Thoughts on the future of ecigs in Canada?

[Quoiyaien]

With this whole FDA thing coming up, I started thinking how this may affect ecigs and vaping in canada...

I talked to my DIY supplier, and was basically told that if ecigs were outright banned in the US, then they would no longer be able to supply nicotine, as they get theirs from the US...

I was just wondering what you guys think will happen to vaping if the worst of all possible scenarios sees the light, and ecigs are outright banned in the US?

I know they are already banned in Canada, but that doesnt seem to have stopped the majority of us from vaping. I assume we will see a return of Chinese juice, or health canada will follow suit, and actually start enforcing the already in place bans...

Im getting a bit worried about the future of vaping as a whole, and want to start making alternate arrangements should things go south... (rebuildable atomizers with tons of wick and wire, and enough DIY supplies for a few years of vaping... flavours will still be available, but nicotine will get increasingly hard to get..

So? What do you think?

Cheers!

 

[larktdl]

If you are concerned about it you should stock up ,,, now

I am still trying to figure out how any government can stop us from getting our vaping supplies including nic.

IMO, the only option they have is to impose a world wide ban and how the heck will they do that?

Impossible.

 

[Krusin_]

Tell your friends the benefits and convert every smoker you know...they can't ban this when the smoker population stands up and says no.
Don't expect the world will bend to your whims without a fight.

 

[zapped]

If you are concerned about it you should stock up ,,, now

I am still trying to figure out how any government can stop us from getting our vaping supplies including nic.

IMO, the only option they have is to impose a world wide ban and how the heck will they do that?

Impossible.

I live in Virginia and we have fields FULL of tobacco plants, not sure how it is in Canada but Im pretty sure I can figure out how to extract nicotine myself if necessary.

 

[chagrin]

Firstly e-cigarettes aren't banned completely in Canada, the devices and e-liquid are perfectly legal, even owning and using e-liquids containing nicotine. The only thing prohibited is the sale, import or advertising of e-cigarettes or liquid containing nicotine or claiming to be a smoking cessation/health product.

I highly doubt e-cigarettes will get banned in the US, a tobacco company like Lorillard probably wouldn't pay over 100 million for an e-cigarette company (Blu) without having insider knowledge of how the FDA is at least leaning on the manner. Personally I think the Canadian government is drooling over the cash cow that e-cigarettes could become and they're waiting on the FDA to approve them, before taking their sweet time to approve them with taxation.

However, even in a worst case scenario; if the FDA bans e-cigarettes and Canada follow suits, as someone else said they'll still be available in a ton of other countries. I'm personally not that concerned which way it goes, I'm leaning towards them being approved with taxation, but either way I'm betting on prices going up, it's really just a matter of when and by how much in my opinion.

 

[chagrin]

I live in Virginia and we have fields FULL of tobacco plants, not sure how it is in Canada but Im pretty sure I can figure out how to extract nicotine myself if necessary.

I don't think it's anything like Virginia but southern Ontario isn't bad - I could find a few hundred acres easily enough and it can't be *that* hard. From what I understand the "crude" maceration process is basically just soaking tobacco leaves in PG/VG, but I could be wrong about that. Personally I'm FAR too lazy for that though.

Tobacco fields always bring this to mind .. and a random question; are any Ontario residents familiar with this or is it a weird country thing ?

 

[Quoiyaien]

My thoughts are taxation as well, but you never know..
At this point, worst case scenario is losing access to Alice in Vapeland Cherry Blossom ... Ive finally found my All day vape. I just really hope the small juice companies don't disappear... then again, Blu is filled with Johnson Creek juice (albeit filled in China), so maybe that says something...

Perhaps the glory days of cheap eliquid will go the way of the dodo, but I honestly dont mind paying more to still have access to such amazing american juice... I just hope they don't make some stupid comparison and price a 30ml bottle like a carton...

Chagrin, your post brought great relief to my morning, thank you.


Cheers!

 

[recidivus]

Honestly, it's nothing to worry about. Until they ban the tobacco plant and somehow manage to develop a way to kill tobacco production worldwide, there will be people extracting nicotine. A basic PV isn't a terribly complicated device to build and all parts can be obtained from your local electronics hobby shop. Heck, a mechanical is even easier to slap together.

 

[martinc]

I have already ditched all atties that were juice guzzlers (mediocre or std vapor production but with high ml consumption i.e. genesis)

Got good stuff now with little juice usage ( I would say maybe 2-3ml/day tops) So its a start in preparation of HCpocalypse

 

[Guncho]

I think it's only a matter of time before big tobacco sees that e cigarettes are their only possible chance of survival and starts selling them and nic juice filled packs of cartomizers.

 

[Dashe]

My hubby and I were talking about this very subject this morning. Today is only my second day of full time vaping, and this is it for me. I have no need to go back to analogs. Hubby started last night, he too is convinced. Because it's like we can quit smoking, without having to "quit smoking", so to speak. He wants to stock up just in case. No problem.

 

[Projectguy]

I live in Virginia and we have fields FULL of tobacco plants, not sure how it is in Canada but Im pretty sure I can figure out how to extract nicotine myself if necessary.

Southern Ontario produces about 60 million pounds of high grade tobacco pa. The Ontario Tobacco market is essentially controlled by Grand River Enterprises ("GRE") which is 100% native owned. Last April GRE entered into a 3 year agreement to sell 10 million pounds pa to the Chinese.

That being said there is no way nic production could be stopped in Canada. We'll just fill in the gaps.

 

[Projectguy]

I highly doubt e-cigarettes will get banned in the US, a tobacco company like Lorillard probably wouldn't pay over 100 million for an e-cigarette company (Blu) without having insider knowledge of how the FDA is at least leaning on the manner. Personally I think the Canadian government is drooling over the cash cow that e-cigarettes could becoming and they're waiting on the FDA to approve them, before taking their sweet time to approve them with taxation.

The number is $135 million and they have turned on the funding and marketing taps. Last quarter blu cigs accounted for $14 million in revenue for Lorillard and was the his growth segment in the company. Wall Street analysts are saying that with in 10 years e-cigs will replace analogues in terms of market share.

Lorillard is not the only one BT is quietly investing lots of money into R&D. They're probably watching the ECF closer than any government.

 

[Projectguy]

My thoughts are taxation as well, but you never know..

Perhaps the glory days of cheap eliquid will go the way of the dodo, but I honestly dont mind paying more to still have access to such amazing american juice... I just hope they don't make some stupid comparison and price a 30ml bottle like a carton...

You're right when government figures it out they will with BT be complicit in the grab and put in some very stringent controls.

In short Government will "give" the e-c-g market to BT and BT will happily collect taxes for it. Just like they do now.

 

[Projectguy]

My hubby and I were talking about this very subject this morning. Today is only my second day of full time vaping, and this is it for me. I have no need to go back to analogs. Hubby started last night, he too is convinced. Because it's like we can quit smoking, without having to "quit smoking", so to speak. He wants to stock up just in case. No problem.

Congratz to both of you and welcome to the wonderful world of vaping.

 

[larktdl]

Of course we could always vape without nic ... (not)

 

[larktdl]

Interesting read for any who are interested ...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nthetic-nicotine-there-really-such-thing.html

 

[staypuffed]

when regulation and taxation happens what will be the future of vape mail?

 

[iheartpoco]

Tell your friends the benefits and convert every smoker you know...

The more of us there are, the harder it will be to ban it. My tally: I converted one (extreeemely skeptical) smoker, and pretty sure another one is going to be converted once she samples more of our gear/juice. I also converted my husband from a casual cigar dude to a casual vaper, once I gave him my Redds when I upgraded to the twist/stardust. AND an old friend who quit smoking 5 years ago decided to jump into the vaping world with zero-nic juice after she came to visit for the weekend!

People are just amazed once they try vaping. I don't think the gov't will be able to stop it: I honestly think vaping is going to grow exponentially in the next 5-10 years, as more people clue into it and give it a try.

My dad quit smoking about 8 years ago, and has always said he reserves the right to start again whenever he wants. I won't get to see him until July, but I suspect he will be very interested in vaping, and I won't be surprised if he decides to jump back into the wonderful (safer) world of nicotine again.

 

[Krusin_]

Exactly right.
The general public needs testimonials from ex-smokers/vapers, not news stories and websites. Vape on the street and speak with passion when people ask you about it...be a good spokesperson as this industry, in its infancy, needs it.