Taxman Heading to the Oval Office?

[studip]

You may have seen John Kasich's outrageous tax proposals on vapor products in Ohio...

CASAA: Ohio Call to Action: Gov. Kasich’s Proposed Budget will impose a massive tax on vapor products

Well now we may all have reason to put pressure on the Governor...

Kasich expected to announce campaign kickoff at Ohio Union | The Lantern

 

[bluecat]

I thought I read over last weekend that the Oh Senate only passed a 35 cent increase on cigarettes, but they left everything else alone?

I figured Kasich would try a second run at being President. A few good things he has done, but overall has been a joke. I would not wish him on the rest of the country. After 50 years of life, he was the person that made me vote for a democrat. That doesn't go lightly either.

 

[studip]

I'm not fully up to date on where everything stands (vacation et al). I hope you're right. Kasich is my "hometown guy" (in Columbus) but man is he making it hard to root for him.

 

[bluecat]

Also he will be one of 36,000 GOP contenders. haha

I'll see if I can find the article from the enquirer. It didn't mention anything about vaping. Just that they intend to increase cigarette taxes by 35 cents and leave the rest of the products alone. The ones from the house and senate that addressed vaping was for child resistant packaging on bottles of liquid. Of course, prefilled cart are exempt. I don't know maybe it is just me. My kids are now 13 and 17. Whether it was a bottle or a cart either as a toddler would have sucked on the cartomizer. Again, maybe it just me, but a toddler sucking on a 24mg cart or on a bottle with a closed lid, is just bad. Sometimes I wonder if the people elected even know what the heck they are writing.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I don't know maybe it is just me. My kids are now 13 and 17. Whether it was a bottle or a cart either as a toddler would have sucked on the cartomizer. Again, maybe it just me, but a toddler sucking on a 24mg cart or on a bottle with a closed lid, is just bad. Sometimes I wonder if the people elected even know what the heck they are writing.

I wonder the same thing.

Because a toddler sucking on a raw cigarette is pretty bad too.
Good thing we have those sold in child safe packaging!


RIP logic and common sense.


Selling/giving tobacco products to minors is already illegal. Has been for decades.

 

[roxynoodle]

Yes, the e liquid tax was not voted through. I thought it was $0.40 per pack of cigarettes.

I'm a lifelong Republican, but currently unhappy with Mr. Kasich. So just sitting back for now to see who will toss his (or her) hat in the ring.

 

[bluecat]

Yes, the e liquid tax was not voted through. I thought it was $0.40 per pack of cigarettes.

I'm a lifelong Republican, but currently unhappy with Mr. Kasich. So just sitting back for now to see who will toss his (or her) hat in the ring.

Aye same mate. I can remember being excited when Kasich became governor. At first I liked him getting rid of the Personal Property Tax, Corporate Income Tax (it was a joke anyway). The CAT is okay but it is a little unfair and a huge money maker for the state. I do not share his views on common core. I didn't like him caving in to Medicare. I really didn't like it when he hired his two friends at 250k each for consulting. just a few things.

Maybe it was 40 cents per pack, I know I fuming mad (I no longer smoke cigs just a cigar here and there). All I know is I looked across the table at my wife and said we are screwed when people quit smoking. There won't be any tax money.

 

[Panorama911]

Well brace yourselves! Here in Totoland they passed a bill raising the cig tax 65 cents IIRC but that bothers me none as I do not smoke anymore, but the Ecig tax does, effective July 1 2016 we will be hit with a 20 cents per ml tax.

Where there is money to be had, it will be had...the only thing government does well!

 

[bluecat]

Well brace yourselves! Here in Totoland they passed a bill raising the cig tax 65 cents IIRC but that bothers me none as I do not smoke anymore, but the Ecig tax does, effective July 1 2016 we will be hit with a 20 cents per ml tax.

Where there is money to be had, it will be had...the only thing government does well!

That's crazy.. simple because the tax on e-liquid was exactly nothing more that a $s issue.

Kansas e-cig tax could e-vape-orate the industry - Watchdog.org

On the last day, the amendment was introduced and put in. No discussion. Everyone one that voted for it shoudl be relived of their duties for dereliction of duty. It is just sad that lawmakers get away with this crap.

"Donovan introduced his amendment on June 1, day 102 of a legislative session that was supposed to last 90 days but ended up lasting a record-setting 113. The tax he proposed, and which eventually passed, imposes an excise tax of 20 cents per milliliter on the liquid used to operate electronic cigarettes and vaping pens."

 

[Panorama911]

That's crazy.. simple because the tax on e-liquid was exactly nothing more that a $s issue.

Not only crazy but moronic! There is maybe, and I guessing here, about 3000 vapers here and we are going to provide revenue to help the 400 million shortfall....and most of that 3k buy online from other states. So my guess is the revenue it generates will be in the thousands....NOT a well thought out plan but when the hungry see cash they do not consider how much there is they just think of the hunger.

 

[studip]

Direct from the Ohio Department of Taxation annual report on cigarette tax. They see that money disappearing...

 

[kaahn]

Trump! Probably won't happen but...Trump!

 

[roxynoodle]

I'm not a smoker anymore, yet I'm still angry they have to keep carrying the load on taxes. Is there some reason a small increase in sales tax that would be paid by everyone can't be enacted instead?

A friend and I were discussing this this afternoon. I suggested we put a sin tax on unhealthy food. Poor food choices and related disease might cost us all more money than smoking related disease. And nearly all Americans buy at least some, including me. It would be very unpopular though, but constantly picking on the smokers isn't fair either.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm not a smoker anymore, yet I'm still angry they have to keep carrying the load on taxes. Is there some reason a small increase in sales tax that would be paid by everyone can't be enacted instead?

A friend and I were discussing this this afternoon. I suggested we put a sin tax on unhealthy food. Poor food choices and related disease might cost us all more money than smoking related disease. And nearly all Americans buy at least some, including me. It would be very unpopular though, but constantly picking on the smokers isn't fair either.

Roxy, that line of thinking is why we are looking at restrictions and bans.

"Sin Taxes" do not work. They are a trick.

Once you start a "sin tax" that money funds programs that become DEPENDENT on the tax, which relies on people continuing to "sin".
The funded programs cannot afford for you to stop "sinning".
Even if it kills you.
Tobacco and cigarette taxes are blatant proof this doesn't work.

 

[roxynoodle]

Roxy, that line of thinking is why we are looking at restrictions and bans.

"Sin Taxes" do not work. They are a trick.

Once you start a "sin tax" that money funds programs that become DEPENDENT on the tax, which relies on people continuing to "sin".
The funded programs cannot afford for you to stop "sinning".
Even if it kills you.
Tobacco and cigarette taxes are blatant proof this doesn't work.

Yes, I know . Hence why they are in trouble with people quitting smoking in record numbers. And in the case oh Ohio, borrowed against the MSA payments, never expecting those payments would decline in amount received. Poor fiscal planning at the hands of our elected officials.

My point was really that I'm tired of the smokers shouldering these deficits for everyone. Browns need a new stadium? Additional cigarette taxes! Are only smokers using that stadium? Let's see...no. Maybe they should, they paid for it.

 

[Bad Ninja]

My state (CA) did it too.
CA has a history of electing idiots.

It's finally come home to bite this state in the .....
I hope other states pay attention.
CA is seriously screwed, by it's own hand.

 

[bluecat]

Yes, I know . Hence why they are in trouble with people quitting smoking in record numbers. And in the case oh Ohio, borrowed against the MSA payments, never expecting those payments would decline in amount received. Poor fiscal planning at the hands of our elected officials.

My point was really that I'm tired of the smokers shouldering these deficits for everyone. Browns need a new stadium? Additional cigarette taxes! Are only smokers using that stadium? Let's see...no. Maybe they should, they paid for it.

At least your not cincinnati where we build them a stadium. Let them rent it for free. Then give the dude who brokered the deal a cushy office in the stadium with a nice river view. Then when a local football powerhouse wants to play a game there they say they can't because it will harm the turf.
I hope Johnny football turns it around for you all up north. I liked watching him in college.

Then we got to listen to the reds office whine about their stadium.

All funded by a sales tax increase.

 

[bluecat]

My state (CA) did it too.
CA has a history of electing idiots.

It's finally come home to bite this state in the .....
I hope other states pay attention.
CA is seriously screwed, by it's own hand.

I have always felt sorry for you californians. I was seeing my self wish for Strickland back as governor of ohio. Even those he was a demoncrat, he was actually fair. Kinda a hybrid Democrat republican if such a thing could exist.

 

[bluecat]

I'm not a smoker anymore, yet I'm still angry they have to keep carrying the load on taxes. Is there some reason a small increase in sales tax that would be paid by everyone can't be enacted instead?

A friend and I were discussing this this afternoon. I suggested we put a sin tax on unhealthy food. Poor food choices and related disease might cost us all more money than smoking related disease. And nearly all Americans buy at least some, including me. It would be very unpopular though, but constantly picking on the smokers isn't fair either.

I wax the same when they voted for public non smoking. I felt it was fair to allow establishments to choose. Maybe give them a special credit for being a non smoking establishment. Voting in into the constitution was just plain wrong. Now we got 700k signatures to put that substance other state are making legal to go on our ballot.

My guess is it is time to get out of dodge, but where to go?

 

[Panorama911]

At least your not cincinnati where we build them a stadium. Let them rent it for free. Then give the dude who brokered the deal a cushy office in the stadium with a nice river view. Then when a local football powerhouse wants to play a game there they say they can't because it will harm the turf.
I hope Johnny football turns it around for you all up north. I liked watching him in college.

Then we got to listen to the reds office whine about their stadium.

All funded by a sales tax increase.

Ya'll need to move to KC, our stadiums are class venues and paid for 10X over, no one gives vapers the evil eye, in fact they just say hello! Beer is 6% and cheap, lowest gas prices in the Midwest, as are the ciggies. And the BBQ is tops. No Ecig tax!!...Well Kansas will have but I will just cross the bridge for a local B&M if I need to.

But sorry keep Johnny Football!