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DPLongo22

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Agreed, the modular design is the one possible drawback.

For refilling without the port, as long as you keep pressure on the bottom of the Bridge as you slide the setup out the bottom, it should stay together. Pressure applied by table or finger on the bottom + pressure applied by slap-yo-mama or similar device on top should hold it together.

If the tube falls into the tank, you can also use a pen (as in the video) in one end and a carto tool in the other. Use the pen to guide the tube onto the carto tool. Once the tube is on the carto tool, use the pen to push both out the other end. This way, o-rings won't get damaged.

Yes, Kata - I expect you could be on target there. I played with it last night, to test the concept, and was almost successful in making it work via the dual-pressure methodology you described. Given my aforementioned "issues" with dexterity, I expect that many normal humans would be more successful than I was.

Point being - yeah, it might work out just fine.
 

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4.0 volts at 2.2 ohm = 1.82 amps
4.75 volts at 3.0 ohm = 1.58 amps

Moral of story....slightly longer battery life at 4.75 volts with a 3 ohm coil....

hope this answers one of your quiztions....

Ahhhhhhh ... Thank you retird! I KNEW you'd know!! ( And you'd save my other bud DP! Hahaha! ;-) )

And here's that post of Mr. DD's from a year ago that was stuck in my head! :D

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Ohhhhhhh and Kat ... My Beloved BB arrived on 3/21/13! I saw my pics from that day while searching for Mr. DD's post that was haunting my brain!
 

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4.0 volts at 2.2 ohm = 1.82 amps
4.75 volts at 3.0 ohm = 1.58 amps

Moral of story....slightly longer battery life at 4.75 volts with a 3 ohm coil....

hope this answers one of your quiztions....

It may be, also, that the slight increase in amperage use could somewhat equalize with the lower amperage use.

Meaning, if the amperage is slightly higher - this will really depend on the person - the increased amperage should equate to a somewhat harder hit. So an average vape draw may go from say, an average of 10s to lets say 7s.

So even with similar wattage ratings (though the above example is slightly skewed), the power being applied is greater, which in turn should equal a more intense vape, right?

Using my battery as an example, and some creative poetic license...

860mAh
2.0ohm SR carto
4v
=~2A discharge
=~43minutes of continuous battery usage
=~368 Draws at 7s as the average (43 minutes to seconds, divided by average draw of 7s) accounting for stronger hit

860mAh
3ohm SR
4.75v
=~1.583A discharge
=~54minutes continuous
=~324 draws at 10s

So does longer literally equate to the Time of total discharge, or how long your draw needs to be, to get the feeling you want?

I think its probably mostly the secondary item, and of course the above uses entirely arbitrary and anecdotal draw times, but you may find that a combination that equals a higher amp draw could equal a longer vape session before next charge, even using more power on the onset.

just food for thought ;)
 

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My head is beginning to hurt. And when Taxes are less taxing that thread posts... well, need I continue?

I'm joking, of course. This has actually been very beneficial for me, and truly educational. So, I thank all you braniacs profusely & sincerely.

I'm going to push my button again. Thanks all!
 

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But but retird ... I'm still wondering ... If that 2.2 ohm is a dual coil ... Doesn't that make a difference?? In both wattage achieved at 4.0 V and battery life??

I've had very, very little exposure to dual coils (think I tried one a long time ago) nor spent much time reading about them thus very minimal exposure.. that may change if an Aspire meets my lips but till then I really would be "flying blind"....surely someone with extensive knowledge and use of dual's will chime in...
 

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It may be, also, that the slight increase in amperage use could somewhat equalize with the lower amperage use.

Meaning, if the amperage is slightly higher - this will really depend on the person - the increased amperage should equate to a somewhat harder hit. So an average vape draw may go from say, an average of 10s to lets say 7s.

So even with similar wattage ratings (though the above example is slightly skewed), the power being applied is greater, which in turn should equal a more intense vape, right?

Using my battery as an example, and some creative poetic license...

860mAh
2.0ohm SR carto
4v
=~2A discharge
=~43minutes of continuous battery usage
=~368 Draws at 7s as the average (43 minutes to seconds, divided by average draw of 7s) accounting for stronger hit

860mAh
3ohm SR
4.75v
=~1.583A discharge
=~54minutes continuous
=~324 draws at 10s

So does longer literally equate to the Time of total discharge, or how long your draw needs to be, to get the feeling you want?

I think its probably mostly the secondary item, and of course the above uses entirely arbitrary and anecdotal draw times, but you may find that a combination that equals a higher amp draw could equal a longer vape session before next charge, even using more power on the onset.

just food for thought ;)

No prob' with the poetic license...have read such many times....thus using the license with just a 3 ohm carto at 4.75 volts and taking a 10 second draw will use more battery than the same 3 ohm carto at 4.75 volts while taking only a 7 second draw.

just a bit more food for thought... :)
 

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No prob' with the poetic license...have read such many times....thus using the license with just a 3 ohm carto at 4.75 volts and taking a 10 second draw will use more battery than the same 3 ohm carto at 4.75 volts while taking only a 7 second draw.

just a bit more food for thought... :)

It certainly would, mainly my point was if you receive a stronger hit, perhaps you will need a slightly shorter draw time, maybe.. haha.

Of course a shorter draw would be more total draws, but unlikely in a continuous situation that it would just change in a vacuum as it were.

So, as always YMMV but you may notice 'longer' vaping with more amperage to an extent if that increase equates to a shorter draw time.

Haha, all in all, have fun!
 

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I've had very, very little exposure to dual coils (think I tried one a long time ago) nor spent much time reading about them thus very minimal exposure.. that may change if an Aspire meets my lips but till then I really would be "flying blind"....surely someone with extensive knowledge and use of dual's will chime in...

The dual coil effectively doubles the wattage and amperage of a like SR carto.

Basically it is just a set of coils/elements in parallel so, halves the overt resistance and doubles wattage/amperage.

EG a 1.6ohm dual coil vs 3.2ohm SR

DC:
-1.6ohm is attained from two coils in parallel at 3.2ohm (so basically two 3.2 SRs connected together, and with circuit logic equates to 1.6ohm total resistance)
-Wattage would be the result of Coil1 x Coil2 or V x (VxR) so, at 3.7v a 1.6ohm Dual hits 8.5w
-Amperage, double each single coil, so 3.7v@3.2o 1.16a x2 ~ 2.3a use

SR:
-Just a singular of the above
A-1.16
W-4.25
3.2ohm (stated)

So with an 860mAh as an example

The SR would equal ~ 74minutes runtime I believe (continuous) or about 444 10s draws
The DC would equal ~ 37minutes runtime (continuous) or about 222 10s draws

So, DC is double everything in the end really.

Double the power, double the battery use.
 

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The dual coil effectively doubles the wattage and amperage of a like SR carto.

Basically it is just a set of coils/elements in parallel so, halves the overt resistance and doubles wattage/amperage.

EG a 1.6ohm dual coil vs 3.2ohm SR

DC:
-1.6ohm is attained from two coils in parallel at 3.2ohm (so basically two 3.2 SRs connected together, and with circuit logic equates to 1.6ohm total resistance)
-Wattage would be the result of Coil1 x Coil2 or V x (VxR) so, at 3.7v a 1.6ohm Dual hits 8.5w
-Amperage, double each single coil, so 3.7v@3.2o 1.16a x2 ~ 2.3a use

SR:
-Just a singular of the above
A-1.16
W-4.25
3.2ohm (stated)

So with an 860mAh as an example

The SR would equal ~ 74minutes runtime I believe (continuous) or about 444 10s draws
The DC would equal ~ 37minutes runtime (continuous) or about 222 10s draws

So, DC is double everything in the end really.

Double the power, double the battery use.

That's basically what I've read about dual's but having little first hand experience I just defer to those who do....
 

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The dual coil effectively doubles the wattage and amperage of a like SR carto.

Basically it is just a set of coils/elements in parallel so, halves the overt resistance and doubles wattage/amperage.

EG a 1.6ohm dual coil vs 3.2ohm SR

DC:
-1.6ohm is attained from two coils in parallel at 3.2ohm (so basically two 3.2 SRs connected together, and with circuit logic equates to 1.6ohm total resistance)
-Wattage would be the result of Coil1 x Coil2 or V x (VxR) so, at 3.7v a 1.6ohm Dual hits 8.5w
-Amperage, double each single coil, so 3.7v@3.2o 1.16a x2 ~ 2.3a use

SR:
-Just a singular of the above
A-1.16
W-4.25
3.2ohm (stated)

So with an 860mAh as an example

The SR would equal ~ 74minutes runtime I believe (continuous) or about 444 10s draws
The DC would equal ~ 37minutes runtime (continuous) or about 222 10s draws

So, DC is double everything in the end really.

Double the power, double the battery use.

Ahhhhhhh THANK YOU 2083 (I rather like just using the ####'s :D) ... This is EXACTLY what I thought ... And wanted to know ... For sure! ;-)

(And since everything is doubled ... This also means more juice would be consumed! YEPPERS ... All the things I wanted to know! Well .... Pertaining to dual coils anyway! :D)
 
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And I'd like to thank retired and syndicate and kids (a lotta numerals in those last two names) for correcting the doofusness of me not considering the lower resistance when commenting the battery life.

I know better (or believed I did), but just blew RIGHT past that rather important factor in the equation.

So, again, thank all y'all.

Time to move - duties call. :2cool:
 

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I've always had a love/hate with DCs. Sometimes I don't know what it is, but I just can't put a DC of some form down and go to town with it.

Other times they drive me insane. I am very curious to see how the BB.bb aspire's do if they are DCs.. perhaps such a relatively small area of coil mitigates how super 'harsh' a full sized carto DC can be or something..
 

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It may be, also, that the slight increase in amperage use could somewhat equalize with the lower amperage use.

Meaning, if the amperage is slightly higher - this will really depend on the person - the increased amperage should equate to a somewhat harder hit. So an average vape draw may go from say, an average of 10s to lets say 7s.

So even with similar wattage ratings (though the above example is slightly skewed), the power being applied is greater, which in turn should equal a more intense vape, right?

Using my battery as an example, and some creative poetic license...

860mAh
2.0ohm SR carto
4v
=~2A discharge
=~43minutes of continuous battery usage
=~368 Draws at 7s as the average (43 minutes to seconds, divided by average draw of 7s) accounting for stronger hit

860mAh
3ohm SR
4.75v
=~1.583A discharge
=~54minutes continuous
=~324 draws at 10s

So does longer literally equate to the Time of total discharge, or how long your draw needs to be, to get the feeling you want?

I think its probably mostly the secondary item, and of course the above uses entirely arbitrary and anecdotal draw times, but you may find that a combination that equals a higher amp draw could equal a longer vape session before next charge, even using more power on the onset.

just food for thought ;)


EXCELLENT! I have no clue what any of it means, but it's just excellent, syn!!!!!!!

And now my thoughts are full.



My head is beginning to hurt. And when Taxes are less taxing that thread posts... well, need I continue?

I'm joking, of course. This has actually been very beneficial for me, and truly educational. So, I thank all you braniacs profusely & sincerely.

I'm going to push my button again. Thanks all!

^^^ I'm with headache man.
 

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Got the billet bridge today. I am really liking it so far. I use my box for portability, I mainly vape high end genesis. Diver isn't really for me as if I'm going to build I'm more into other atomizers. While of course I don't get the same flavor out of the bridge as a genesis, wasn't expecting too, I do get a clean tasting hit and some throat hit. I also get that easy no hassle device that is portable.

To me carto is like air, this works for me and I can really enjoy the box now. Flavor improves as you go, give it time to break in. Exactly what I was looking for!

If I could improve it the only way I can think of is to somehow incorporate the nautilus heads as I hear they provide an even higher quality vape. Not sure of the size issues with them I've never seen one.


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Hi folks, I am the lucky recipient of a cared for BB. I've chased this mod for a while, now that it's in my possession..love it! I'm running a Diver V2 and the vape is fantastic. My only gripe is the occasional dry hit, I primer puff pretty regularly. Someone suggested micro, the billet bridge looks interesting also.

Ken

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I think I am weird.

I have gotten and tried many different cartos (my juice is 35VG/65PG). The ones I like best believe it or not are the 'SMOK' 2 hole, at round 2ohms. Higher ohm cartos are too cool for me, and the slotted ones, etc seem to all flood on me and gurgle. I bought another member's stash of cartos, and it came with all the 'better' brands - which I just am not liking - go figure...

I wish I could find a place that sells the SMOK cartos for less than $1.30 each.
 

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Hi folks, I am the lucky recipient of a cared for BB. I've chased this mod for a while, now that it's in my possession..love it! I'm running a Diver V2 and the vape is fantastic. My only gripe is the occasional dry hit, I primer puff pretty regularly. Someone suggested micro, the billet bridge looks interesting also.

Ken

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Come by the Diver thread, and tell us your build - with a picture, if possible. Dry hits are from inadequate juice flow, likely from a choked wick. There's a few things you can do to address this.
 
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