-section where people could post anonymously about their vaper's "sins" -- a sort of "confessional" in a way. ie: "I slipped the other week, but didn't tell my s/o" or something like that.

Looked into it really quickly and such a plugin does exist (a few actually) for XenForo.

https://xenforo.com/community/resources/bd-anonymous-posting.970/

I realize it's a pretty hefty suggestion, and would require planning prior to implementation, but I think it'd be a really neat and unique idea. I'd participate.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Anon posting creates a slaughterhouse of verbal abuse. Seen it on many forums over the years.
We are anon enough on here.
Just my opinion though.

 

[nyiddle]

Anon posting creates a slaughterhouse of verbal abuse. Seen it on many forums over the years.
We are anon enough on here.
Just my opinion though.

I mean, I suppose that's the one major potential risk. And the mods/admins already have their work cut out for them cleaning up the regular forums. So yeah, idk, it was just a suggestion.

 

[retired1]

Ugh. No, anonymous posting will not be considered here (not to mention, we'd still know who it was.)

If you don't want it associated with you, don't put it on the Internet.

 

[nyiddle]

Ugh. No, anonymous posting will not be considered here (not to mention, we'd still know who it was.)

I mean, that's good in my eyes. It'd mean that people have some incentive to not simply troll/flame/bash.

If you don't want it associated with you, don't put it on the Internet.

Hm, it was less about "not being associated" with one's opinions, I stand by most of my own pretty strong. It was more about the idea of a safe haven for people to post, maybe, unfavorable opinions. Maybe someone thinks a forum's favorite juice company/vendor is over-hyped, or being dishonest, but knows that the fallout would be tremendous if they made a thread in the e-liquid forum, and there would likely be nothing discussed because people don't want to go against the grain/the thread would quickly devolve (and perhaps end in closing and deletion).

I suppose that's still avoiding association with statements, and I suppose nothing would stop the same results from happening in an anonymous forum, it just feels like people are more likely to be honest in an anonymous setting.

Eh, whatever, was just a thought.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

People seemed to put some pretty strong opinions in the 5 Pawns threads and such.
Was on the borderline of being too rowdy.

 

[nyiddle]

People seemed to put some pretty strong opinions in the 5 Pawns threads and such.
Was on the borderline of being too rowdy.

That's a good example of a thread I would've participated in, but unfortunately my opinion would be pretty unfavorable.

I mean.. I guess I'll just say it: Nicoticket's "Sure Bert" has more AP than 5 Pawns' highest AP juice, and they were just as transparent about it as 5 Pawns.. Where's the rowdy thread for that? Has anyone even mentioned that? Not that I can see. Because it would be a highly contested, dissenting opinion with the fallout being plenty of judgments and prejudices being passed onto the OP(s), and the thread would likely be closed before a reasonable discussion could happen.

Not saying it wouldn't be the same in an anonymous situation, but people might be more honest as a result.

Like I said, whatever. Just a thought.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Many people think that because they bought something, use it or like it there just cannot be anything wrong with it.
Personally I do not understand that illogical stance but it is out there rampantly.
Something to do with pack mentality? I dunno.

I have no heroes and march to no band. I just follow my own nose, and it does sometimes lead me astray

On the diketones AP, etc thing I don't care if they are in there but many/most do. I vape because I like it better than cigs, it is cheaper and my wife gives me no grief over it. Not for health reasons. I like the CAP V! flavorings and such and vape em.

It is wrong big time for any company to mislead or outright lie to their customers on this issue. And yes even though I like the bad stuff I will tend to not buy from companies that do that. What else could they be lying to me about?

 

[snork]

I was thinking about it, and a lot of the topics these days are pretty hotly debated, and it seems that some people aren't willing to openly voice their opinions because they're so widely contested. (I've received messages from a few people who agree with me, but won't reply in a thread because they don't want to deal with the flack.) I can understand, really, I've been there.

Beyond that, a sub-forum/sub-section where people could post anonymously about their vaper's "sins" -- a sort of "confessional" in a way. ie: "I slipped the other week, but didn't tell my s/o" or something like that.

Looked into it really quickly and such a plugin does exist (a few actually) for XenForo.

https://xenforo.com/community/resources/bd-anonymous-posting.970/

I realize it's a pretty hefty suggestion, and would require planning prior to implementation, but I think it'd be a really neat and unique idea. I'd participate.

I love that idea. The best times, the best Internet discussion, the most amazing social interactions I've ever seen were amongst truly anonymous users. Totally not doable here though, not to management ethically nor to users technically. But at any rate, yeah!

 

[nyiddle]

Many people think that because they bought something, use it or like it there just cannot be anything wrong with it.
Personally I do not understand that illogical stance but it is out there rampantly.
Something to do with pack mentality? I dunno.

I have no heroes and march to no band. I just follow my own nose, and it does sometimes lead me astray

On the diketones AP, etc thing I don't care if they are in there but many/most do. I vape because I like it better than cigs, it is cheaper and my wife gives me no grief over it. Not for health reasons. I like the CAP V! flavorings and such and vape em.

It is wrong big time for any company to mislead or outright lie to their customers on this issue. And yes even though I like the bad stuff I will tend to not buy from companies that do that. What else could they be lying to me about?

I realize this thread is taking a strange turn, and is already pretty much dead, but I'll respond with this:

I care a lot about whether or not diketones are in my juice. If the company didn't realize that a flavoring contained diketones, that's one thing, but I think any juices that are discovered to have diketones should be pulled immediately, even it means the company dumping out their product. The diketone situation with Five Pawns pretty much resulted in the death of the company (they're still in business, but their public image is in utter shambles).

I'm not wishing the same onto Nicoticket by any means, but I am sorely disappointed that they haven't pulled Sure Bert, as Five Pawns did the same when they realized the level of AP in "Absolute Pin." Everyone, even Five Pawns, was sort of taken aback by those results, as they set a new "highest measured level" of AP in any e-liquid.. Not only that, the levels of AP in Sure Bert actually trump the "high score" that Absolute Pin set.

Was about to post this and figured I'd check.. It appears Nicoticket either sold out of Sure Bert or pulled it and destroyed their stock. Good on them, but it took about 4 months from the time that their test results were posted. That's not really acting in the best interest of vapers, and is actually a lower-blow than Five Pawns (you can still find Absolute Pin on some sites, but not on the Five Pawn site, ever since the test results were published).

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I go for informing the customers and letting them decide. Not making it unavailable to everyone.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Nicoticket's "Sure Bert" has more AP than 5 Pawns' highest AP juice, and they were just as transparent about it as 5 Pawns.. Where's the rowdy thread for that? Has anyone even mentioned that? Not that I can see.

I believe the biggest issue with 5 Pawns, was that people asked about diketones, and low level customer service responded with "we don't add diketones", then that other company tested the juice, and it did contain, them, and quite a bit.

That was the biggest issue. The "lie".
Nickoticket never lied. They put the info out there. And THAT is what everyone was clamoring for.
Prior to all that fuss, NT did have disclaimers on juice, that while it did not contain diacytel, it did contain AP. Just not the quantity.

As far as your desire for an outright ban...well...alcohol has destroyed far more lives. Shouldn't it be banned too?

 

[retired1]

Not the forum for this. Closing.