Temp control ipv 4

[Completely Average]

fair point I expected they would some protection.... but you have missed the actual point that is its just not safe......

It's only unsafe if the mod can actually fire a nickel coil in a non-temperature controlled setting.

I think you'll find that the mods you listed simply couldn't fire a nickel coil at all. To get to .4 or .5ohms with nickel would require an absolutely huge coil. It's never going to fit in an atomizer. If you're wrapping around a 3mm drill bit you would need something along the lines of 60 wraps to get a .5ohm coil with nickel. That coil would be close to 2 inches long.

Nickel is a NON-RESISTANCE wire. It's not like Kanthal, it has very very little resistance. Even really big nickel coils are difficult to get over .15ohms. Most are in the .05-.12ohm range where almost nothing but a temperature controlled mod could fire them at all.

 

[jseah]

But back to the OP what does adding Kanthal +ni200 wire achieve in a temp mod..... Tempted to try one of these coils! sound interesting !

Here is where I think lies the advantage of nickel coils and temp protection (from my limited 5 month experience in vaping). With a kanthal coil, I vape at a certain wattage. As time passes and the coil and wick gets a more and more gunked up, I will start getting dry hits. To offset this, I have to turn down the wattage. Also, if I take an extended draw, at some point the coil will vaporize the juice faster than the wick can feed more juice to the coil, resulting in a dry hit.

With nickel coils and temp protection, I don't need to worry about how quickly the juice will wick, and I don't need to worry about what wattage I have it set to. Doesn't matter if you have the mod set to 30 watts or 60 watts. Once the set temperature has been reach, the mod automatically lowers the wattage to prevent the temperature from being exceeded. You can vape and vape and vape. When I started using the prebuilt Kanger nickel OCC for the Subtank, the first coil lasted me 5 weeks. By the time I decided to change the coil the coil was totally black and I really did not notice any different in the flavor of the vape at all.

 

[jseah]

To get to .4 or .5ohms with nickel would require an absolutely huge coil. It's never going to fit in an atomizer. If you're wrapping around a 3mm drill bit you would need something along the lines of 60 wraps to get a .5ohm coil with nickel. That coil would be close to 2 inches long.

Nickel is a NON-RESISTANCE wire. It's not like Kanthal, it has very very little resistance. Even really big nickel coils are difficult to get over .15ohms. Most are in the .05-.12ohm range where almost nothing but a temperature controlled mod could fire them at all.

Here is a picture of a 0.1 ohm nickel coil side by side with a 0.15 ohm nickel coil (with a penny to show scale).

 

[Completely Average]

Precisely. So take 3.5 of those .15ohm coils and line them up side by side to get your .5ohm coil that an MPV3 would fire. That coil would be MASSIVE.

 

[Angus T Rat]

But back to the OP what does adding Kanthal +ni200 wire achieve in a temp mod..... Tempted to try one of these coils! sound interesting !

The kanthal just acts like a stiffer making the coil less delicate. The electricity flows only thru the ni200 since it's the path of least resistance.

 

[ijoyvape]

ipv 4 i have one, it can only use ni200, but i hope i can use my kanthal wire to do temperature control. any suggestion?

 

[ijoyvape]

The kanthal just acts like a stiffer making the coil less delicate. The electricity flows only thru the ni200 since it's the path of least resistance.

but ni200 is not as good taste as kanthal.

 

[Angus T Rat]

but ni200 is not as good taste as kanthal.

You think so? I really like it, especially spaced coils (wraps not touching).

Unfortunately the IPV4 does not do TC with kanthal. Actually there are no mods that do as far as I know. The snowwolf 200w claims to but that remains to be seen.

 

[Completely Average]

ipv 4 i have one, it can only use ni200, but i hope i can use my kanthal wire to do temperature control. any suggestion?

Either learn to use nickel or wait until someone figures out how to do temperature control with Kanthal.

 

[rickbradfield]

Sorry I really don't get that If you retain the max temperature why does it matter how many watts are getting consumed surely the vapor production should stay the same..... I understand that the amount of watts has an effect on the vapor production but that is simply due to the temperature of the coil vaporizing the eliquid so if you keep that at a relive constant why should vapor production be reduced...... are you say that the lag from the temperature control can't keep up with a few decent lung hits? ..... also you can always up the temperature control to 600 deg and then surely it must vape for the best part just like an normal mod dry hits and all!

Also I really do not get this 28g ni200 with 28g kanthal build coil surely due to the low resistance of the ni200 nearly all the watts will flow through that resulting in the ni200 just heating the kanthal. I doubt at any point the ni200 wire would get to a point that its resistance would be anywhere near equal to the Kanthal 28g. Thus does the Kanthal just act as a method of increasing surface area to increase vapour production but also increase the time it takes to get to a higher temperature or is it just a meant to be a neat trick to make ni200 coil build a bit easier?


Sorry guys really new to this all just had to ask. Cheers

The point of the kanthal is to basically make the coil more sturdy as ni200 is a very flimsy wire at 28g really nothing more than support

 

[rickbradfield]

You think so? I really like it, especially spaced coils (wraps not touching).

Unfortunately the IPV4 does not do TC with kanthal. Actually there are no mods that do as far as I know. The snowwolf 200w claims to but that remains to be seen.

Supposedly the I-joy Asolo will temp control any wire. I am still awaiting a release date on these mods, cannot wait to see what they can do.

 

[Diyguy]

The kanthal just acts like a stiffer making the coil less delicate. The electricity flows only thru the ni200 since it's the path of least resistance.

You could also just use tempered Ni200. It's about the same stiffness as Kanthal from what I've heard. Lightning Vapes has it.

 

[johnsons84]

Been using the kanger ni200 coils on my ipv4 for about a week now, really easy transition just set it to 425 and been vaping between 30-40 Jules. Seems better than kanthal or rda deck, not sure why people are having issues haven't had any problems besides juice flow not being able to keep up at 50j at 500.

 

[rickbradfield]

You could also just use tempered Ni200. It's about the same stiffness as Kanthal from what I've heard. Lightning Vapes has it.

Im going to have to look into that thanks

 

[Deadkaiser]

0.4 - 0.5 ohm sort of becomes possible with 32g and 34g but i'm yet to try.... I saw someone on youtube making higher than average resistance coils by wrapping ni200 34g around a 3mm rod with a cotton sheet wrapped around it. This way he didnt have to wick it but you have to wrap it first time perfectly. I'm sure the whole feat would also become a lot easier with the OP kanthal + nickel suggestion as long as you use similar gauge wire or maybe even slightly higher gauge kanthal i should work at least in my mind!

I'm interested but this nickel taste people talk of is this just the different strength of the hit since ni200 heats up faster or does the ni200 actually flavoring it which must mean your breathing in stuff coming of the ni200 wire correct?

(thanks rickbradfeld for that answer!)

 

[itskohler]

I think Ni200 tastes cleaner than regular kanthal, but nothing has more taste to it than N80, or Nickle Chromium wire. I like the temp control and what it brings to the table, but It's hard to get dual coiled .1ohm Ni200 into a tank. Most of my drippers can do it all day.