Taipei weighs in
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“Smoking e-cigarettes should not be regarded as a substitute for smoking, because smokers still absorb nicotine from them,” she said.
Taiwan Society of Health-*Promoting Hospitals president Chiou Shu-ti (邱淑媞) said that consumers risked being poisoned if they smoked too many electronic cigarettes in a short period.
“E-cigarette smokers can also become addicted because of the nicotine,” she said. “What will happen if you absorb too much nicotine? Well, it could kill you.”
OMG.... there's just not enough brain cells to go around, I guess ;-)
“Smoking e-cigarettes should not be regarded as a substitute for smoking, because smokers still absorb nicotine from them,” she said.
Taiwan Society of Health-*Promoting Hospitals president Chiou Shu-ti (邱淑媞) said that consumers risked being poisoned if they smoked too many electronic cigarettes in a short period.
“E-cigarette smokers can also become addicted because of the nicotine,” she said. “What will happen if you absorb too much nicotine? Well, it could kill you.”
OMG.... there's just not enough brain cells to go around, I guess ;-)
Listen, I've decided the "e" in "e-cigs" really stands for Endless.
"You always have that thing in your mouth?"
"Nope. I take it out to sleep."
Endless Cigarette, long may it live.
"You always have that thing in your mouth?"
"Nope. I take it out to sleep."
Endless Cigarette, long may it live.
Bob I got to ask you since you seem to be very realistic on where vaping nicotine may be headed. Do you think all this press coverage will help or harm the future of vaping? I personally would never have joined the ranks without the news coverage. Must be tons of people like me who have recently started vaping or are waiting to try. But I know there are some scary and powerful lobbies out there just waiting to stamp out the next cool fad they feel threatens them.
Realistically, it's been out of our hands for awhile now. The more people who took up e-smoking, the more likely it was to attract press attention. What will follow is attention from the government in a formal fashion, ala Australia.
We've always thought e-smoking was a good thing. We wanted others to share the benefits we perceived we were enjoying. We created forum threads to spread the word. Was there ever a way to keep this a secret? Probably not.
We've always thought e-smoking was a good thing. We wanted others to share the benefits we perceived we were enjoying. We created forum threads to spread the word. Was there ever a way to keep this a secret? Probably not.
Well it doesn't look like an all-out ban at least.
People smoke like chimneys in Taipei
People smoke like chimneys in Taipei
Yeah I see government intervention coming soon too. I posted another thread about Customs not seizing nicotine free products. All the fuss is about the nicotine and not the tools used to inhale it right? Perhaps this is an angle we could use to protect vaping products.
Lorddrek: It's very much the tools, too. The FDA, in its notices to suppliers about confiscations, calls e-cigs "drug delivery devices" that are not approved. And if they're "medical devices," as some countries think of them, then they're also not approved. Lots of folks think e-cigs will be safe from government intervention. I'm not one of those folks, based on the wording in the FDA messages.
No way will these be considered as designed for just having some fun with nicotine-free vapor. Web site promotions and the patents spell out what these are for: Delivery of nicotine in a vapor. We can play word games for awhile, but that will likely only make the master madder when he speaks.
I'm still waiting for the first country to say "golly, these are just great!"
Exactly the opposite is happening around the globe.
No way will these be considered as designed for just having some fun with nicotine-free vapor. Web site promotions and the patents spell out what these are for: Delivery of nicotine in a vapor. We can play word games for awhile, but that will likely only make the master madder when he speaks.
I'm still waiting for the first country to say "golly, these are just great!"
Exactly the opposite is happening around the globe.
There is no way the e-cigarette will ever be banned in Canada. The only possible crackdown will be on the nic juice. I can buy all manner of delivery devices openly in Canada for drugs that are, shall we say, frowned upon.
I'd assume it will be the same in the US and only the packaging will be have to be modified. I see the Volcano is sold in the US so this tends to support the assumption.
I do think the juice needs to be regulated. I know it's not a popular position but its a dangerous substance and it needs to be lab certified and the packaging and handling monitored.
I'd assume it will be the same in the US and only the packaging will be have to be modified. I see the Volcano is sold in the US so this tends to support the assumption.
I do think the juice needs to be regulated. I know it's not a popular position but its a dangerous substance and it needs to be lab certified and the packaging and handling monitored.
Yeah I fear your right on that one. I wonder what will happen to the more heavy duty vaporizers that have been sold for so long. Probably nothing good.
I posted my fears (and yours) in another post and had to quote you. I feel like I am becoming the homeless guy with a sandwich board ringing a bell everyone ignores...
Lorddrek
I posted my fears (and yours) in another post and had to quote you. I feel like I am becoming the homeless guy with a sandwich board ringing a bell everyone ignores...
Lorddrek
Isn't Canada set to issue a ruling on e-smoking this month? I saw that elsewhere. Is it only e-liquid in jeopardy in Canada? Our FDA is playing very hardball on DEVICES, as well as liquid. Of course the liquid is a huge problem ...
I wish you Canadians the best when that ruling comes out. Could be that you'll influence what the U.S. does (Mexico already has cracked down on e-smoking, so that border has been closed). Gotta leave the one with you open!
I wish you Canadians the best when that ruling comes out. Could be that you'll influence what the U.S. does (Mexico already has cracked down on e-smoking, so that border has been closed). Gotta leave the one with you open!
If they are marketed as a smoking cessation device then Health Canada says they will be subject to the Food and Drug Act. As long as suppliers act responsibly we should be fine.
Are the actual devices banned in Australia and Mexico or just the nicotine carts and juices? There seems to be conflicting information on it and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
Are the actual devices banned in Australia and Mexico or just the nicotine carts and juices? There seems to be conflicting information on it and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
Here's a interesting snippet from a CTV article which is probably the ruling you were talking about:
"Health Canada expects to complete its review of e-cigarettes by March of this year. Officials say they have the authority to ask retailers to stop selling any e-cigarettes that claim to be a smoking-cessation aid without having a drug identification number (DIN)."
It's a matter of presentation as opposed to any concerns about a shutdown. I actually agree with Health Canada on this.
"Health Canada expects to complete its review of e-cigarettes by March of this year. Officials say they have the authority to ask retailers to stop selling any e-cigarettes that claim to be a smoking-cessation aid without having a drug identification number (DIN)."
It's a matter of presentation as opposed to any concerns about a shutdown. I actually agree with Health Canada on this.
That would be easy then. Just don't claim what you can't prove! How long has that been advised on this knowledgeable forum?
I view these solely as recreational devices. I use them as I do caffeine, and enjoy nicotine for the same benefits. These can't claim to be "smoking cessation" devices unless and until they pass double-blind clinical trials. Forget the rosy stories here. Those don't count.
If what you say is true, then marketers just have to stop lying and we'll be okay. Hope so.
I view these solely as recreational devices. I use them as I do caffeine, and enjoy nicotine for the same benefits. These can't claim to be "smoking cessation" devices unless and until they pass double-blind clinical trials. Forget the rosy stories here. Those don't count.
If what you say is true, then marketers just have to stop lying and we'll be okay. Hope so.
I am a living being, and as yet, I have not been banned or outlawed....
This is becoming more about a moral imperative.
I know we are not supposed to say this, but it could, and already has, saved lives.
This is becoming more about a moral imperative.
I know we are not supposed to say this, but it could, and already has, saved lives.
A lot of the suppliers that market them that way don't even realize that they're being counter productive. For every 5 people that want to market them the correct way there is one 'SafeCig' putting up billboards.
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OK yes, obviously, as the human race (so why are they getting so uptight about a few e-fags!?)
C'mon, let's quote Tropical Bob " I view these solely as recreational devices." But by heck do they taste good too!!
For info for Nuck, as far as I'm aware (not definitive answer, I'm just trying to amuse the history of the end of the world as we know it!); in Victoria, Australia the 'cartridge' element only is banned. As for Mexico - well try and make some purchases or enquiries from Janty Mexico - jantymexico.com
Another sad tale...
And what about Hong Kong!......
Another sad tale...
totally pointless response here... but yeah... someone used the nun smiley!
Oh dear, I totally misinterpreted what that smiley was doing. Time to go wash my mind out with soap.
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