This Could Be Game-Changing News for Electronic Cigarettes

[LoveVanilla]

This Could Be Game-Changing News for Electronic Cigarettes

The implication is pretty straightforward: though nicotine remains addictive, the potential to move traditional tobacco smokers to electronic cigarettes, which are believed to have far fewer adverse chemicals in their makeup, could reduce chronic long-term side effects often associated with smoking, and might be an effective path toward turning smokers into ex-smokers.

This is a positive article (though ignoring product other than Blu/Vuse) and even includes swipe at the FDA.

Full article here.

 

[AndriaD]

Well, that looks like a Vamo to me, and I don't think BT is making anything like that -- yet. But they seem to be considering e-cigs for their market potential, rather than any other kind -- and they're right, this market is doing approx the same thing the dot-com-boom did in the 90s, and those who invest in it really ought to pay close attention to what ended the dot-com-boom -- I myself can't say what that was, I'm just a lowly fundless peon, but I do know a lot of people lost a lot of money -- and a few got rich, for a while, till someone came along with something better that superceded it, or their bright idea got bought up or edged out by one of the big boys.

Andria

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

The Motley Fool is an investment advice portal. As such, it comments on publicly trading stocks - that's why it only mentions the potential BT plays, they're the only trading companies in the vape scene. There's no benefit to them or their customers to promote Provape, for example.

Note, as well, that the Fool will comment on everything from video games to oil drilling, so they're not vapophiles at all - they just follow the money (and hate any government involvement that might restrict the pursuit of filthy lucre).

The study they're referring to, however, is indeed interesting, although it does not (and couldn't) do anything to assuage long term use fears, the one "yes, buuuut..." we won't get around.

Nice find. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Anjaffm]

good find, thank you!
Hey, and if an investment journal (which has nothing to do with vaping) sees the benefits - more power to them

 

[Jman8]

Hardly a game changer when the same article says:

Until the relationship between long-term use and health is explored, electronic cigarette sales are likely to stay on the back burner for tobacco companies.

Second, and perhaps the more daunting issue, is what happens if the Food and Drug Administration gets involved. The FDA has expressed concern about the proliferation of new companies in the vaping liquid market, and is worried about the quality of product being brought to consumers since the industry isn't currently regulated. Should the FDA get involved and label electronic cigarettes as tobacco products, it could have the potential to bring industry expansion to a crawl.

 

[AndriaD]

Hardly a game changer when the same article says:

But at least they, like any person with half a brain, understands that the FDA has the potential to completely KILL vaping, with their idiot ideas about "regulation." It's nice to see that those who AREN'T vapers can see that too.

Andria

 

[rothenbj]

Well, that looks like a Vamo to me, and I don't think BT is making anything like that -- yet. But they seem to be considering e-cigs for their market potential, rather than any other kind -- and they're right, this market is doing approx the same thing the dot-com-boom did in the 90s, and those who invest in it really ought to pay close attention to what ended the dot-com-boom -- I myself can't say what that was, I'm just a lowly fundless peon, but I do know a lot of people lost a lot of money -- and a few got rich, for a while, till someone came along with something better that superceded it, or their bright idea got bought up or edged out by one of the big boys.

Andria

"Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered", that's what happens with market bubbles. I saw it coming to the stock market and saw it coming to the housing market and as much as I'd like to buy gold, there's a question there too. I saw a 100 year chart on the housing market just before the collapse and showed it to my nephew as they were looking to buy a new house, they didn't listen. I saw enough to convince me to sell my last investment property at a 1,100% gain (I owned it for nearly 30 years) and I sold it to my Realtor who was managing it. He took the hit.

As much as I don't like the debt our government is taking on and the constant printing of money, when you look at the historical gold chart, it's hard to throw money at it-

Gold and Silver Prices - 100 Year Historical Chart | MacroTrends

The dot com market was built on incredible hype. Companies that weren't making money were going up in price on a daily basis. The husband of a coworker had invested in CMGI to the tune of $20k. In a year or so, his investment was worth over $2m. I told her that he should sell off at least half of it, but he didn't want to take the tax hit. He didn't have to worry about that, the stock fell like a rocket. I suggest to sell but he was sure it would recover. Not only did he not have to worry about capital gains, he got a tax write off. That was the story of the dot com implosion.

CMGI Can Defy Gravity Only So Long - NYTimes.com

 

[AndriaD]

"Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered", that's what happens with market bubbles. I saw it coming to the stock market and saw it coming to the housing market and as much as I'd like to buy gold, there's a question there too. I saw a 100 year chart on the housing market just before the collapse and showed it to my nephew as they were looking to buy a new house, they didn't listen. I saw enough to convince me to sell my last investment property at a 1,100% gain (I owned it for nearly 30 years) and I sold it to my Realtor who was managing it. He took the hit.

As much as I don't like the debt our government is taking on and the constant printing of money, when you look at the historical gold chart, it's hard to throw money at it-

Gold and Silver Prices - 100 Year Historical Chart | MacroTrends

The dot com market was built on incredible hype. Companies that weren't making money were going up in price on a daily basis. The husband of a coworker had invested in CMGI to the tune of $20k. In a year or so, his investment was worth over $2m. I told her that he should sell off at least half of it, but he didn't want to take the tax hit. He didn't have to worry about that, the stock fell like a rocket. I suggest to sell but he was sure it would recover. Not only did he not have to worry about capital gains, he got a tax write off. That was the story of the dot com implosion.

CMGI Can Defy Gravity Only So Long - NYTimes.com

It makes me glad we've always been too poor to own anything -- Wall St and the banks ruined the housing AND credit markets so horrendously, we were finally able to AFFORD to buy a home. Thanks, y'all! We paid $60k in 2011... and our tax assessment this year says our home is now worth $84k -- so yeah, our tax bill went up, but since we have escrow for that, it means only a small increase per month -- but they essentially just GAVE us $24k in equity. Thanks, y'all!

Andria

 

[sofarsogood]

The research the fool website mentions has been circulating for a while I believe. It won't appease the public health folks because they will say there hasn't been enough research until something truely alarming is discovered. That hasn't happened so they make up stuff. I stopped at a local vape shop this evening to get a beginner setup for a brother who still smokes. A couple months ago the shop was brand new and deserted. This eveing the place was a zoo. The kid working the counter told me business is booming, he has a LOT of customers and most of them are getting to zero cigarettes. If that trend is repeated in enough vape shops around the country and the army of reformed smokers grows fast enough it's probably our best defense. For every smoker who quits I think there will be a dozen family and friends who are quite happy about that development.

 

[DC2]

"Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered", that's what happens with market bubbles. I saw it coming to the stock market and saw it coming to the housing market and as much as I'd like to buy gold, there's a question there too. I saw a 100 year chart on the housing market just before the collapse and showed it to my nephew as they were looking to buy a new house, they didn't listen. I saw enough to convince me to sell my last investment property at a 1,100% gain (I owned it for nearly 30 years) and I sold it to my Realtor who was managing it. He took the hit.

As much as I don't like the debt our government is taking on and the constant printing of money, when you look at the historical gold chart, it's hard to throw money at it-

Gold and Silver Prices - 100 Year Historical Chart | MacroTrends

The dot com market was built on incredible hype. Companies that weren't making money were going up in price on a daily basis. The husband of a coworker had invested in CMGI to the tune of $20k. In a year or so, his investment was worth over $2m. I told her that he should sell off at least half of it, but he didn't want to take the tax hit. He didn't have to worry about that, the stock fell like a rocket. I suggest to sell but he was sure it would recover. Not only did he not have to worry about capital gains, he got a tax write off. That was the story of the dot com implosion.

CMGI Can Defy Gravity Only So Long - NYTimes.com

It's gotten to the point that I can't figure out what in the heck to invest in anymore.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

It's gotten to the point that I can't figure out what in the heck to invest in anymore.

Short everything.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

For every smoker who quits I think there will be a dozen family and friends who are quite happy about that development.

This! Family and friends who would vouch for the positive effects of vaping are legion. We, of course, are deluded and discountable, but rational never-smokers (and our doctors, should they be mobilized) would have a significant voice. Let's see if the resultant ANTZ shift from "vapers are wrong" to "all of you are wrong" can bear up to the weight of full public scrutiny.

 

[rothenbj]

It makes me glad we've always been too poor to own anything -- Wall St and the banks ruined the housing AND credit markets so horrendously, we were finally able to AFFORD to buy a home. Thanks, y'all! We paid $60k in 2011... and our tax assessment this year says our home is now worth $84k -- so yeah, our tax bill went up, but since we have escrow for that, it means only a small increase per month -- but they essentially just GAVE us $24k in equity. Thanks, y'all!

Andria

Wall Street and the banks deserve a lot of credit (bad word, it's the main reason the country is in the state it's in today) for the home market problem, but our citizenry certainly aided and abetted. Believing that everything will stay the same or get better so spend to the hilt has not been a good approach. So many people believed that both parents would continue to have jobs and spent based on that assumption. As I mentioned earlier, misuse of credit, particularly credit card debt, has been making slaves of our population for decades. Now even the government has run up their debt and is printing money to keep afloat. It's just not very wise.

 

[AndriaD]

Wall Street and the banks deserve a lot of credit (bad word, it's the main reason the country is in the state it's in today) for the home market problem, but our citizenry certainly aided and abetted. Believing that everything will stay the same or get better so spend to the hilt has not been a good approach. So many people believed that both parents would continue to have jobs and spent based on that assumption. As I mentioned earlier, misuse of credit, particularly credit card debt, has been making slaves of our population for decades. Now even the government has run up their debt and is printing money to keep afloat. It's just not very wise.

I agree. We still struggle with our credit, but it's a far better picture now than it was 3 yrs ago. Being able to go from a $650/mo rent pmt to a $450/mo mortgage pmt is amazingly helpful!

Andria

 

[rothenbj]

I hear you DC. I have to consider now that I quit smoking, I may actually have a couple decades in front of me. I try to counterbalance that with riding motorcycles and avoiding doctor's visits. That being said, I do keep an eye on my finances and continue to look for opportunities. I got nervous about the stock market as it appeared to be moving up irrationally when looking at the economy. I sold off a lot of stock that had run up very strongly for the last few years.

Just recently, I signed up with a group that made sense to me. They're looking for value in stocks that are fundamentally solid but have not moved with the market. They're also limiting their picks to 15 stocks. Not sure how it will work out long term and am down a few thousand as one of their picks took a pretty good hit soon after they recommended it, but they're looking at outperforming the overall market.

I myself developed a system that enabled me to retire early and am using their picks and my system to hopefully out perform not only the market, but their picks themselves.

Papa, I hear you on shorting the market, but I just don't believe in that principle, but that's me. Anyway, I think I hijacked this thread enough and it's getting late.