The truth about 100mg

[Switched]

100mg/ml = 10% nicotine/90% carrier.

LD50 = 1000mg nicotine or 99.9% nicotine which in turn states 0.5mg - 1mg/kg body weight.

Folks doing the math should use the appropriate data when doing so. Just saying...

I leave you with a quote from the late JFK

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

 

[wood]

but switched the big question is ... is it safe to work with
should we be able to buy it ?
whats your opinion

 

[wood]

and also is your avatar just a nice pic or is that an actual screen shot of the pv your making
if so it looks great !

 

[Switched]

but switched the big question is ... is it safe to work with
should we be able to buy it ?
whats your opinion

That is all I use! As I don't mix 3ml bottles

 

[wood]

That is all I use! As I don't mix 3ml bottles

i guess not hey then ud have to mix everyday lol and no time to steep

 

[Concat]

So if youre like 500lbs, could you vape 100mg safely? Haha I kid...

 

[mwa102464]

i guess not hey then ud have to mix everyday lol and no time to steep

No you mix enough to last you as long as you wish, I enjoy fresh over steeped for a long time everyday of the week, with in reason of course, a couple days to a week steep is fine with me.

It's absolutely fine to work with 100mg, there are also many juice vendors who say one thing so you don't do what they don't want you to do, I've learned a long time ago to investigate for myself and find the truth before I believe everything I read or am told, I take it all with a grain of salt until I do it myself ( most of the time unless I am speaking to someone I highly respect and trust !

Steeping is another Myth as far as I'm concerned, OK maybe a few days to a week, but there has never been a liquid that if I tried it right out of the box and didn't like it I then fell in love with it 3 months later, if I mix something I shake the hell out of it and try it, if I like it I know it's going to be good and I'm going to vape it, if I don't like it then it usually hits the trash can by the next day or two if I cant figure out what to ad to make it to my taste buds likings.

All the molecules in a 30ml bottle of juice dont take months to all come together, the Nic will also darken your juice over time. I really also believe this whole dam steeping thing is a joke to make people buy more liquids too, think about it, if a vendor tells you hay this stuff is going to be great 60 days from now that means you need to buy enough liquid to carry you over for the next two months "right" Like I said if I make something or I order a juice on the rare times I do I know if my taste buds are gonna like it as soon as I vape it usually.! These are my opinions ONLY, others will disagree, but I've been there and my taste buds tell me pretty quickly if I'm going to like a juice or not and like I said don't get me wrong everything can pull together nicely in a week, two to the absolute moon but I pretty much know as soon as I try it if it's going to be good or is good !

 

[Can_supplier]

There are also many juice vendors who say one thing so you don't do what they don't want you to do, I've learned a long time ago to investigate for myself and find the truth before I believe everything I read or am told, I take it all with a grain of salt until I do it myself

Why oh why do you assume everything a vendor says is for their best interests, and cannot be part of the community?

Do you not think I can get 100mg? Trust me I can, and clearly it would sell. I choose not to, at a financial loss, because it can and will fall into the wrong hands. As a result of this discussion I even pulled my 50mg.

But then since so many think my motives are about money, maybe I should just give in and prove you all right. Heck I can have 99.5% up on the site before the end of the week. Be one of the first out there selling that retail to everyone. Can one up all my competition and get a ton of "press" on that. Hmmmmmm..

Now you are yelling at the screen.. "That’s just plain stupid".. Ok, I hear you... But now you established that you need to answer a question for me..

WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE?!?!?

-What as a vendor can I sell to the public, without risking people's lives, and potentially damaging vaping for everyone when something bad happens? Please give a number.

-Is the limit, 100mg, so I can't do 110mg, just to be stronger than the rest of the competition?

 

[mwa102464]

I have never even mentioned you in one of my comments so I think your post is a little premature here isn't it, I said suppliers not " Can _ Supplier !!!! so your assuming and that's just not a good thing to do sometimes, and this is one of them.

As far as 100mg falling into the wrong hands "Maybe" but I haven't heard of two many people here in the good old US of A who have been poisoned or killed by 100mg from handling it wrong, in fact I haven't heard of any yet, now I could be wrong there may have been one but as of yet I haven't heard about it in the 3yrs I've been vaping! Just saying

I've been purchasing 100mg for a long time from two very trusted vendors and it is the cleanest Nic I have ever found so what you choose to sell Can_Supplier is up to you, there is Nic that I wouldn't use to kill the Ant's in my back yard and then there is 99.9 clear Nic that is very high quality stuff, I don't know all the laws up in Canada, I have been reading some of what has been going on and I think it may be a totally different venture up in Canada than here in the USA. So it's something I guess you would have to look into, however if it was legal for you to sell it and you did sell it than there also could be a waiver you could possibly have an internet signature signed saying that you are off the hook and they are on there own once they take delivery I don't know the legality of the Business up in Canada right now, but it very well may be something you might want to look into, then again you may want to stick to your business plan and let someone else make the money and sell it, it's all UP TO YOU !

There are hazardous chemicals sold around the world, in every country, so there must be a way all these other companies are selling a hazorous product and doing well with no problems of getting sued and being off the hook, hell someone could buy a bottle of glue and if they drink it and die is the supermarket going to be ultimately responsible for selling that person the glue, ( I dont think so )

 

[Can_supplier]

I have never even mentioned you in one of my comments so I think your post is a little premature here isn't it, I said suppliers not " Can _ Supplier !!!! so your assuming and that's just not a good thing to do sometimes, and this is one of them

Well let me put it another way, as a supplier I challenge your view that 100mg is safe. I guess it’s safe to assume you agree that I am speaking for no other motivation than my concern over the well being of everyone.

Agree or disagree that fine, but it's nice to not be discredited because I sell products.

My questions above still stand.

 

[mwa102464]

Answered in my post below

 

[Can_supplier]

Yes and no.. You are discussing the legality in Canada.

Up here selling .00001mg/ml is the same as selling 99.5%. You can look at is as either we don't have an upper limit, or anywhere on the scale is equally as illegal, which allows for me to sell whatever concentration I choose with the same consequences under the current laws. That is my reading of it anyhow.

So going on that assumption, which removed the law as a factor, what is the upper limit concentration I can morally sell?

 

[mwa102464]

I'm all done here in this thread, this is a redundant conversation, there is 100mg Nic juice being sold by many here in the USA and as of now it isn't an issue for us to purchase it and use it to mix out juices with, I think it will also be a couple of years before any Regs are drawn up and it is regulated, and even then I think there will be places to get it, my particular vendors tell me they are going to have it no matter what, that may be going out on a limb but heck with the internet I can have just about anything I want delivered to my doorstep with in a week, and that's legal goods and non legal good if I wanted.

 

[Can_supplier]

I can have just about anything I want delivered to my doorstep with in a week, and that's legal goods and non legal good if I wanted.

Which is fine. You can get 99.5% to your door from China. It’s not a matter here of stopping anyone for getting anything. It’s your life, it’s your choice.

But at very least if someone is harmed with this stuff, and they smuggled it in from China, it doesn’t look as bad on the whole industry. That person went out of their way to act on their own, with the consequences clearly resulting from their own actions.

Remember not everyone looking at 100mg even knows what it is. You have a new vapor who just found a site trying to figure out what strength they should vape. They didn’t read the warnings and advice here, they didn’t research anything, they just see a bunch of number for sale. They used to smoke the strongest cigarettes, so why not buy the strongest juice, which ends in vaping 100mg straight up and or taking a good mouthful because they overfilled the cart. No one can say that is safe.

In the very near future we are going to face a ton of regulations. We need to look good for that time, we need to be under control with our own checks and balances in place so the regulators don’t have an excuse to needless regulate us. So my question of what strength is morally acceptable isn’t a smart$$ response, it’s a real question we need to answer.

Look at the backlash over high alcohol beer. At 10% it’s not deadly, you’d have to drown yourself in it, or drink enough to drown, you can even buy 4 times stronger hard liquor. But that it was marketed irresponsibly lead to attention, and at lest up here in Canada with regulations where it was pulled from the shelves. We can’t act in any way that could be seen as irresponsible, or we face the same wrath.

 

[IanK1968]

Someone just drank 6 regular beer, got in a car, drove and ran over a family of 4, Killed them all including himself. 5 people dead in a millisecond from a legal substance and your worried about 100mg Nic?

 

[Can_supplier]

Someone just drank 6 regular beer, got in a car, drove and ran over a family of 4, Killed them all including himself. 5 people dead in a millisecond from a legal substance and your worried about 100mg Nic?

Good example of how laws can get out of control if you let them. Because someone was irresponsible with something, they drank themselves till they couldn't see, most likely many times over the legal limit, we now have laws where they impound your car for 7 days (without charging you with anything) for 7 days at .05, which is where you will be with a glass of wine, or a beer out for dinner.

We do not want to let there be reason to regulate vaping down that same path, or after the government is done deciding that is best for you, you'll be lucky to get .1mg/ml.

 

[hankbizzo5]

I would have to agree both of you have a valid point most people could use 100mg without a prob. BUT there is always that idiot that screws it up for everyone.

 

[Danesnpits]

Why oh why do you assume everything a vendor says is for their best interests, and cannot be part of the community?

Do you not think I can get 100mg? Trust me I can, and clearly it would sell. I choose not to, at a financial loss, because it can and will fall into the wrong hands. As a result of this discussion I even pulled my 50mg.

But then since so many think my motives are about money, maybe I should just give in and prove you all right. Heck I can have 99.5% up on the site before the end of the week. Be one of the first out there selling that retail to everyone. Can one up all my competition and get a ton of "press" on that. Hmmmmmm..

Now you are yelling at the screen.. "That’s just plain stupid".. Ok, I hear you... But now you established that you need to answer a question for me..

WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE?!?!?

-What as a vendor can I sell to the public, without risking people's lives, and potentially damaging vaping for everyone when something bad happens? Please give a number.

-Is the limit, 100mg, so I can't do 110mg, just to be stronger than the rest of the competition?

Just curious, when did the forum allow suppliers to talk about stuff like this on the forum? I thought buisness was to stay off the forum? Just wonderin?

 

[wood]

Just curious, when did the forum allow suppliers to talk about stuff like this on the forum? I thought buisness was to stay off the forum? Just wonderin?

hes not discussing his product
just bashing others

 

[mwa102464]

OK, Ya know something, it ONLY FIGURES YOU PULL THAT QUOTE OUT OF MY POST ! if you eat to many string beans you will also die, did you know if you purchased wheat and had a wheat allergy and gobbled it all down you may also kick the bucket ? somebody buying something with out reading what there buying ? I don't think so, it would be very easy to put a skull with cross & bones over the 100MG on your website too Can_Supplier with a large warning, and even make them sign a waiver of release holding you harmless.

Again, the adult warming the bottle of milk has to make sure they don't boil it before they feed the baby and kill the kid it's a common sense thing. Like I said any adult is responsible for there own actions, someone could pull up to the gas station and pull the handle off the hook from the gas hose and fill there mouth with the gas and drink it till they killed them self too. I think your being a little bit obsessed here, hell if your that worried, what if someone purchased and drank a bottle of the 24mg you sold them too, and they thought it tasted so good they drank a six pack of it and keeled over and died. what then ? are you going to feel bad and be responsible for that person you just sold those 6 bottles of that 24mg juice to that just drank all 6 of them and died ? tell me, answer this one please, what are you going to do Can_Supplier. Like I said this thread is becoming more ridiculous the longer it goes on, it needs to be closed !

Then just don't sell the 100mg on you website if it poses a question in your mind and you don't want that business and revenue from it, that simple isn't it ? Just don't sell it, let the other guy who has a great contact who can get the 99.7 or 99.9 over that 99.5 you have and let them sell the ultimate cleanest Nic that can be had and let them make the money and profit off of that great clean Nic. ( Right ) You are doing well you don't need to sell 100mg Nic, just don't sell it Can_Supplier. Remember one thing though, you will not capture the true DIY customer who wants great clean 100mg Nic to mix with, it wont happen if your not selling it. Thank god I can have mine sitting on my door step in 2 days flat though, I thoroughly enjoy mixing with the stuff and will continue to until the day comes that I cant. Then I may have to order right from China at that point too. No pun intended