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The Truth on E Cigarettes

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Been doing research and here's what I found, Moderators please sticky if possible.

[h=1]Conspiracy to Kill: Governments and Public Health Campaigners[/h]
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[h=2]Supression of Alternative Smoking Products Will Kill Millions[/h] [h=2][/h] We believe there is a conspiracy, not just against electronic cigarettes but against all forms of alternative smoking.
Saving lives:
According to the Tobacco Harm Reduction project alternatives to smoking such as smokeless tobacco and e-cigarettes reduce the risks of dying from a smoking-related diseases by 95%.
Less harmful:
Smokers Only states:
Smoking efficiently delivers nicotine, an addictive drug producing many pleasurable effects. But nicotine does not cause cancer, heart attacks or emphysema. Those illnesses are caused by the other 3000 products of tobacco combustion.
Safety
In a Safety Report on the Electronic Cigarette, Dr Murray Laugeson of Health New Zealand states that electronic cigarettes are;
"...very safe relative to cigarettes, and also safe in absolute terms on all measurements we have applied."
Living in a dreamworld:
Despite the existence of healthier options, Health Campaigners seem to insist that smokers either give up or die. The truth of the matter is that many of us can’t or don’t want to.
In Killing By The Million Clive Bates, former director of AshUk, argues that:
Instead of telling the truth about low risk options, there is a conspiracy to lie and mislead (for example, the US Surgeon General told a barefaced lie about it to Congress).
Supressing information:
Google refuses to run ads for the E-Cigarette. tobacco Harm Reduction states that there is a deliberate spread of misinformation. Lies are told in the US congress. The E-cigarette is banned in Australia. In the UK e-cigarette companies are forced to remove genuine testimonials from customers.
Revenue:
Revenue from smoking still far outstrips the cost of treating smoking diseases - smoking diseases cost nearly 3 billion but the government raises about 10 billion yearly from smoking revenues. And of course, if everyone gave up smoking traditional cigarettes, the government would still have to pay for the diseases built up after years of traditional smoking - but without the sin tax they levy on smokers.
Is it a conspiracy? You decide!
 

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Background: The FDA maintains that the electronic cigarette is a drug delivery device, despite a ruling by Judge Leon to the contrary. The agency has been confiscating shipments of e-cigarettes, and has criticised the device in a press release. Here Spike Babaian tells us how she feels the agency is obstructing research into the electronic cigarette.

ECD: You've told me in emails before that you feel that the FDA is obstructing research in connection with e-cigarette. Can you tell me any more about that? How are they obstructing the research and what do you think is their motivation?

Spike: We have tried to do a number of studies.

We put forth two research proposals to IRBs - in America we have institutional review boards and may have to review for ethical purposes any study that’s done in the United States with human subjects. And our initial proposal was to do exhale vapor study and have subjects using the product and testing their exhale vapor and to determine if what they were exhaling was safe for bystanders and people around them.

We put forth proposals and initially the response was, “Yes we would be happy to review your proposal and determine whether or not it’s ethical.”

A couple of days later we got an email back saying we find that we are not qualified to review your proposal because we don’t have the medical knowledge required to determine whether or not its ethical.

So I said, “I’ll be happy to provide a medical expert on, you know, pulmonary specialties to provide that information for you and we’d be happy to pay someone as a medical expert who you choose to come and explain to you what the research study is.”

And they said, “No, we can’t do that you’ll have to go somewhere else.” So they said, “and we’ve also spoken with the FDA and they said you’re not allowed to do the study because your product is a drug delivery device.”

This was a time before the determination to come down from federal court that the product was a tobacco product and not a drug delivery device. So we had no argument and we let it go.

Two weeks after that point we got the notification that Judge Leon, Richard Leon, Federal Court Judge, had determined that the product should be considered tobacco product and regulated as a tobacco product, not a drug delivery device and we applied again to a different IRB who might have medical expertise.

They claimed to have medical expertise for all studies including drug study so we figured even if they determine it’s a drug, they’d still have to review it because they said they have expertise in all areas.

So we requested to them and they said, “Yes, we’d be happy to review your product if you can send us a check for $2200,” which was what they charge if you are not going through a university.

We’ve raised enough money to do that and we went to submit the application and the check. And they said, “Well, you know we’ve spoken with the FDA and they determined that the product is drug delivery device and we would need a special number, a certification number before we can accept your proposal and you’ll have to go through the FDA and get approval first.”

And I said, “Well, we are not applying to sell the product and we don’t believe that it’s a drug delivery device. We just want to study its effects." And they said, “Well, the FDA has told us you are not allowed to do that.” So they refused to review our study.

So we have a third study that we are currently working on that. We’ve now raised a third of the funding for and in this study we have decided not use human subjects. We’ve elected to use a smoking machine as you would when they do secondhand smoke studies because it is not ethically sound to make people smoke cigarettes. So they use this machine to inhale and exhale smoke from a cigarette. So we’ve had the company to determine whether or not it can be used with e-cigarettes and whether or not it can inhale and exhale vapor. And they told us that it should.

So, we’re going to have the machine function to inhale and exhale instead of having human subjects. So, there is no IRB approval required. And hopefully this will stop the FDA from trying to stop our studies.

We‘ve also written to the FDA numerous times explaining to them that we’re trying to do research and that they are interfering with our research by claiming that the product is a drug delivery device, and we are trying to study the product as an environmental situation, in environmental situation to determine whether it is safe to bystanders and we’re not trying to study it and its effect as a drug delivery device even though that’s what they think it is.

And their response in email, which we have and can publish for proof, has been, “You can’t study the product unless you apply as a drug delivery device,” in essence forcing us to say, “Yes, it’s a drug delivery device” before we can do any research on the product. And this is where we’ve been stopped a number of times. And again, by having the machine use the product rather than a human being, we avoided this situation and allows us to be able to use the study regardless.

ECD: Why do you think they might be obstructing this research?

Spike: The only thing that I can think of is that they stand to lose money if we do it without the FDA. If this research were to be done and done and funded through the FDA, they’ve already admitted they would cost millions and millions of dollars. We’re able to do the study, we proceeded with the proposal with a quote of 76,000 and I believe that we can complete this study for less than a hundred thousand dollars if we don’t have to go through the FDA and if there are no human subjects and we are not intending to apply as a drug delivery device, there’s no reason we should have to go through the FDA. But I believe that they stand to lose money that we would have to pay them if we were to go and do this study through the FDA
 
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FDA Analysis of the Electronic Cigarette
Analysis Suggests Electronic Cigarettes Safer than Conventional Cigarettes


Note: This is an summary of the report commissioned by the FDA, currently the subject of a law suit by electronic cigarette suppliers, not the controversial FDA announcement itself. In our opinion the report clearly shows that electronic cigarettes are safer than regular cigarettes.

Testing


A total of 18 Cartridges were tested in two ways. Electronic Cigarettes were simulated for use with temperatures ranging from 40-65 degrees centigrade and also at 280 degrees centigrade.

Conclusion of the Report


"Tobacco specific nitrosamines and tobacco specific impurities were detected in both products at very low levels. DEG was identified in one cartridge." FDA Report

"Nicotine is present in both products. The Smoking Everywhere Electronic Cigarette cartridges listed as containing no nicotine in some cases had very low amounts of nicotine present. Tobacco specific nitrosamines and tobacco specific impurities were detected in both products at very low levels. DEG was identified in one cartridge, Smoking Everywhere 555 High." View report.
Electronic Cigarettes


Harmful Ingredients Found in Electronic Cigarettes


Diethylene Glycol: Diethylene Glycol was found in one cartidge. Diethylene Glycol is harmful to humans.

Tobacco-Specific Nitrosamines: Trace amounts of nitrosamines were found. Levels were consitent with those found in nicotine replacement aids. According to Professor Brad Rodu, there is abundant evidence that miniscule levels of tobacco specific nitrosamines do not cause cancer in users of smokeless tobacco (Source: Tobacco Truth).

Comparison to Regular Cigarettes

Ingredients found in regular cigarettes:

"...regular cigarettes contain 300-1400 times the amount of nitrosamines found in electronic cigarettes."

Tobacco Specific Nitrosamines: Proffessor Michael Siegel estimates that regular cigarettes contain 300-1400 times the amount of nitrosamines found in electronic cigarettes. (See Comparison of Regular and Electronic Cigarettes.)

Full List of carcininogens found in regular cigarettes: Benz(a)anthracene, Benzo(b)fluoranthene, Benzo(j)fluoranthene, Benzo(k)fluoranthene, Benzo(a)pyrene, Dibenz(a,h)anthracene,, Dibenzo(a,l)pyrene, Dibenzo(a,e)pyrene, Indeno(1,2,3-cd)pyrene, Quinolineb, Dibenz(a,j)acridine, Benzo(b)furan, Furan, N-Nitrosodimethylamine, N -Nitrosoethylmethylamine, N -Nitrosodiethylamine, N -Nitroso-di-n-butylamine, N -Nitrosopyrrolidine N -Nitrosopiperidine
N -Nitrosodiethanolamine, N -Nitrosonornicotine, 4-(Methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone, 2-Toluidine
2,6-Dimethylaniline, 2-Naphthylamine, 4-Aminobiphenyl, AaC, PhIP, Formaldehyde, Acetaldehyde, 1,3-Butadiene, Isoprene, Benzene, Styrene, Acetamide, Acrylamide,, Acrylonitrile, Vinyl chloride, DDT, DDE, Catechol, Caffeic acid, 1,1-Dimethylhydrazine, 2-Nitropropane, Nitrobenzene, Ethyl carbamate, Ethylene oxide, Propylene oxide, Methyleugenol, Hydrazine, Arsenic, Nickel, Chromium, Cadmium, Lead, Polonium-210

Chemicals: Regular cigarettes contain approximately 10,000 chemicals, including known toxins, which electronic cigarettes do not.

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Criticisms of the Testing

"Comparison products were not tested for tobacco specific nitrates."

1. Method of Testing: Tim Worstal of the Examiner criticised the heating of the ingredients to 280 degrees centigrade, arguing that they should be tested as used (i.e. at 40-60 degrees centigrade.)

2. Comparison to pharmecutical products: Nicotine Inhalers were used as a comparison product. However, the FDA did not test these products and have never tested these products for tobacco specific nitrates, despite a 2006 study showing that they do indeed contain TNSA's. (Source: Professor Brad Radu).

3. Testing for carcinogens: Professor Brad Radu also points out that this is the first time the FDA have ever tested a product for carcinogens, despite regulating Nicotine Cessation Aids.
 

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Tax Revenue From Tobacco Products

Parliamentary Sitting Date: 11 January 2010



Mr Hri Kumar asked the Minister for Finance how much tax revenue does the Government receive annually in respect of tobacco products in the last three years.

Reply by MOF:


1 The Government collected $621 million of excise duty on tobacco products in FY2006, $700 million in FY2007, and $794 million in FY2008. From April to November this financial year, $587 million of tobacco duty has been collected.

Ministry Of Finance - Newsroom
 

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Hey money has always made the world go round. Look at big pharma and you can see how ugly it is. Just a few years back big pharma stop making life saving anti-venom because it costs too much. So if your love ones get bit by a snake and die, you know who to blame. The same goes to everyone who ever got screwed by these selfish jackholes.
 

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Conspiracy...!

I had a fren who initially wanted my help to obtain this gadget, he said he wanted to give it to his colleague as gift, to help him quit analogs... Before I got one for him, he told me to cancel it... I asked him, why? He said he told his colleague abt his plan, and his colleague said he's scared to use it because it's banned here, doesn't want to take his chances with the law...

So I ask him back, "Your colleague prefer to take his chances against lung cancer huh...?"

EPIC FAIL...!
 

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Conspiracy...!

I had a fren who initially wanted my help to obtain this gadget, he said he wanted to give it to his colleague as gift, to help him quit analogs... Before I got one for him, he told me to cancel it... I asked him, why? He said he told his colleague abt his plan, and his colleague said he's scared to use it because it's banned here, doesn't want to take his chances with the law...

So I ask him back, "Your colleague prefer to take his chances against lung cancer huh...?"

EPIC FAIL...!

Tis is a nice 1!!!!!
 

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actually i rmb reading somewhere they have cure for cancer.. or rather they found a way to fight cancer.
but the whole research was later silenced....
i try to find the link again..

Yup... That was Bellerophon. Oh wait. Bellerophon sounds damn familiar.
 

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No way! Do you know how much money the company will make if they start selling the cure for cancer?! Imagine how many of the 1% would give for that.

You see..If they mark up the price for the cure of cancer too high, u will see protest march everywhere(Except Sinkieland) & it's probably gonna be a 1 off profit. And when they market as cure, it means it has gonna cure...

But if they continue selling the current trend of drugs/chemotherapy to fight cancer with no promises of a complete cure, how much they can earn over a prolong period? Definitely worth more than a 1 off amount.

In short, it's all about the money in the long run..
 

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Chantix did have some success rates but the side effects outweighed the benefits for most. More and more doctors are now discouraging Chantix to patients. It's like the gov. and all involved saying they don't want us to die while pouring us poison as they speak.

YMMV, that said, my side effects were only lucid dreaming and bad tummyaches (due fully to taking the pills before having my meal lol)
 
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