SXmini G class - sometimes give less vapor

[Gano]

Hi all,

I am new here and this is how I say hi... by asking for help

Recently, I bought sxmini G class and I have a question about it.
I am working on powerful+ mode, watt 18 w) , and an MTL aspire nautilus 2 tank.

It happens that the first couple of fire hits i get more vapor than later hits.
It is working but I am asking about how it works and if this is a normal behavior.
So for example, when it is kept aside not working for some time, and i press the fire button to take the first shot, it gives more vapor than after 3 or 4 fire hits where vapor feels and looks weaker.

Is it normal?

Thanks,

 

[vapdivrr]

Hi all,

I am new here and this is how I say hi... by asking for help [emoji14]

Recently, I bought sxmini G class and I have a question about it.
I am working on powerful+ mode, watt 18 w) , and an MTL aspire nautilus 2 tank.

It happens that the first couple of fire hits i get more vapor than later hits.
It is working but I am asking about how it works and if this is a normal behavior.
So for example, when it is kept aside not working for some time, and i press the fire button to take the first shot, it gives more vapor than after 3 or 4 fire hits where vapor feels and looks weaker.

Is it normal?

Thanks,

It probably because when it sits, the wick is more saturated and after a few hits it drys out some....what pg/vg ratio juice are you using? Maybe a thinner juice might wick a little faster....

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[stols001]

Um. Are you running it in wattage mode, would be my first question? Do you have a user profile, possibly set to "Hard" (or some similar mode). Some mods you can set up to give you a slightly harder (or softer) first hit to get the equipment going. If it's just straight up wattage mode, I'd actually expect the reverse, especially if it's colder.... The tank/coil should warm up and possibly produce more vapor (slightly) as its used, or require less lengthy hits as all your materials are warmed up.

I don't know what, exactly, might or might not be causing your problem, but if it's straight wattage mode, unless you are starting to experience battery sag or something, I wouldn't necessarily expect that to happen. How long have you had the mod? Have you tried other tanks and stuff? I don't have that mod, so I can't give you specifics, sorry, but I hope you figure out the solution. Could it be as simple as you are taking less powerful/lengthy draws as you vape, do you think?

Anna

ETA: I'd go with what @vapdivrr posted first, as I was formulating my response, that seems far more plausible to me. It could be your wicking, and in a small MTL tank, sometimes it's hard to keep wicking even. If you are using a high VG juice that might add to the issue.... I tended to keep inhaling a second or two after hitting the fire button in my N2 tanks just to keep wicking more consistent. Best of luck.

 

[Gano]

It probably because when it sits, the wick is more saturated and after a few hits it drys out some....what pg/vg ratio juice are you using? Maybe a thinner juice might wick a little faster....

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Thanks for reply.. i am using 50/50.. and the case is lets say i give it 10 hits in sequence.. 1st two will have a lotof vapor.. then 3rd may get weaker.. then can get stronger again in 5th and 6th.. seems random.. there is still vapor and flavor with weak hits, dont know is it the mechanism of how it works or it is a faulty unit

 

[vapdivrr]

Thanks for reply.. i am using 50/50.. and the case is lets say i give it 10 hits in sequence.. 1st two will have a lotof vapor.. then 3rd may get weaker.. then can get stronger again in 5th and 6th.. seems random.. there is still vapor and flavor with weak hits, dont know is it the mechanism of how it works or it is a faulty unit

Maybe it does have something to do with the way the chip senses heat, but am not to familiar with that mod....maybe someone with that mod knows a little better

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[Gano]

Thanks alot.. aside question. What coil type shall I choose in settings.. is nautilus 2 coil considered ss316l?
Thanks

 

[lupinehorror]

Thanks alot.. aside question. What coil type shall I choose in settings.. is nautilus 2 coil considered ss316l?
Thanks

what type is your coil? kanthal most likely...stay in VW mode

 

[Gano]

It is the standard bvd nautilus 2 coil.. mtl tank.. sxmini doesnt have kanthal mode..i used to have dna75 .. it had kanthal but in sxmini g it doesnt.. i am in watt mode

 

[stols001]

Even vaping kanthal with a "kanthal" temp mode can be a bit questionable. The only coil you can get for your N2 that will work in "temp" mode would be an aspire triton MINI (not the regular) ceramic coil, it is my understanding those are harder to find. As far as I know there are no TC coils specifically for the nautilus, the nautilus mini, and the Nautilus 2. Do NOT vape them in temp mode, even if you think you have something that does "temp Kanthal" would be my advice.

If you really want to test out your N2 in temp mode, you'll need the aspire triton mini ceramic coil, and it may be hard to find.

If you are manually dexterous, there are online tutorials on recoiling an N2 coil, if you want to get super tedious and whatnot. With that said, you could recoil one with stainless steel wire that you get yourself. I don't know how well it would perform given it's such a tiny coil, but I guess it would be technically possible should you undertake this horrific task and etc. The nice thing is if it doesn't do well in temp mode, it's also safe to use in wattage mode. Steam-engine.org will be helpful too in figuring out what gauge of SS wire you'd need to wrap such a tiny, vertical coil.

My impulse (not backed up by any facts) would be to say that you've kind of got a 50/50 shot of that working or not, I don't know of anyone who routinely coils their N2 with SS and then temp vapes them, unfortunately that's not really so much for what these coils are designed for.

Best of luck,

Anna

 

[Gano]

Even vaping kanthal with a "kanthal" temp mode can be a bit questionable. The only coil you can get for your N2 that will work in "temp" mode would be an aspire triton MINI (not the regular) ceramic coil, it is my understanding those are harder to find. As far as I know there are no TC coils specifically for the nautilus, the nautilus mini, and the Nautilus 2. Do NOT vape them in temp mode, even if you think you have something that does "temp Kanthal" would be my advice.

If you really want to test out your N2 in temp mode, you'll need the aspire triton mini ceramic coil, and it may be hard to find.

If you are manually dexterous, there are online tutorials on recoiling an N2 coil, if you want to get super tedious and whatnot. With that said, you could recoil one with stainless steel wire that you get yourself. I don't know how well it would perform given it's such a tiny coil, but I guess it would be technically possible should you undertake this horrific task and etc. The nice thing is if it doesn't do well in temp mode, it's also safe to use in wattage mode. Steam-engine.org will be helpful too in figuring out what gauge of SS wire you'd need to wrap such a tiny, vertical coil.

My impulse (not backed up by any facts) would be to say that you've kind of got a 50/50 shot of that working or not, I don't know of anyone who routinely coils their N2 with SS and then temp vapes them, unfortunately that's not really so much for what these coils are designed for.

Best of luck,

Anna

Thanks alot.. valiable thread

Now still the question does my expensive sxmini G mod works correctly

 

[stols001]

If it's not that noticeable, it may be your wick having a hard time keeping up, as was stated. I would try a higher PG juice and make sure you have airflow and see what happens.

If the mod itself is somehow "dropping off" electrically, then yes, something is wrong with your mod, or at least the way you are using it.

If you have a knowledgeable vape shop near you, this may be one of those times to troubleshoot and/or email your vendor. If you try to increase your wicking and airflow and it is still happening (and you've tried a thinner juice). Do those steps, if it's still happening, take it somewhere if you can. I'm doubtful that an electronic fault would cause this type of event but I suppose even if implausible, it could happen.

If you have any (known) tanks to try, try them and see how they vape. AND, be certain you are not using some sort of "user" mode (many mods have them nowadays, and you may have inadvertently put yourself in some "wavery up and down" output situation, is the other possibility.

At this point, no one can tell you. You need to test out the variables that have been pointed out. ONCE you do that and the problem persists, step one for me would be vape shop, and step two, warranty it only if necessary.

Anna

 

[Gano]

If it's not that noticeable, it may be your wick having a hard time keeping up, as was stated. I would try a higher PG juice and make sure you have airflow and see what happens.

If the mod itself is somehow "dropping off" electrically, then yes, something is wrong with your mod, or at least the way you are using it.

If you have a knowledgeable vape shop near you, this may be one of those times to troubleshoot and/or email your vendor. If you try to increase your wicking and airflow and it is still happening (and you've tried a thinner juice). Do those steps, if it's still happening, take it somewhere if you can. I'm doubtful that an electronic fault would cause this type of event but I suppose even if implausible, it could happen.

If you have any (known) tanks to try, try them and see how they vape. AND, be certain you are not using some sort of "user" mode (many mods have them nowadays, and you may have inadvertently put yourself in some "wavery up and down" output situation, is the other possibility.

At this point, no one can tell you. You need to test out the variables that have been pointed out. ONCE you do that and the problem persists, step one for me would be vape shop, and step two, warranty it only if necessary.

Anna

Thanks once again for the detailed reply.

Well, this is my 2nd day using the sxmini G.. and before it I had Therion DNA75. In the SXMINI G I am using such mode called powerful+ which works in a way that starts with a little biy high wattage then goes down to the watt in my settings to give the best flavor.. as per what they say in the description.
It really gives good flavor..
But the mass of vapor changes over my vaping sequence which makes me think .. is it normal or this is the way the mod works.
I am using the same Nautilus 2 Tank since my last Mod (DNA75).. flavor was less, but mass of vapor was consistent as per what I remember.
So, I was thinking maybe this is how Sxmini works as a part of coil protection or flavor consistency.. but wanted to confirm as i am in my 2nd day using it .. no one I know among my friends has the same mod.. so I have no reference. And want to know as soon as possible to give it back to my friend who got it for me from abroad to return it in case it is faulty, or to keep it if this is the way it works (I like how this mod looks and feels so much)

Still, in the weaker vapes, there is good flavor and vapor.. but noticeably less than other hits..

So, was thinking .. in a forum maybe someone has the same mod who can share his/her experience.. with an MTL tank.

Thanks,
Gano

 

[stols001]

UM, you EXACTLY did what I was wondering. The "mode" you are in is designed to give you "more" vapor at the start and then decrease vapor/wattage. It's a "specific" user mode.

If you just put it in "normal" or "regular" or whatever mode, your vape should remain the exact same wattage per puff. As your coil heats up, that "same" wattage may give you a TINY increase in vapor or heat, but it should either remain even or increase.

There is nothing wrong with the mod at all or the tank. It is the user mode that you selected, and if you want to "test" that just switch modes.

Anna

 

[Gano]

UM, you EXACTLY did what I was wondering. The "mode" you are in is designed to give you "more" vapor at the start and then decrease vapor/wattage. It's a "specific" user mode.

If you just put it in "normal" or "regular" or whatever mode, your vape should remain the exact same wattage per puff. As your coil heats up, that "same" wattage may give you a TINY increase in vapor or heat, but it should either remain even or increase.

There is nothing wrong with the mod at all or the tank. It is the user mode that you selected, and if you want to "test" that just switch modes.

Anna

I am really thankful to your time and detailed explainasion. I forgot to mention that I tried the standard mood.. it works as keeping the wattage fixed accross the vape hit according to the watt settings. But I noticed the same bevaior.. some vapes have less vapor..
I am wondering, if the coil heats up is it the mod mechanism to protect it? I am setting the temperature limit to 200 C... and then when temp goes down it gives more vape again? .. do you thinks this can be the case?

Thanks,
Gano

 

[stols001]

Yes, if you have a set temperature the mod is designed to decrease the vape if the temperature rises. So, if you have temperature control on it will reduce wattage until the temperature goes down.

Only, I don't know why it would be working correctly (or at all) with a kanthal coil. Unless your settings are so low that it actually--sometimes-- works, but probably not like it should.

Just go to STRAIGHT WATTAGE mode and REGULAR/NORMAL mode and then it should vape evenly.

Don't use Temperature control with any metals or coils other than: ceramic, stainless steel, titanium or nickle. Don't use Temperature control with kanthal.

Learn about temperature control (on any mod) before using it with anything.

I would watch a youtube review or two so that you understand your device better. Using mods improperly is not recommended.

Anna

 

[Gano]

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Yes, if you have a set temperature the mod is designed to decrease the vape if the temperature rises. So, if you have temperature control on it will reduce wattage until the temperature goes down.

Only, I don't know why it would be working correctly (or at all) with a kanthal coil. Unless your settings are so low that it actually--sometimes-- works, but probably not like it should.

Just go to STRAIGHT WATTAGE mode and REGULAR/NORMAL mode and then it should vape evenly.

Don't use Temperature control with any metals or coils other than: ceramic, stainless steel, titanium or nickle. Don't use Temperature control with kanthal.

Learn about temperature control (on any mod) before using it with anything.

I would watch a youtube review or two so that you understand your device better. Using mods improperly is not recommended.

Anna

Sorry for asking many questions..
Just highlighting that i am not using TC mode.. I am using wattage mode with no temperature control.. but i have the settings of temperature limit and was wondering if the temperature limit works only with TC mode or with any mode for protection?

Thanks,

 

[vapdivrr]

I agree with anna, because the coils are kanthal, you should be in wattage mode, not tc..and use in standard, not that high mode...that high mode will add to much of an initial burst and dry that sucker out....try both of these and see if it makes a difference. Also closing down the af a bit can bring up more juice to coil, so if that's an option, give it a try

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[PJReid]

You own my dream mod, so I am a bit envious. I want the Gold Edition so maybe if I am very, very good, it will happen.

I agree with everything @stols001 says above about proper modes. I have a Therion DNA 75c and vape in Power (wattage) mode. There is a preheat even in wattage mode. You did say you are vaping in wattage mode, so that should be fine with a Kanthal coil but drop-in coils can't keep up with chain vaping, esp. Kanthal.

IMHO, you are kind of wasting that gorgeous mod by putting a Nautilus 2 on it. Not that there is anything wrong with the Nautilus 2 but I bet the coils are a large part of your problem. They are sucked dry after a couple of hits and have to have time to juice up. You will never find a tank that uses drop-in coils that wicks the e-juice as efficiently as an RTA. That mod is built for a quality RTA or RDA.

 

[MJCSD]

Hello and welcome to ecf

 

[Gano]

You own my dream mod, so I am a bit envious. I want the Gold Edition so maybe if I am very, very good, it will happen.

I agree with everything @stols001 says above about proper modes. I have a Therion DNA 75c and vape in Power (wattage) mode. There is a preheat even in wattage mode. You did say you are vaping in wattage mode, so that should be fine with a Kanthal coil but drop-in coils can't keep up with chain vaping, esp. Kanthal.

IMHO, you are kind of wasting that gorgeous mod by putting a Nautilus 2 on it. Not that there is anything wrong with the Nautilus 2 but I bet the coils are a large part of your problem. They are sucked dry after a couple of hits and have to have time to juice up. You will never find a tank that uses drop-in coils that wicks the e-juice as efficiently as an RTA. That mod is built for a quality RTA or RDA.

Come and take it my friend

I am using nautilus 2 because i am into MTL morw than RTA or RDA... do you recommend a better MTL tank?

Thanks