The Political Downfall of Vaping

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zmauls

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This thread is meant to raise awareness, nothing more.

When I started vaping, clones were on the rise. There were clones for all the most popular tube mods, such as the Nemesis, the King, or the Ba Gua. With a genuine Nemesis selling for almost $300, why would any casual vaper not want to get an almost identical mod for a fraction of the price? It only makes sense.

With the success of clones came literal clones of clones. Specific companies were developed that specialized in fabricating fabrications. Generally speaking, everyone wins. The high-grade mod producers get their money from dedicated enthusiasts, and clone creators get their money from everyone else. Unfortunately, a desire to replicate such blazing success comes with many problems.

APV's have a wide range of parts, accessories, and necessities that make the hobby whole. Each individual factor has the potential to be replicated, and third parties have and will continue to jump on that opportunity. E-juice flavors have been replicated and cloned. Tanks, atomizers, and the wire we use to build our coils have been replicated and cloned. Many stores, both online and B&M, sell their "fake" products as genuine. But there is one integral part of any APV that should never be cloned. There is one part of any APV that, if replicated improperly, could cause the end of the hobby as we know it. That part, of course, is the battery.

I understand the desire to make money. I truly do. But yesterday I walked into a B&M in St. Louis, MO, and noticed they had a supply of Sony VTC4's. They were cheap, and I figured, "Hey, I could use a couple new batteries." As soon as I took a close look at the battery, though, it was highly apparent that this was no Sony VTC4. It looked like one, sure. But it wasn't. It was missing certain numbers, codes, and prints that every VTC4 I'd ever seen had had printed on its wrapper. Thus, herein lies a detrimental and potentially very dangerous problem for vaping hobbyists.

I run a 0.20Ω coil. That is the absolute limit that should be pushed by my battery. It is improbable, nigh, impossible, that marketers who clone batteries take the same care and dedication that established manufacturers have taken to make sure their batteries are safe and capable of doing what they are supposed to do. My point is, if I require, for the sake of keeping my fingers and teeth in tact, a 30A battery in my mod, and I unknowingly purchase a clone of said battery of which the amp limit is 20A, I may very well do serious damage to my body, start a fire in my car or house, or injure an unlucky bystander. The fact that battery clones have gone into production is abhorrent and poses a threat to our already politically delicate hobby.

I'm not sure what can be done. I just want to spread the word.

Be careful. We are scrutinized enough as it is.
 
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If i had been cloned a few times too then it'd not matter if a few of me got blown up!

My advice for anyone that sub-ohms is to use the very best batteries you can afford, from a reputable supplier; so not some eBay cheapie, or Chinese knock off - and the same goes for chargers too. The only time i had a battery go postal was when i had a fault in a charger.

A couple of asides - i thought the Nemesis was never patented, so technically they are not clones, since anyone is free to copy it and there are only so many ways of making a tube mod.
Secondly and i am being flippant here - if you are in NJ, isn't going to MO for batteries overkill? ;)

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If i had been cloned a few times too then it'd not matter if a few of me got blown up!

My advice for anyone that sub-ohms is to use the very best batteries you can afford, from a reputable supplier; so not some eBay cheapie, or Chinese knock off - and the same goes for chargers too. The only time i had a battery go postal was when i had a fault in a charger.

A couple of asides - i thought the Nemesis was never patented, so technically they are not clones, since anyone is free to copy it and there are only so many ways of making a tube mod.
Secondly and i am being flippant here - if you are in NJ, isn't going to MO for batteries overkill? ;)

T



damn near 5000 posts, and you pick this one to point out the obvious? :)
 

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Couple of thoughts here.

1) Yes - only ever buy top shelf, legitimate batteries from reputable sources.... obv. Your face is worth a lot more than any savings you might obtain buying cheap batteries.
2) Cloning is not ethical when the original artist's design, logo, signature etc are copied and sold without permission. This is the same as plagiarism and should carry equivalent penalties. No doubt as the vaping market evolves, so will methods of legislating accountability.
 

zmauls

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If i had been cloned a few times too then it'd not matter if a few of me got blown up!

My advice for anyone that sub-ohms is to use the very best batteries you can afford, from a reputable supplier; so not some eBay cheapie, or Chinese knock off - and the same goes for chargers too. The only time i had a battery go postal was when i had a fault in a charger.

A couple of asides - i thought the Nemesis was never patented, so technically they are not clones, since anyone is free to copy it and there are only so many ways of making a tube mod.
Secondly and i am being flippant here - if you are in NJ, isn't going to MO for batteries overkill? ;)

T

Haha, I'd say so, but I'm actually visiting my girlfriend, who also vapes. We were in the store buying her a new atty because her RSST was shot, and I saw the VTC4's at a cheaper-than-online price. I was interested because two of my four batteries are FUBAR. The ones I looked at were clones, apparently.

We ended up going to a different place that had genuine ones in stock, for even cheaper than the clones, which blows my mind. I bought two replacements.

As far as the ethics of cloning (insert sci-fi movie joke here), I agree with Vwls. Making a copy of a product is one thing, but using the exact same labeling, logos, and otherwise seems illegitimate.
 
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