The Volt vs. Provari vs. KGO
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with regard to this err....650 mah (how long does it last) argument, is it possible that the guy with the technical know how is maybe using low resistance attys or cartos and thus he is getting fewer hours out of his? I also routinely get 2.5 ml on a single charge
To answer that requires a big box of "depends". How the mAh is managed by the device can make as much difference as the number of mAh. The simplest example is that a 650 eGo bat will last almost half again as long as say a 650 Kgo bat. The reason for that is the eGo is pulse modulated meaning that even tho you are holding the button down, it's only on about half the time. When you get into the boosted or regulated, VV and VW type mods there become all sorts of different ways to manage the power. All of which effect the charge life of the battery differently.
Two 14500's in my Mamu designed VV box mod last almost 3 times as long as the same bats last in my MadVapes VV box mod. Simply because one uses a switching regulater while the other disipitates the extra voltage (heat).
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I don't buy that 100 mAh equals an hour of light vaping.
100 mAh from what I can tell equals an hour of at least moderate vaping.
A real honest to goodness "light" vaper can make a 650 mAh battery last a day with no problems.
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Oh, well... vape times are very tricky things to compare.
At one time, I was very disappointed because certain reviewers were getting such longer vape times; and posters around here were getting twice that.
The mAh is not an intuitive measure of capacity akin to volume. I assume that the following things matter:
- battery type, make and model
- voltage and resistance used - mainly in terms of Amps at which you discharge it
- average length of puffs and average length of continuous vaping
Based on these, the total charge that can be put out by the battery actually changes, rendering the calculations below very relative.
But, what the heck... Let's see... Don't kill me if I make a mistake, I'm really bad at math...
Excluding all these differences, and simplifying to the extreme, though, a typical vaper vapes at 3.7V usually with a resistance of 2.0 Ohm... No talk about high voltage vapers and ultra-low resistance atties.
That means, that for vaping, such vaper uses a current of 1.85 A (C/s). Given that the "recommended" drag should be between 4-6 seconds, then the vaper uses up 7.4 - 11 A x s (C) for each drag. Since 100 mAh = 360 A x s, then one can probably draw between 32 and 48 times. If a chain vaper vapes most lilkely 2-3 times per minute, the 100 mAh will last from 16 to 24 minutes. That means my KGO will last me between 3 and 5 hours of actual chain-vape time - which fits! That's exactly how long it lasts me (up to 6 hours, really, I guess I take shorter drags).
And if I were to believe the 100 mAh = 1 hour nursery rhyme, I'd expect 11 hours and be so very disappointed at my KGO, right?!
Is there anything wrong with my calculations? You can re-make them for the typical cigarette size vaper that mandatorily uses 3.0 Ohm cartos at 3.7 (1.23 A) or for the high voltage vaper using 5 V at 3 Ohm (1.6 A - less than the LR vaper) or whatever else.
Turns out that if I vaped my KGO with a 3 Ohm carto, I could potentially get 10 hours of vape time - which is what it says on the box, so there...
Again, this would stand for regulated devices, as vaping directly from the battery yields a voltage that falls on a curve that depends on the battery type and capacity and you need calculus for that. Also, again and again, a battery with a higher capacity and a better C rating will "last" closer to it's stated mAh; you do not get the entire mAh from a smaller battery if you discharge a lot of current.
Anyway, I am NOT a physicist or electrical engineer and all this is admittedly VERY simplistic. However, it does kid of gauge vaping times I think and explains the source of the incredible variations between users...
At one time, I was very disappointed because certain reviewers were getting such longer vape times; and posters around here were getting twice that.
The mAh is not an intuitive measure of capacity akin to volume. I assume that the following things matter:
- battery type, make and model
- voltage and resistance used - mainly in terms of Amps at which you discharge it
- average length of puffs and average length of continuous vaping
Based on these, the total charge that can be put out by the battery actually changes, rendering the calculations below very relative.
But, what the heck... Let's see... Don't kill me if I make a mistake, I'm really bad at math...
Excluding all these differences, and simplifying to the extreme, though, a typical vaper vapes at 3.7V usually with a resistance of 2.0 Ohm... No talk about high voltage vapers and ultra-low resistance atties.
That means, that for vaping, such vaper uses a current of 1.85 A (C/s). Given that the "recommended" drag should be between 4-6 seconds, then the vaper uses up 7.4 - 11 A x s (C) for each drag. Since 100 mAh = 360 A x s, then one can probably draw between 32 and 48 times. If a chain vaper vapes most lilkely 2-3 times per minute, the 100 mAh will last from 16 to 24 minutes. That means my KGO will last me between 3 and 5 hours of actual chain-vape time - which fits! That's exactly how long it lasts me (up to 6 hours, really, I guess I take shorter drags).
And if I were to believe the 100 mAh = 1 hour nursery rhyme, I'd expect 11 hours and be so very disappointed at my KGO, right?!
Is there anything wrong with my calculations? You can re-make them for the typical cigarette size vaper that mandatorily uses 3.0 Ohm cartos at 3.7 (1.23 A) or for the high voltage vaper using 5 V at 3 Ohm (1.6 A - less than the LR vaper) or whatever else.
Turns out that if I vaped my KGO with a 3 Ohm carto, I could potentially get 10 hours of vape time - which is what it says on the box, so there...
Again, this would stand for regulated devices, as vaping directly from the battery yields a voltage that falls on a curve that depends on the battery type and capacity and you need calculus for that. Also, again and again, a battery with a higher capacity and a better C rating will "last" closer to it's stated mAh; you do not get the entire mAh from a smaller battery if you discharge a lot of current.
Anyway, I am NOT a physicist or electrical engineer and all this is admittedly VERY simplistic. However, it does kid of gauge vaping times I think and explains the source of the incredible variations between users...
Normally when you buy a kit is comes with two batteries, regardless if it is a Volt, a KGo or the Provari, so the "how long between charges?" question should be a non issue. You vape with the first one while the second is charging or fully charged waiting to be vaped, when the first one dies, you use the second one. Easy Peasy. When I bought my Provari I bought 3 batteries to rotate. (18490s by the way) Battery life doesn't matter to me because I always have two batteries fully charged, or one battery fully charged and one charging. That being said I get almost a whole day ,12-18 hours, from one battery, and I am a chain vaper. I vape my face off ALL day long. My Provari is NEVER more than ten feet from my hand at all times.
Look, I and about a thousand other people have been vaping for a number of years. We've vaped 15+ different models. We've read thousands of posts on this site and other sites on this very topic. Many have read and posted articles from the Battery University site. Getting 15 hours on a 650 mAh battery is not physically possible unless you are a very, very light vapor, meaning you take a few puffs every hour. For the average vapor, a 650 mAh battery provides 5 - 7 hours of vaping time.
You can mis-lead other new members all you want, but if you can't hack others challenging your asinine statements based on solid evidence and experience, then shut the heck up and stop with the name calling,
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And you like to mislead people about what works and does not work when it comes to vaping. When you support others who make outlandish claims, then you are not helping anyone. This forum was founded on wanting to help others not mislead them. You never understood that which is unfortunate for you and those who don't have the knowledge to realize that about many of your posts.
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I can buy that. I was going to write "light to moderate". But either way, the 3-4 posters on here who agree either directly or through their silence that an 1100 mAh battery will last 3 days, are leading some new, unsuspecting new person down the path of disappointment when they can't figure out why their Kgo doesn't last 15 - 48 hours on a charge.
I've seen too many posts on ECF from some new vaper who is disappointed in the performance of their PV because they were led to believe from posters on ECF that batteries last way beyond what they are physically capable of. It helps no one.
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If you are vaping on your 900 mAh battery every 5 - 10 minutes for 16 hours without the battery dieing, then you are defying the laws of physics. When you have read ECF for longer than a month, you will find that the vast majority do not get any where near that level of battery life from a 900 mAh battery.
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...and there are some vapers (not all, but some) who don't care about the math or Ohm's Law and only want to know what works for them. The rest of us...and yes, I'm a bit of a "quant" myself...should let them be.
I don't believe for a moment that everyone's experiences comply with ANYONE's mathematical formulas.
That makes sense with what I assume is the larger Provari battery and is in line with what most have reported.
If you're using low resistance cartomizers/atty you cut your battery time in almost half.
...and there are some vapers (not all, but some) who don't care about the math or Ohm's Law and only want to know what works for them. The rest of us...and yes, I'm a bit of a "quant" myself...should let them be.
I don't believe for a moment that everyone's experiences comply with ANYONE's mathematical formulas.
I agree that vaping is an individual endeavor and vape times will vary. So all of us tend to give ranges to accourt for that. 650 mAh batteries provide 5 - 7 hours of vaping time. When the top of that range is doubled and tripled, it is very misleading to some new person trying to figure out what will work best for them. Do we want to intentionally mislead someone or instead give them at least relatively accurate information?
Your calculations look about right from my experience. When you do the math and couple that with the thousands of post from other users agreeing with your experience, I would be much interested in Mr Mann or tj99959 to explain to all of us how an 1100 mAh battery can last 48 hours on a charge (three 16 hour days) as they have no disagreement with that statement.
I started with the ego style bats and quickly moved onto variable voltage & tanks with a couple of Buzz Pro's.
All my ego batteries are collecting dust.
Personally I think that we could have started with the buzz pro's without issue. There is some experimentation using a VV device and a slight learning curve but, that's half the fun of giving up cigarettes.
And, at this point I don't even blink at the $700 or so I've spent to get my wife and I off smokes.
If worried about cost and whether or not vaping will work for you there is the lavatube which is a cheap VV device.
All my ego batteries are collecting dust.
Personally I think that we could have started with the buzz pro's without issue. There is some experimentation using a VV device and a slight learning curve but, that's half the fun of giving up cigarettes.
And, at this point I don't even blink at the $700 or so I've spent to get my wife and I off smokes.
If worried about cost and whether or not vaping will work for you there is the lavatube which is a cheap VV device.
"WE" don't want to tell someone who is posting his experiences that his experiences aren't possible.
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