thinking about trying a vv mod

[dman87]

hi
so I'm thinking bout trying a vv mod. thinking about buying a lava tube since its under 60bux......but since I'm pretty new to this i have a few questions.
1. what does diff ohm mean?
2. what kinda cartomizer or tank should i buy so i can try vaping at different volts????

right now I'm currently using a ego battery with kanger cartomizers 1.9-2.0ohm???
also I'm using vg base juice so i need something that works well with it.

thank you

 

[elfstone]

I'm going to go ahead and re-do a whole explanation, but for bottom line is that your vape depends on volts and ohms. The higher the volts and the lower the ohms, the warmer the vape. Once you have a variable voltage device you need to worry less about the Ohms, and you should stick to a "standard resistance" of around 3 Ohm and just play with the voltage to keep things simple.

Now for the rest, if you don't mind:

Volts - measure what is called "difference of potential"; essentially it measures how much "force" there is to drive the current through a circuit - you can make up several analogies, but the most common would be with pressure: the battery is like two gas cylinders, one at high pressure, one at low pressure and the voltage is the difference of pressure. If you connect them with a tube, the gas will flow...

Amps - refer to the electrical current - how much electricity flows through the circuit in a unit of time; it's the equivalent of flow rate as it were...

Ohms - refer to resistance - how hard does the circuit / conductor / atomizer coil fight against the flow of current

Watts - measure power. That translates into energy - power is energy in a unit of time. For us, this is the key measure because it directly translates into heat and that into amount of vapor and vapor warmth.

All of the above are related, to simplify everything to our case, by the fact that voltage pushes current to flow through a resistance and that generates heat. You try to push something through, and the wire fights back - things get heated

The higher the current and the higher the resistance, the more heat. It just so happens that the current matters much more than the resistance. The mathematical expression is:

Watts = Amps x Amps x Ohms​

BUT, this is a wonderful example on how two intuitive relationships combined give a less intuitive one.

The current itself depends on how hard it is pushed and how much resistance it encounters. That is logical, too... The mathematical expression is:

Amps = Volts / Ohms​

If you combine them, then you get:

Watts = Volts x Volts / Ohms​

So for practical purposes, to get the same power you can increase the Volts or decrease the Ohms within certain limits. You get more by increasing the volts than by decreasing the resistance by the same amount...


Basically you vary your power to get a warmer or a cooler vapor. As you do that you find that for some juices, or for some times of the day even, you like a differently powered vape. Some juices taste better at a higher power, while some may get burned at that same power.

The variable voltage devices let you do that by changing the voltage, but you need to remember your power also depends on the resistance. If you lower the resistance, you will need less volts, so you have to kind of keep that in mind. Moreover, if you lower the resistance too much and you keep pushing a lot of volts, you can fry your low resistance atty.

But there is no need for you to really change the resistance of your atties if you use a variable voltage device, so most people settle on, say, 3 Ohms, and then only play with the voltage.

It's just something to keep in mind if you happen to put a differently resisted head on your PV...


The other type of devices are variable power: Darwin and the Kick. With these, you need not worry about the math, they do it for you; so regardless what resistance you put on, the Darwin / Kick will fix the voltage so you get the power you had set them on.

The only problem with that are dual coil devices. These have a low total resistance, but in fact they are made of two standard resistance coils linked in parallel. Therefore, they draw power like a low resistance attachment, but their vape is cooler, because it's pretty much as if you vaped two standard resistance attachments at the same time. Darwin/Kick doesn't know that and treats them according to their total resistance. You do get the power you set, but the warmth is no longer proportional to the power, because each coil gets only one part of that power...



And finally, this is one of the posts that best explains this in a metaphoric manner: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...w-plus-bit-electronic-theory.html#post1988870

 

[Flyer]

Elfstone gave you everything. I'll just add that my first good VV experience was a Lavatube clone. For a full VV experience, use a 2.5 -3.0 ohm carto. LR carto's will certainly work, but the full range of the Lavatube's voltage adjustablility won't be available.

 

[zerominusone]

don't mess waste your money and time on some cheap PV. Go head and get a Provari.

 

[Flyer]

My Provari is great, no doubt. But I think my time with the Lavatube was valuable and it is still in my PV line up. The LT allowed me to really learn about VV. I'm glad I didn't jump directly to the Provari. Without my time with the LT, I wouldn't have known if another really great mod wouldn't have been a better choice for me. Not trying to dissuade you from a Provari, just encouraging you to take your time and determine what is most important to you.

 

[sailorman]

Yeah, you can get a Provari... Or, you can spend 1/4th the money and get something that does 95% of the important things a Provari does. Apolloecigs.com has a 30% off coupon code "Vtube30". You can get a standard Lavatube for $50, a chrome one for $60 or a Stainless steel one for $73 that also takes the eGo cartomizers and tanks.

The Lavatube is not good for 1.5ohm dual coils. But who needs them? Just use 2.5-3ohm cartos, clearos and tanks and you'll be fine. It's got plenty of power and mine has been very reliable. It has a 1 year warranty but, if you want, you can extend it to 3 years for $10 and include accidental loss or damage for $6 more at squaretrade.com

 

[sailorman]

My Provari is great, no doubt. But I think my time with the Lavatube was valuable and it is still in my PV line up. The LT allowed me to really learn about VV. I'm glad I didn't jump directly to the Provari. Without my time with the LT, I wouldn't have known if another really great mod wouldn't have been a better choice for me. Not trying to dissuade you from a Provari, just encouraging you to take your time and determine what is most important to you.

I don't believe the OP was even considering the Provari. It wasn't even mentioned until the Provangelist showed up, like they're wont to do. I think the OP specifically mentioned the $50 price as a factor in his decision. Only a Provangelist would ignore that and tell him that anything else is a waste of money.

 

[Flyer]

That's why I questioned jumping to one without knowing if it made sense or not.

 

[Jason McRoy]

I just ordered my very first VV model- the Lavatube. Since finances are a consideration for me at the moment I am happy there are choices for a good mod within my budget.

It seems to me that the LT is comparable but without some of the extra bells and whistles. Just my 0.02.

-Jason

 

[Flyer]

LT is a very good VV PV. They are now offering even better versions than mine and I was very happy with my version 1. I highly recommend them.

 

[bramall1]

I have heard wonders about the provari

 

[Warren D. Lockaby]

don't mess waste your money and time on some cheap PV. Go head and get a Provari.

While I understand & empathize with your strong feelings about a Provari, I can't afford a Darwin either. In view of this, plus the fact that neither time nor money are of universal value to everyone, I'm considering a V-Tube myself if I can get one while the price is low. Would such a "cheap PV" hold up until I can afford a Darwin? I don't know, but I don't know if I'll hold up that long either. Anyway I'll still have my E-Power 14650 - my current "cheap PV" to fall back on, and as long as I have a couple spare batteries & a spare switch that thing's bound to outlive me.

Mind your Watts, & Happy Vaping!

 

[sailorman]

I have heard wonders about the provari

They're good PVs, even excellent. But wonders may be a bit over the top.
Wonders is when they cook your breakfast and wash your dog.
Wonders is when they do it for less than $100.

My biggest problem with them is that they seem to turn some people into obnoxious jerks with no respect for anyone else's wants, needs or budgets.

 

[Jason McRoy]

I wish we were able to double and triple like certain posts!

 

[durutti]

get a smoketec vmax as I did after 2 months. Quality is not perfect but for 80 or so $ you will get to understand the difference if VVS. And something very important for me, even though a little big is not a box or another funny shape.

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[sailorman]

While I understand & empathize with your strong feelings about a Provari, I can't afford a Darwin either. In view of this, plus the fact that neither time nor money are of universal value to everyone, I'm considering a V-Tube myself if I can get one while the price is low. Would such a "cheap PV" hold up until I can afford a Darwin? I don't know, but I don't know if I'll hold up that long either. Anyway I'll still have my E-Power 14650 - my current "cheap PV" to fall back on, and as long as I have a couple spare batteries & a spare switch that thing's bound to outlive me.

Mind your Watts, & Happy Vaping!

I'll tell ya. I love mine and if I had the spare cash, I'd be all over the Stainless one. I'd also get a 3year warranty against not only defects, but accidental damage, drowning and loss. For $16, it's cheap and will ensure it will last. In 3 years, technology may very well make the Provari obsolete. There will be VV/VW selectable PVs built as good as a Provari for under $150. Mark my words. Three years ago, a Lavatube would have cost $500.

Plus, three years from now, Darwins might be back in stock.

 

[elfstone]

He wasn't even ASKING for advice on devices.

 

[sailorman]

get a smoketec vmax as I did after 2 months. Quality is not perfect but for 80 or so $ you will get to understand the difference if VVS. And something very important for me, even though a little big is not a box or another funny shape.

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The Vmax is a good VV. It's over $100 though. I don't know where you can get them for $80. Smoketech's enforced price is $126, but some renegade dealers are selling them for $100-110.

The thing about a Vmax is that the voltage you select has nothing to do with the voltage delivered to the connection, which has nothing to do with what voltage the vape feels like. All three voltages are different. The whole voltage scheme on them is totally worthless, except as a relative reference. They really should just scrap the whole pretense of voltage and call it a "power level", like the volume knob on a stereo.

Other than that, they're fine. But you certainly aren't learning anything about variable voltage because nothing you experience on a Vmax is transferrable to any other PV.

I'm thinking I'd like the Ovale V8. For $50, it has the power of a Vmax, but it has finger grooves in it for right handed vapers and I vape with my left hand.

 

[sailorman]

He wasn't even ASKING for advice on devices.

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Yeah, but he said the magic words that never fail to conjure up the Provangelists, "I'm thinking of buying....". It's a frikken Provangelist dog whistle.

 

[dman87]

thanks for all the info elf stone. really gave me a lot of info about what everything means. I'm sort of slowly understanding it.

so from what i read i should buy some 2.5-3 ohm attys and cartos i should be able to play with different voltage settings without frying the atty or cart???? and stick with standard resistant ones and not lrs???
the main thing i want to know is just what attys and cartos to buy to really test out diff voltage settings.

and to everyone who tells me to get a provari maybe one day when i am more familiar with vv mods. for now i just want to try out a device thts only gonna cost me less than $100 with chargers and diff attys n cartos that lets me try out vv without spending so much money all at once. as i still need to figure out the basics first.