Tank crackers

[amolson]

Ok, I love my tank crackers. Anise, citrus, cinnamon, clove, menthol, mint, you name it, that's my style. I think most of what I vape are tank crackers.

However, just how many people have actually had a tank crack on them? Especially heavy polycarbonate tanks like you find on a Kayfun? Or the partial ones, like on the Aspire?

Now some juices I can see almost instantly eating a tank, like Pluid or Resurrection. I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about your general run of the mill ECBlends or MBV strength juices. Particularly juices that use standard commercial flavorings, like Flavor West or The Flavor Apprentice.

How real is the danger of cracking a tank? Particularly catastrophically where it shatters or breaks badly enough to leak all the juice at once, not just a little seepage?

Or is this a case for Mythbusters?

 

[serenity21899]

I use the M tank on my Kayfuns, and haven't had it happen yet. I like many of those flavors, too. I keep an extra M tank around, just in case. However, I have seen an apricot flavor melt an Evod in a few seconds. My guess is that a different kind of plastic is used on the Kayfuns.

 

[Ryuukon]

I have actually witnessed more than a few tanks go all melty when a new juice is added to them. But it's only been with juices that are HEAVY in potential tank killing ingredients.

Like I've seen (and used) Thug Juice from MBV in more than 1 Kayfun with an M Tank with no issues, but watched it melt down an iClear 30 in less than 2 minutes. On the other hand, I've never seen Deadly Sin do anything to any tank ever. All depends on the juice, the tank, and how much you want to gamble.

 

[amolson]

I use the M tank on my Kayfuns, and haven't had it happen yet. I like many of those flavors, too. I keep an extra M tank around, just in case. However, I have seen an apricot flavor melt an Evod in a few seconds. My guess is that a different kind of plastic is used on the Kayfuns.

Cool! I wouldn't think they'd be really vulnerable, but wanted to check. And apricot, huh? That one isn't usually classified as a tank buster. Great info. Thanks! Wonder if the Evod is particularly vulnerable. Anyone else have an Evod melt on them?

When we're done here, I'll gather up the information and sort it. That way maybe we can figure out which juices are the worst and like that apricot, find some that might surprise people. For which I'll also need negatives to get any real idea of how prevalent it is. So if you've vaped Fire and Ice, for example, forever in your CE4 and never had anything happen, I'd love to hear about it!

 

[amolson]

I have actually witnessed more than a few tanks go all melty when a new juice is added to them. But it's only been with juices that are HEAVY in potential tank killing ingredients.

Like I've seen (and used) Thug Juice from MBV in more than 1 Kayfun with an M Tank with no issues, but watched it melt down an iClear 30 in less than 2 minutes. On the other hand, I've never seen Deadly Sin do anything to any tank ever. All depends on the juice, the tank, and how much you want to gamble.

So it's usually really fast? I've never seen it, just heard about it. That's really good to know. I.e. if I pour this juice in this tank, it's not likely to fall apart six hours later. Thanks! I would have expected Deadly Sin to at least get some of the more fragile tanks. Interesting.

And how heavy is heavy? Like Fire and Ice or like Ressurection? I've used Hawk Sauce and Monster Energy in my Kayfun and didn't have a problem with them. I've also used Fire and Ice in an Aspire as well with no issues.

Well, I'm all about gambling, but I like to know the odds. For that we need information. (Actually I rarely gamble since I don't make tips anymore.) But keep 'em coming, folks! This is great.

 

[serenity21899]

Cool! I wouldn't think they'd be really vulnerable, but wanted to check. And apricot, huh? That one isn't usually classified as a tank buster. Great info. Thanks! Wonder if the Evod is particularly vulnerable. Anyone else have an Evod melt on them?

When we're done here, I'll gather up the information and sort it. That way maybe we can figure out which juices are the worst and like that apricot, find some that might surprise people. For which I'll also need negatives to get any real idea of how prevalent it is. So if you've vaped Fire and Ice, for example, forever in your CE4 and never had anything happen, I'd love to hear about it!

I cannot say where I buy my vendor juices from as they are banned from ECF. But for DIY, I use Flavor West at 10% for the most part.

 

[amolson]

I cannot say where I buy my vendor juices from as they are banned from ECF. But for DIY, I use Flavor West at 10% for the most part.

Was it FLavor West apricot or another one that ate the Evod?

 

[Spencer87]

my killer juice Cinnamon... ate the tank... Is Gummi bear a tank cracker (Pink spot) Ive got a bottle... thinking of cracking ti open

 

[serenity21899]

Was it FLavor West apricot or another one that ate the Evod?

Dunno, that happened while I was at a vape shop, and also not to me personally.

 

[amolson]

killer- juice cinnamon, huh. What kind of tank? I used Fire and Ice in an Aspire and it didn't seem to do anything.

Gummi bears, anyone? Who's juice?

So Flavor West seems to be mostly innocuous then, even in more typical flavors.

So far the big difference actually seems to be in the tank, not the juice itself. iClear and Evod seem to be leading the way for susceptibility to meltdown.

 

[glointhedark]

My daughter loaded some MBV Wild Cherry into an Evod just before she left work to come home, and before she made it home the tank was done for. She had not seen the disclaimer on the MBV site that Wild Cherry is a tank cracker. We had been using cigalikes for almost 2 years before we got the Evods, so she was not used to having to check. The tank was almost brand new - we had just started using Evods about a week before this happened. First, and so far only, time this has happened to us. Now we mainly use our glass tanks so we don't have to worry about what eliquid we put in them.

 

[amolson]

Thank you for passing that one along. Seems like if the flavor can crack a tank, it will crack an Evod. Which makes sense, as those are one of the most common tanks.

So it stands at, "If you vape with an Evod or a iClear, don't use tank busters. Other tanks, like for the Kayfun don't seem to have the same problem."

Any counter examples?

 

[Mig01]

It is one of the first things I learned of the forum, that some juices were "tank crackers". I have been careful not to use those in my EVOD.
I have been vaping for only three weeks but I already "need" a tank that is "tank cracker" proof cause I really like some of those flavors.
Oh well, still cheaper than smoking.

 

[Nacon]

here's a good list:
E Juice that may break a plastic tanks | Mt Baker Vapor WikiMt Baker Vapor Wiki

 

[amolson]

Actually what I was looking for was flavors that people have actually seen crack tanks, not just "Well, we're going to say this on just about everything so no one complains when their ... cracks." It's like every drug, including sugar pills, now has "Do not take with alcohol" on it. The whole cry wolf thing.

So far we have ...
Apricot - Evod
MBV Wild Cherry - Evod
MBV Thug Juice - Evod

I mean there are obvious ones I wouldn't trust in range of a plastic tank. They've been known to etch coils clean. (And I really, really want some of both of those!) What I'm looking for is what you've actually seen, not just heard about from a friend of a friend. How much of this tank cracking is urban legend and how much of it is significant? I still haven't heard from anyone who's had a Kayfun tank crack on them.

Basically, is tank cracking snopes.com: Is Ice Water Dangerous for Dogs? or is it a real and significant phenomenon for all plastic tanks under a wide range of conditions? (Love snopes, just love them. Great waste of time.)

 

[Spencer87]

killer- juice cinnamon, huh. What kind of tank? I used Fire and Ice in an Aspire and it didn't seem to do anything.

Gummi bears, anyone? Who's juice?

So Flavor West seems to be mostly innocuous then, even in more typical flavors.

So far the big difference actually seems to be in the tank, not the juice itself. iClear and Evod seem to be leading the way for susceptibility to meltdown.

Gummi by pink spot.
I experienced plastic degradation in about 30 min with cinnamon. Red hot. That was in a cheap cubica. Now I have a halo Triton , and don't want to risk it. ....

 

[amolson]

The current list

So far we have ...
Apricot - Evod
MBV Wild Cherry - Evod
MBV Thug Juice - Evod but NOT Kayfun/M tank
Pink Spot Gummi - ?
Red Hot cinnamon - cheap cubica

Interesting. Still seems to be the cheaper/thinner tanks, not the really heavy ones. Anyone actually have a tank melt with citrus? So far we're more looking at stone fruits?! That's weird. Gummi could just have citric acid, which would account for that one.

Wonder if there's a different composition between the heavier Kayfun tanks and the lighter iClear/Evod/Cubica?

 

[Spencer87]

Hmm. Funnily enough, I had thought, when mbv I think said their juice could crack plastic tanks.... I thought it was just a way to say it was powerful. Kinda a joke just saying it had strong flavor. Didn't know a juice could have that power.

 

[TheGiggler64]

Mountain Oak Vapors Blue Drop did this

 

[amolson]

Mountain Oak Vapors Blue Drop did this

Oooh, ouch. Ok then. Something not noted ... watch your drip tips when vaping tank crackers. That's impressive. I do wonder what's causing this, on the technical side. The concentrations of components are not that high. Wonder if it has anything to do with the hydrophyllic nature of base juice components causing the flavorings to break into the plastic chains.

But, yeah, onto the list it goes in a big way. Thank you, Giggler!

The current list

So far we have ...
Apricot - Evod
MBV Wild Cherry - Evod
MBV Thug Juice - Evod but NOT Kayfun/M tank
Mountain Oak Vapors Blue Drop - Drip Tip meltdown
Pink Spot Gummi - ?
Red Hot cinnamon - cheap cubica

Still nothing on Kayfuns though.