Temp control - Origen V2 MkII

[TheotherSteveS]

Hi people,

Kinda new to gennies so forgive the dumb questions. Running a Ti build in the Ori using a 3mm 26g spaced single coil at about 0.3ohms or so (dont have it with me...). Wicked with cotton and using a 70:30 VG juice. So regardless of the set temp, I am getting bags of vapour with some flavour, but it still 'feels' anaemic in some way and very cool. Resistance is stable (not futile), everything locked down tight. Any ideas for altering build to get a warmer vape?? Lower guage, smaller diameter, twisted??

 

[vakaion]

Just chiming in as an Origenny/Ti (and cotton) user with what works for me...
Single coil mode I've never managed to get better than an "okay" vape, both on DNA40s and Dani V2+. I've tried countless variations on build.
Dual coil though (anywhere from 5 to 8 wraps) has been far far better. Warmer, denser, flavorsome.
Typically I use 2x 5 or 6 wrap spaced 26g Ti grade 1, 3mm. Around 30w with 370F setting on the DNA40.

Damn thing eats juice though. lol

 

[CigaHz]

In my Origen mkII 4 and 6ml I roll some 325 mesh up tight, no hole down the center and then wrap that with cotton. Wicks amazing. Never dry hits. I use that wick with Kanthol and Ti(TC).

 

[CigaHz]

...one other thing about mesh and cotton wicking an origenny. The mesh wick stops at the top of the coil but the cotton continues out the top of the coil as usual.

I run a Ti 26awg 3mm-1/8th inch coil. 6-7 wraps.

 

[CigaHz]

Yes Sir a Tele.

 

[TheotherSteveS]

2.5mm 24g spaced single coil @ 0.18Ω. Rayon wick. Honestly? Regardless of the build, wire type or wicking material, I dislike the vape from the MKII.

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was that directed at me?!?! I have 8 wraps 26g Ti around 3.0mm with OC scottish roll wick. Its not bad. Not fantsatic but not bad....I agree that cotton wicks are maybe not ideal but I cant be bothered with mesh...Maybe I will try with a dual at some point.

 

[CigaHz]

Hi people,

Kinda new to gennies so forgive the dumb questions. Running a Ti build in the Ori using a 3mm 26g spaced single coil at about 0.3ohms or so (dont have it with me...). Wicked with cotton and using a 70:30 VG juice. So regardless of the set temp, I am getting bags of vapour with some flavour, but it still 'feels' anaemic in some way and very cool. Resistance is stable (not futile), everything locked down tight. Any ideas for altering build to get a warmer vape?? Lower guage, smaller diameter, twisted??

Try 28awg wire? That will raise the heat flux which in turn will produce a hotter Vape at the same wattage/joules...

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Try 28awg wire? That will raise the heat flux which in turn will produce a hotter vape...

Thanks for that. It is exactly what I was going to try next rebuild!!

ps. is that you playing the tele??

 

[TheotherSteveS]

Yes Sir a Tele.

Nice piece! Strat and PRS here!!

 

[cigatron]

Torching isn't nessisary to keep it from shorting because the mesh is completely surrounded by cotton and never touches the coil wire. It may however be useful to torch it so it's easier to roll...

Mesh in a blanket?

 

[TheKman]

Single or dual coil? Single coil is a relatively small surface area. Dual coils at this impedance is four times the surface area. Temperature control only moderates the coil resistance, not the total power, and has no visibility with respect to physical configuration.

In short, we need more information. Pics would be extremely helpful.

 

[sig-cmt]

What tempo and how much wattage? Throw up a pic and I'll set up the same build to see how it vapes. Authentic MKII, yes?

 

[TheotherSteveS]

whoops. Sorry guys I missed these replies. Thanks for the help.
To be honest, I sort of fixed it up by changing the wick to a scottish roll which is giving much better results so I guess I was limited in juice delivery.

I will post some pics asap just to see what you think!

it is authentic MKII!

 

[sig-cmt]

2.5mm 24g spaced single coil @ 0.18Ω. Rayon wick. Honestly? Regardless of the build, wire type or wicking material, I dislike the vape from the MKII.

 

[TheKman]

Can you explain why? I was looking at picking one up.

 

[sig-cmt]

Cannot fit 3.5mm coils safely = Reduced wicking material = Not enough wick to keep up with high powered vaping. Bottom line is that I prefer the flavor and vapor production from RDAs and RTAs with big airflow. YMMV.

 

[TheKman]

Bugger. Here's me hoping that something like this is going to be the flavour 'holy grail'.

What do you mean by high power? I've got 70W in a Bellus build working really well and they're only 2.7mm ID coils. Are we on the same page?

 

[sig-cmt]

Here's me hoping that something like this is going to be the flavour 'holy grail'.

All I can say is that flavors are presented differently. Personally, I find the presentation of flavors in the MKII to be very good with certain juices and poorer with others. Again, YMMV.

What do you mean by high power...Are we on the same page?

Clarification: By high powered, I am referring to high temps. Specifically with rayon and TC, even if a rayon wick runs straight through vertical coils, there is not enough wicking ability to handle 500F and up temps. Had there been more room on the deck to build larger 3.5mm coils with, I gather that this would not have been an issue for me. Is the build in your Bellus a vertical coil with a single tail or a horizontal coil with dual tails?

was that directed at me?!?! ...Not fant[a]s...tic but not bad......but I cant be bothered with mesh...

Yes, in the sense that I am also running a Ti build in the MKII under TC which does not vape fantastic, but is not bad. I dislike it, yes, but the vape is not bad. And I too cannot be bothered with mesh.

 

[TheKman]

Bellus is dual coil horizontal. To put it another way, I can Vape through a 5ml tank in an hour. What I'm reading regarding most genesis style atomisers is that they're not intended to cope with this sort of use.

 

[sig-cmt]

5ml per hour is not bad. I go through a full 4ml tank in 20-30 minutes on a single coil build. I fill up at home and by the time I make it to work, the tank is empty. The MKII can definitely handle chain vaping habits.