taste of PG vs VG? Which is less sweet?

[AndriaD]

Is it true, what I read someplace, that PG is less sweet than VG? Because I'm really looking for something that won't be sweet at all. The e-juice site I find most interesting, EC Blend, offers customizable proportions of the 2, from 100% PG - 0 VG, to 0 PG -100% VG. Since I have no idea about either, I wondered if someone could help me understand this better, so I can get a better idea of what to order -- at the moment I'm leaning toward 60% PG - 40% VG, but I just don't know -- apparently with more PG, there is less vapor, which would be great for stealthy vaping, but at the moment I'm really trying to find something that will satisfy me enough to leave the stinky butts alone.

Can anyone help?

Thx!!
Andria

 

[shawnphase]

id think vg is less sweet. vg seems more syrupy, but the texture of pg seems to lend well to flavors like sweet tarts or gummy bears, maybe even a honey. im trying to go toward all-vg if i can help it.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

VG produces more vapor, produces a smoother vape, slighter sweet, and is thicker.
PG carries flavors better, produces a better throat hit, and is thinner

The ratio you pick depends on what you prefer. I know that sounds like double talk but everyone likes different mixes. I will say a 70PG 30VG is probably what is considered a pretty standard mix. Good flavor, nice vapor, and thin enough to wick in most tanks.

Personally, I make my own juice and go anywhere from 65/35 to 40/60 (PG/VG)depending on the recipe and my mood when I'm mixing. What might be best is to try a few different mixes, say 70/30, 50/50, 30/70 and see what you like best.

Hope that helps!

Cheers,
Steve

 

[aluren]

You should just try a sample set of 5 and get a mix of different pg/vg ratio juices, along with different nic levels. That's the best way to find out for yourself.

I tried a mixture of them and found that I don't like 70-max vg. The vapor is great, but there is no taste to it. I love 70 pg and the vapor is still pretty good and I can taste the juice.

 

[Plumes.91]

Wings is correct, Vegetable Glycerine is considered to be sweeter than Propylene Glycol. Propylene Glycol is dry, and can develop mild, dank, mildew type flavor profiles and that can also bloom into a slight tartness. Vegetable Glycerine can have tones of corn syrup, &/or refined sugar. Neither of them are strong in flavor once flavors are mixed into them, but a refined palette may be able to pick this up.

VG is also much thicker, creates more thick a vapor than PG, mellows the throat hit, sometimes making the TH feel spongey & muted, and it can irritate the lungs causing wheezing & feelings of heavy chest in some vapers. PG is much thinner, can produce a bit of a throat hit, and can irritate the upper respiratory system, including the throat and esophagus & can produce sore throat and esophagus.

I personally prefer a mix at or around 30% VG and 70% PG because I enjoy throat hit and VG hurts my lungs & makes me wheeze. Although if VG did not irritate my lungs, I would much rather be vaping a higher VG juice, or a 100% VG juice because I feel that VG sticks around the coil & takes a bit longer to vaporize than PG heavy juices, which I think gives you more bang for your buck.

 

[Kyi]

VG is sweeter but I don't think it would really add a lot of extra sweet flavor and I wouldn't use that as the primary factor of what ratio you get. I personally started out with 70PG/30VG, and eventually started vaping 50/50. Recently, I've been getting even higher VG if there's an option to do so. PG starts to irritate my throat if I vape it for long periods of time, and I personally prefer less throat hit. I also like the thicker mouth feel and big clouds VG gives. But if throat hit is important for you, I would definitely get higher PG or at least start at 50/50 and adjust from there. Also note that with certain flavors and vendors, their base liquid may differ from others so it might not always 'feel' the same. I find TH pretty important when trying to get off the smokes, especially if you're used to really feeling that hit. Good luck! Oh and hello there fellow Georgian.

 

[AndriaD]

Well alright! I sure appreciate this, folks! (and right back atcha, Kyi -- how are you enjoying SNOWPOCALYPSE? Only in Georgia does a 2-inch snowfall merit pre-empting television for 2 nights! hehehe!)

I *thought* I had read somewhere that VG was sweeter, but wanted to check around and see if that was the consensus, and it seems that it is. So I think I will start out with a 70PG/30VG and go from there. I already have a bit of wheezing to deal with, with mild asthma, so I don't want to make that worse with too much VG. In fact, as a constant user of a prescription inhaler, I suspect I'm already accustomed to a fair amount of PG -- I had to start using Ventolin (rather than Proventil) when the inhalers went to a non-CFC formula, because all other brands tasted like alcohol to me, and were sickeningly sweet.

At EC Blends, I've found a flavor that I think might suit me, to get off cigarettes -- it's called, disgustingly enough, "Dirty Ashtray." A very few reviews of it were like ick, yuck, bleah, but most folks who reviewed it said it's the closest thing possible to a real burning cigarette -- someone said that it's kinda like a re-roll, or lighting one that's been previously put out, and that's precisely how I smoke my long 120's, in order to save money, so I think this might be right up my alley. Today's the day I'm placing my orders for my kit and this juice, so hopefully soon I will be an EX smoker!!

Many, Many Thx!!!!!
Andria

 

[always9988]

You might also want to look into unflavored juice. I don't know about everywhere, but halo sells one called fusion. It's your typical VG pg mix with whatever nicotine you choose, and a lot of people that don't like flavoring or can't find one you like stick with that.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, picture me doing a snoopy dance; I just ordered my eRoll, and the "Dirty Ashtray" flavor, along with another that says it has a faint taste of cigar. Virginia Slims might LOOK girly, but they don't taste girly at all -- smooth and bitter tobacco flavor. Hopefully between these two liquids I just ordered, I can find something that will help me get off these damned cancer sticks.


Andria

 

[Kyi]

You will get off those cancer sticks Andria! Patience and keep vaping and trying stuff until you find something that works for you. I would recommend trying out some different vendors however. ECBlends has some decent juice for a great price and a lot of variety but you may want to move onto something better at some point. I don't vape a lot of tobacco flavors but you could ask someone who is more knowledgable about them than me. I have tried tobacco vapes from The Plume Room as well as some from Mister E and I like them all a lot, just not all day vapes for me. Good luck.

 

[AndriaD]

I looked at probably 4 or 5 or 10 different sites with all kinds of flavors, a lot of tobacco flavors, but they all were somehow sweet, or fruity, or pipe tobacco. Blech! Everyone has told me that it's hard if not impossible to *completely* replicate the "burning tobacco" taste, and I believe it, from having tried Fin, Njoy, and Blu -- the first and last were ungodly sweet, Njoy had a good throat hit but tasted like eucalyptus to me -- hall's cough drop and a sorta cool feeling in the sinuses, which I hate, since I don't smoke menthol. But the thing is, for me to be able to break this 39 yr habit that I have tried over and over to break, it needs to be really close to the familiar taste -- the reviews at EC Blend seemed to indicate that this "Dirty Ashtray" is about as close as you can get to that taste, so I figured it was a good one to try, along with the one with a faint cigar taste -- my cigarettes are bitter, not sweet, so I thought a cigar taste might be closer to that.

I totally get that anyone who's been off real cigarettes for any length of time would find that taste repellant, I did when I quit once for 3 mos and started back, tasted like crap, but... it *satisfied* me. I can't describe it any other way. But I gotta break the habit or it's gonna kill me just as horribly as it killed my dad. E-cigs, and maybe this juice that seems just about rank enough to taste like actual cigarettes might let me do that. So I'm just really excited about it, should get my orders about Wed-Fri of next week. <- that's my delighted face!

(wish there was a little dancing icon!)
Andria

 

[Wingsfan0310]

So I'm just really excited about it, should get my orders about Wed-Fri of next week. <- that's my delighted face!

(wish there was a little dancing icon!)
Andria

Like this or this

Good luck, before you know it you are going to be saying those stinkys really do stink

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Bramble]

I just received my order from Virgin Vapor... I ordered two flavors in 100% VG (because I was curious what was the difference).

I've only tried one (spicy chai) and the flavor is good but kind of too spicy. The TH isn't very good, it kind of just coats my mouth. To compensate I was vaping it really hard and now my throat is irritated. Maybe it was from the spicyness of it though. I mellowed it out and thickened it up with some 50/50 french vanilla, now it's really good

The other flavor I got was root beer, and I haven't tried that one yet. If I don't like the feel of it I guess I can just get some other root beer that is 50/50 and mix them.

They are a lot different though, I guess it just goes to personal preference

 

[jball49]

I looked at probably 4 or 5 or 10 different sites with all kinds of flavors, a lot of tobacco flavors, but they all were somehow sweet, or fruity, or pipe tobacco. Blech! Everyone has told me that it's hard if not impossible to *completely* replicate the "burning tobacco" taste, and I believe it, from having tried Fin, Njoy, and Blu -- the first and last were ungodly sweet, Njoy had a good throat hit but tasted like eucalyptus to me -- hall's cough drop and a sorta cool feeling in the sinuses, which I hate, since I don't smoke menthol. But the thing is, for me to be able to break this 39 yr habit that I have tried over and over to break, it needs to be really close to the familiar taste -- the reviews at EC Blend seemed to indicate that this "Dirty Ashtray" is about as close as you can get to that taste, so I figured it was a good one to try, along with the one with a faint cigar taste -- my cigarettes are bitter, not sweet, so I thought a cigar taste might be closer to that.

I totally get that anyone who's been off real cigarettes for any length of time would find that taste repellant, I did when I quit once for 3 mos and started back, tasted like crap, but... it *satisfied* me. I can't describe it any other way. But I gotta break the habit or it's gonna kill me just as horribly as it killed my dad. E-cigs, and maybe this juice that seems just about rank enough to taste like actual cigarettes might let me do that. So I'm just really excited about it, should get my orders about Wed-Fri of next week. <- that's my delighted face!

(wish there was a little dancing icon!)
Andria

I smoked for over 40 years and what worked for me so far was that I experimented some with vaping and then when we decided to go in for an honest try at this we bought new mods, carto tanks and what a local store had that is called KML supposedly simulating Camel cigarette taste. It really doesn't have a very strong tobacco taste but it was a taste that both my wife and I didn't mind at all. We started vaping a lot and cutting the cigarettes down consistently. She totally quit the analogs before the first of the year. I was having 1-3 cigarettes a day having trouble getting over the total mental thing of no cigarettes. Then I got a virus which made it much easier and on January 13th smoked my last cigarette. Now I don't even like the juice with a stronger tobacco taste because I am so conditioned to what we have been using, it is all about what you become accustomed to for me anyway, just as the few times I changed cigarette brands it was smoking the different ones long enough that they were what I totally preferred. If I can do this vaping conversion anyone can if they decide they want to do it. That is what I believe. I thought I was never going to be able to give them up. Finding what you like for a set up with mod, tank and juice are critical to your success, if possible visit brick and mortar shops and try different ones out until you find one you like! Good luck and happy vaping!

 

[Kyi]

I think you will have to change your expectations a little bit. Nothing you vape will taste like an actual hit of a real cigarette. It might replicate it to some degree, the throat hit and nicotine, but not the actual taste. When I started vaping, I was still smoking and did that for about 2 years before I completely stopped smoking, so I was pretty much vaping as well as smoking when the real cig craving kicked in. I could pretty much vape most of the day with no problem, but when I drink, I had to have real cigarettes. Vaping did not give me that hit I was looking for. For me personally, it took a while before I was able to completely ignore the cigarette craving and stick to vaping. I honestly think it was more of a mental thing, and I got over it, but it did take some time. I was a Marlboro Menthol Lights smoker, and I think what really cut down my actual smoking was finding a juice that was close enough, and the mentality of that this was as close as I could get and I would need to get used to it, and over time I did. And that liquid for me was Zen from AltCig... as for now, I don't have to vape that to get my "real cig" fix because I am used to vaping after all this time.

 

[Plumes.91]

If you want a bitter tobacco, it sounds like you'd like USA mix from most websites. Thats usually a very bitter tobacco flavor, that is reminiscent of the taste you get from the cigarette filter, mixed with the taste of how a fresh cigarette smells. You probably wouldn't mind vaping that. I'm sorry to say it, but if you want something to taste like a cigarette, your usually not going to find it at the discount vendors. If a tobacco flavored juice is under 20 dollars for 30ml, it doesn't have natural tobacco extract in it. The extract is very expensive. Even the expensive vendors sometimes charge more for their good tobacco juices, on top of their already expensive prices.

If you want a real tobacco flavor, then I would recommend you set your sights on the more gourmet juice shacks. You might want to take a look at AVE tobacco juices, pipe-sauce from e-pipe mods, velvetcloud, places like these have juices with real tobacco flavorings in them. Not flavorings made in a lab. From what I've experienced, these are the types of juices that wind up tasting like real tobacco. The cheaper juices do not even come close. They taste like plastic, citric acid, and meat smoke flavorings. If I were a new vaper, I would go through the vendors in the e-juice forum here on ECF and look for the more craft-made tobacco juice vendors.

Also, I would recommend you try virginia, and flu cured if you do start looking at tobaccos. Flu cured is/should always be a pretty dry tobacco, no matter which website your buying it from. Its always dry, a very wheat-like tobacco flavor. Honey flu cured is flu cured with a honey sweetness added to it. So I think you'd enjoy flu cured, from most popular vendors. You'd maybe enjoy virginia from AVE. Beyond those, I can't really help you. I am into RY4s and sweet flavors. You may be eventually. 99% of the new vapers that refuse to vape anything but dry, unsweetened tobacco flavors, end up addicted to RY4s, caramel vanillas, etc.

Good luck.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, I was reading that post "Natural tobaccos Part deux" and the bit about real "tobacco absolute" sounds like what I need, and he mentioned "AltCigs" has some of those, so I went there and read the reviews about "Bob's Krave Kutter," and it sounds REALLY good, so if this one I ordered called "Dirty Ashtray" (which is how they described some of the taste of a real tobacco absolute) doesn't do it for me, I'll probably order some of the Krave Kutter -- it had really excellent reviews from those just quitting or just switching.

On the one hand, I can understand it being very difficult to reproduce a flavor of something burning, with something that isn't. But on the other hand, this is the 21st century, chemists can pretty much reproduce the flavor of just about *anything* -- maybe not perfectly, but close. I'm not doing a cold turkey quit, and I refuse to give up hope of finding something that tastes similar to what I'm used to, when I just started looking! It seems that most folks who keep advising me to "give up hope of finding something that tastes right" have been off cigarettes for a while, and so maybe have forgotten how important it is to find something that will at least be somewhat familiar, something that can be a sort of "security blanket." It took me 39 yrs to get this addicted, so I don't think it's going to fall away by magic -- I haven't had a drink in over 21 yrs, but sometimes those beer commercials still get to me. I will just keep on trying, because e-cigs are the first thing I've seen that seemed like a realistic, possible way to quit -- so many of you guys are doing it, and doing it so easily compared to any other way -- it gives me hope. A LOT of hope!

Thx!
Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Like this or this

Good luck, before you know it you are going to be saying those stinkys really do stink

Cheers,
Steve

Heh... actually I like both of them, I'll have to remember those ": :" words.

BTW, from your username, and your avatar... is that a Red Wings hoodie? I lived up there from '85-'90... first in Downriver, then later in Lake Orion/Pontiac (my husband was working in Auburn Hills, then -- our son was born in Rochester Hills!).

And I know it won't take too long, once I get to the point where I'm vaping more than smoking... one of the other times I tried quitting, after just 4-5 days, I couldn't stand the smell of the spare bedroom I had made my office. So when I decided to start smoking only outdoors, I knew it was a plus for when I tried quitting again... no need to fumigate the house (and all my clothes!) just to be able to endure it!

Thx!
Andria