The case against cotton wicks

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fiddleshe

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My early childhood was in an area that was nothing but cotton fields. Our 1971 built suburban subdivision was carved out of a huge cotton farm. My school dozed more of the same farm land my house stood on to build it. Us kids, back in the day, really did have to walk a mile through cotton fields to get to school. That being said, let me tell you what I know about cotton.

Cotton is a very nasty plant. If you look at raw cotton there are dead bugs (among other disgusting things) inside the actual cotton since cotton has no natural resistance to pests. I remember the big semi-trucks coming regularly to drop off what I now know was pesticides. From what I have learned, the cotton crop uses probably more pesticides than any crop on earth per acre. It is about 3% of the worlds crop but uses 25% of the worlds pesticides.

A little disclaimer here, just so you understand where I am coming from. Of the 10 females I grew up with on this land, 7 have had hysterectomies or some type of female cancer before the age of 35. Two more have serious remaining female issues. Three have been unable to bear children. A good half of us have auto-immune diseases as well. I could go on. All of us have children with disabilities, to one degree or another. I can not say how the males turned out since I haven't had contact with any of them since the 80's.

I know a lot of you are saying but I use organic cotton. Well the U.S. Department of Agriculture has done a terrible job certifying farms as organic for cotton. Case in point a nice "organic" cotton farm in Texas. This one particular farm was certified organic in 1992 after nearly 100 years of cotton farming with pesticides. From one particular website, "DDT, DDE and DDD last in the soil for a very long time, potentially for hundreds of years." DDT/DDE used to be a favorite of cotton farmers. Of course that is only one of the hundreds of deadly pesticides that they have put on the cotton plant over the years. The EPA says that there is "a causal relationship between DDT exposure and reproductive effects is suspected. Today, DDT is classified as a probable human carcinogen by U.S. and international authorities." DDT/DDE, is most deadly as ingested or inhaled.

Of note, the school I went to was declared an environmental disaster 30 some years after it was built because they found the soil was tainted with the pesticides
- DDE, toxaphene and dieldrin. The district paid nearly a million dollars to remove 1,622 tons of top soil. Guess what? The water that drained our area, fed into the wells of the people a few miles over who had a cancer cluster of childhood leukemia. I could go into a rampage post about all of that; like what were they thinking? Grrrr.

Hmm, wait how long was that cotton farm in Texas not using pesticides before they certified it organic? Honestly I can't say I cant find research on that particular farm but I can't see any farmer going more than 30 years waiting for pesticides to dissipate. The USDA only requires 3 years of pesticide free farming before they will consider a vegetable farm organic.

Now I don't know about you folks, but I like my cotton jeans and shirts, but I sure as heck do not want to inhale even organic cotton with even a small amount of DDT or any other pesticide that is also heated until it becomes a vapor. Even from what I have seen of organic cotton balls, all of them have been bleached, in what is most likely chlorine bleach. Heated chlorine is some nasty stuff. Chlorine gas was used in WWI to suffocate opposing troups. Even in small chronic amounts it is toxic.

Yes I know I have been a smoker for many years, and I am sure a good half of the nasty chemicals in tobacco probably come from the pesticides that have been sprayed on them, but I am getting older, getting quite sick (some of which I believe maybe due to pesticide exposure).
I am changing my ways.

My post is out of concern for people, first of all those not using organic cotton, you might want to consider stopping immediately. Secondly for people even using organic cotton since there is quite possibly even minute amounts of pesticide in the cotton. To the latter, use at your own risk.

Besides, hemp has the longest fiber known to man which means it is probably better at wicking than cotton since the juice does not have to jump fibers to reach the next one. Secondly both hemp and bamboo are better at holding moisture, ask any cloth diaper Mama these days. Also hemp has natural pesticides in it meaning that there has never been pesticides used on the crop. Bamboo, needs some pesticides but they can thrive most times without it or minimal and bio-friendly pesticides. Lastly hemp is fire ......ant and bamboo is heat resistant but not fire ......ant without the addition of chemicals (check your manufacturer) meaning your wicks wont burn nearly as easy.

Lastly, I am not proclaiming to be a chemist, so my research may be flawed. If it is, I will gladly say thanks for your research. I suggest you do your own research. I look forward to a friendly discussion, if anyone feels the need.

 
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Interesting. Any links for hemp thread for wicks?


Not yet, I use a hemp cord for making my hippie bracelets, called Hippie Hemp. I don't know if the producer uses pesticides or not. I can't say. It doesn't say organic on it. That being said most if hemp should be organic.
 

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Not yet, I use a hemp cord for making my hippie bracelets, called Hippie Hemp. I don't know if the producer uses pesticides or not. I can't say. It doesn't say organic on it. That being said most if hemp should be organic.
I was using hemp in my micro coils. If you boil it the taste is clean. I was warned about how they treat it. So I stoped using it. I like the taste of treated ceramic wick the best but it is hard to fit it through micro coils.
 

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great post OP.
I have concerns about the safety of our equipment. The juice not so much, but atty pieces. Kanthal, nichrome, ss mesh, silica, cotton, hemp, ceramic, copper, aluminum, silver, pyrex, polypro, numerous plastic and glasses. The studies dont exist proving or disproving the safety of heating and inhaling vapor from these materials. I am not saying any of this is dangerous, just that it is unknown.
Tired of the cliche: "its gotta be safer than smoking" ? An illusion is only an illusion if it proves to be unreal.


Make your own ceramic wicks. :) A block of porcelain or earthenware ceramic clay is cheap and will last you, well more than a few lifetimes for wicks. Renting a kiln can be cheap if you find a place that does classes.

that requires an amount of energy i am not willing to exert compared to the $15 online purchase delivered to door. But thank you for bringing it to my attention, i was unaware of how ceramic wick was sourced. :)
 

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Interesting, educational post. Enjoyed reading it.

One if my good friends died last year younger, liver cancer....she was a farmer. They grew stuff for the beer industry.

My other friend died early of same disease, he was a crop duster for different kinds of farms.

I think it goes w/out saying that pesticides are dangerous stuff, whether organic or not. Actually, a few chemist friends have warned me off a lot of organic stuff, due to it often being "more" dangerous in terms of the pesticides used. In terms of flavorings, they have naturally-occuring stuff that, if using synthetic flavorings, would be removed in the laboratory setting. So there are instances where synthetic flavorings would be much safer.

Herbicides are another story, too. People spray that stuff around like it was water from the hose or something.

I guess one thing can be said, and that is keep it simple. I don't need juice that is green or orange, my lungs don't really need food dyes, because it doesn't make the stuff taste better.

The USDA only requires 3 years of pesticide free farming before they will consider a vegetable farm organic.
That is correct.

What I didn't catch was WHY hemp and bamboo are better, ie. besides wicking capabilities, are you saying they require less pesticides? What makes them safer?
 

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What I didn't catch was WHY hemp and bamboo are better, ie. besides wicking capabilities, are you saying they require less pesticides? What makes them safer?

Hemp, contains its own natural pesticides. It shouldn't be needed. That being said, I did find an interesting website for hemp yarn. It states on their website that their Romanian hemp yarn source does use "minimal" use of pesticides. However, there are other kinds of hemp yarn on their website that apparently uses no pesticides, I can't find the link right now. They do sell samples at 80 cents each. They also sell raw hemp for spinning. Their prices seem pretty good to me. Hemp has a natural fire resistant property. I would assume that means less burned wicks.

Bamboo, depending on the source, may or may not use pesticides. It does have some natural defenses against bugs, etc. I can't find where I found the info. Here is a source for 100% bamboo yarn. The link above talks about the benefits of bamboo and how it is processed. Bamboo is considered heat resistant, I am not really sure how that differs from fire resistant, in the end I think again it will mean less burned wicks.

I can not find the strand diameter of either hemp or bamboo yarn so I am assuming it will really boil down to someone who can either get a company to measure it or actually just buy some and measure it.

As far a ceramic clay is concerned, I would personally use paper clay, it has a mixture of clay and paper and makes it much more porous after it's fired. The paper burns away. Also as far as making consistent ceramic stick type wicks, you can always use a clay extruder to get small diameter such as 2 mm. I have 2 extruders, one store bought and one homemade and they aren't hard to make either.
 

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...I have concerns about the safety of our equipment. The juice not so much, but atty pieces. Kanthal, nichrome, ss mesh, silica, cotton, hemp, ceramic, copper, aluminum, silver, pyrex, polypro, numerous plastic and glasses. The studies dont exist proving or disproving the safety of heating and inhaling vapor from these materials. I am not saying any of this is dangerous, just that it is unknown.
Tired of the cliche: "its gotta be safer than smoking" ? An illusion is only an illusion if it proves to be unreal.....

The major difference in how safe a material is would be in how much it is heated, and to what maximum temperature. Tobacco would be the first and a major example of this....:)

The Kanthal, nichrome you mention is used in toasters since who know when, heated far above the temperature an atty will ever reach for far longer that you would ever fire an atty. Right next to your bread of pop-tart, in an enclosed environment. PG and VG vaporize in the 100 F degree range far lower temps.

Also cotton, hemp is used in surgical dressing, any foreign substances would be easily absorbed and disallowed.

And ceramic, copper, aluminum, silver, pyrex, polypro, numerous plastic and glasses are used in any number of cooking vessels rated far higher in temperature that we vape at. Our vapor is produced at a temperature below boiling water (ever try to vape a wet wick?) and these substances are used everyday at temp far above that, for frying and baking.

Something being organic would impress me more if a common natural organic pesticide wasn't nicotine....
I'm not saying vaping is proven to be 100% safe in studies, but I won't obsess over trace amounts of anything, particularly in amounts that could not even be measured by science 10-20 years ago.

I'm more worried about the long term effects from what I've breathed in over many years living in New Jersey, the smog, industrial stacks, air you could smell and taste (not a good flavor either)
 

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The bamboo your seeing is actually rayon. Rarely really made from bamboo but non the less I find it to be fairly safe as far as I can tell with normal use. I've been trying to get hemp fiber down as its a nice cross with the benifits I see from rayon and cotton both in one.

The bamboo yarn I listed claims to be 100% bamboo. I have no seen any other source, yes I looked at other websites for a cheaper price, that say else wise. I even checked the manufacturers website. If you have found a site that says other wise please list it.
 

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Interesting post. Good reading.

All the Cigs we smoked.....the paper was bleached with chlorine.

I for one am not going to be stressing anything I've read (he says while vaping his cotton wick)

Absolutely, the paper was bleached with chlorine. However, most of us have switched to vaping to avoid all the chemicals. Why continue with bleaching of cotton or any other product?
 

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This is interesting and worrying at the same time. Can we put this in the general discussion or someplace where we might get more input from other members?

I'm not familiar with this topic but it does make me feel like tossing out my pack of cotton balls.

I don't know how to move this post to another forum. You can certainly ask the powers that be.
 

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I wonder what you eat. Is it 100% organic farmed ?
Most of our food supply depends on the use of pesticides and chemicals.

Did the cows and other meat source animals eat organic grasses and organic grains?
probably not.

Is your milk organic?

Do you eat any prepared foods or cook it all at home from scratch ?

Do you know that the world killed far more people than they supposedly ever saved when they outlawed DDT ? (and I'm talking MILLIONS) Probably the biggest crime against humanity was the outlawing of DDT.

Do you know that almost all the foods we eat are processed with or in equipment that is sanitized with chlorine bleach. Its totally safe.

Do you drink tap water or municipal water? It is sanitised with chlorine too or chloramine. Totally safe.

Sterile cotton contains no bleach.
If there is even a trace amount it would be destroyed by boiling the cotton which many cotton wick users do btw.
I love cotton wicks...for their pure flavor and great performance.

but anyway... if you want something worth being concerned about...
The most dangerous thing in todays human diet IS WHEAT !
If you want to become more healthy, the single most important thing we can do is stop eating wheat in all forms.
You can actually reverse heart disease and avoid several other diseases, not to mention major weight reductions by eliminating wheat.
Wheat is making people fat. Raising triglycerides. Causing heart attacks. Causing high blood sugar and other serious illness.

Wheat is NOT heart healthy and the American Heart Association knows it.

Google Dr William Davis and read the book wheat belly. Wheat Belly Blog | Lose the Wheat Lose the Weight

Another important health resource to visit : Member Forum

hth
 
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