To Hail or Nip in the Bud?

[JrdUK]

Good article by Louis van Rensburg

by Louis van Rensburg
I bought an electronic cigarette 10 days ago. For those who do not know, this gadget provides nicotine but eliminates the inhalation of tar and, depending who you believe, around 1 500 harmful substances associated with cigarette smoking. It vaporises a mixture of water and nicotine and does not produce any smoke, thereby eliminating the negative effects of secondary smoke inhalation.

http://www.news24.com/Content/MyNew...d2/16-09-2009-07-57/To_hail_or_nip_in_the_bud

 

[WILDJC]

Good article by Louis van Rensburg



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Good find. It seems these zealots continue to ignore the fact that e-juice can contain 0 mg of nicotine if one so desires.

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm sorry, but this tired old argument is growing weary. You can chew a matchstick if you want, but its essential purpose is to start a fire. Same with e-cigs. I dare say an overwhelming majority of e-smokers have no interest in zero nic. This whole "we can use zero nic" argument is irrelevant. Ditto silly comments about bongs, etc., made elsewhere. The e-cig is a nicotine delivery device and must be made legal and stand on its own. There is no other route to acceptance.

 

[Pav]

The e-cig is a nicotine delivery device and must be made legal and stand on its own. There is no other route to acceptance.

I'm wondering why you think that TropBob? It's simply not true. It does not exclusively have to be used with nicotene, therefore it is more than just a nicotene delivery system. I plan to drop the levels of nicotene I'm at now and eventually just get to vaping for the tactile and flavor sensations.

It seems to me that if PVs are always linked to nicotene, they will always carry negative connotations in some peoples minds. (many people think nicotene causes cancer.)

Some people I know have had negative reactions to my PV because I'm using nico juice, but when I tell them that's not necessary they lighten their stance considerably. Isn't that a better way to get PVs accepted into the mainstream?

 

[jj2]

Well, no offense, but I for one, generally use no nicotine.
Maybe because I'm hoarding my liquid with nicotine for special times.

Digg article at:

To hail or nip in the bud?

 

[nojoyet]

Good article by Louis van Rensburg



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Nice one to digg and comment; link to Digg and article below

http://digg.com/health/To_hail_or_nip_in_the_bud

 

[SLDS181]

I'm sorry, but this tired old argument is growing weary.

So is yours.

Lots of people have gone 0 nic. I've already drastically cut down my nicotine, and switch between 0mg, 6mg, and 12mg.

 

[rothenbj]

I'm wondering why you think that TropBob? It's simply not true. It does not exclusively have to be used with nicotene, therefore it is more than just a nicotene delivery system. I plan to drop the levels of nicotene I'm at now and eventually just get to vaping for the tactile and flavor sensations.

It seems to me that if PVs are always linked to nicotene, they will always carry negative connotations in some peoples minds. (many people think nicotene causes cancer.)

Some people I know have had negative reactions to my PV because I'm using nico juice, but when I tell them that's not necessary they lighten their stance considerably. Isn't that a better way to get PVs accepted into the mainstream?

It's funny that you mentioned that many people think nic causes cancer. I was in a card game last evening and the subject of my PV came up among the smokers at the table. They were also of the opinion that "nicotine causes cancer". The reason this has become so prevalent a thought is because nicotine and tobacco have become synonymous words in many peoples minds. That's what led to a 5 minute discussion on the carcinogens in tobacco and the additives in cigarettes as opposed to what was being but into "the e juice" that the PV can be loaded with.

Now back to the reason for your post, I agree. The PV IS NOT a drug delivery device unless you supply it with a drug- nicotine, coffee, sugar, etc. All tharmful drugs that should be controlled by our government, especially sugar because I've seen the results of over-drugged sugar addicts and it isn't a pretty sight.

 

[aditas]

Bob the device is ALREADY LEGAL. You do not need permission from me, your peers, your family or your government to use it.
Do you understand how a non-socialized free republic works?

 

[deewal]

So is yours.

Lots of people have gone 0 nic. I've already drastically cut down my nicotine, and switch between 0mg, 6mg, and 12mg.

Good for you. I have no intention to cut down on my Nic. I like it. If somebody had told me there was no Nicotine in the E-cig that I originally bought (because all the blurb told me it was a safer way to get my Nic as there was no Tobacco in it ) I simply would'nt have bought it.
I smoked 40 Cigarettes a day for over 40 years and i'm going to buy something that replaces it with PG and VG ? Do you think i'm Stupid ?
An Electronic Cigarette is a safer Alternative to Smoking Tobacco and it is Tobacco Smokers who are buying them. If there is no Nicotine in it then why should i buy it ? I can get NRT's from my Doctor for nothing.
No Nic ? No E-Cig.

 

[SLDS181]

Good for you. I have no intention to cut down on my Nic. I like it. If somebody had told me there was no Nicotine in the E-cig that I originally bought (because all the blurb told me it was a safer way to get my Nic as there was no Tobacco in it ) I simply would'nt have bought it.
I smoked 40 Cigarettes a day for over 40 years and i'm going to buy something that replaces it with PG and VG ? Do you think i'm Stupid ?
An Electronic Cigarette is a safer Alternative to Smoking Tobacco and it is Tobacco Smokers who are buying them. If there is no Nicotine in it then why should i buy it ? I can get NRT's from my Doctor for nothing.
No Nic ? No E-Cig.

My cutting down on nicotine has nothing to do with whether or not there is nicotine there...

I'm just pointing out that TB's post is nothing but wrong.

So... wheres the hostility coming from deewal?

 

[Straykat]

Regardless of nicotine content. You could be smoking pure sunshine and people will still try to ban the device and whatever juice you're producing vapor with, simply because it looks like smoking.

 

[JrdUK]

No Nic ? No E-Cig.

Nobody is saying there should be no nicotine, I like my nicotine... but not everyone thinks the same as you and me.

Some people see it as a way to cut back and then go to zero, alot of people just vape 0mg because they wanted to break their nicotine addiction but enjoy the act of smoking/vaping.

 

[souporvapor]

Since it's been addressed in this thread - and incompletely discussed,
Nicotine has been/is being studied in a variety of medical research.

It creates Dopamine in the system and has shown to be effective in addressing depression, anxiety, alzheimers and various 'mental' conditions.

It is the 'smoke', tar, and additives in tobacco cigs that causes cancer - according to all the research I have done.

Should you choose to explore the link in my signature - you'll find a page filled with links to info on e-cigs, the contents of a tobacco cigarette, medical research on the use of nicotine and more - you will discover information you can read online and a page you can print to share those links with others.

For me - I vape no-nic and lo-nic to fill the tactile cravings.... 24-36 when I want the nicotine. I am just as satisfied about 60% of the time with the lo/no nic liquid and the higher cuts the desire for an .... log.

Blsssssngs in all Your choices,
Kathy


30 years of smoking....
Vaporized by my ScrewDriver!

 

[deewal]

My cutting down on nicotine has nothing to do with whether or not there is nicotine there...

I'm just pointing out that TB's post is nothing but wrong.

So... wheres the hostility coming from deewal?

You mean In Your Opinion TB's post is nothing but wrong.
His post In My Opinion is nothing but right.

The person who invented this Device did not intend it to be used for anything other than a Nicotine Delivery Device.
If it did'nt deliver Nicotine we would'nt even be having this conversation.
Nobody would have bought it.
There would be no ECF.

 

[AngusATAT]

And yet crack pipes, made for the sole use of smoking crack, an illegal drug, can be purchased legally at head shops and your corner gas station.

Go figure.

 

[Porphy]

There is no other route to acceptance.

Highly doubtful.

 

[SLDS181]

You mean In Your Opinion TB's post is nothing but wrong.

No, I mean its wrong. Its a vaporizer, and the intentions stated by various companies has been its use as a cessation device or a healthier way to act out a habit.

The act of smoking, and its replication, is my issue, its why I was never able to quit. The fact that it contains nicotine isn't a big deal to me, its simply making the transition easier. Nicotine has a short lifespan in your blood, even with repeated dosing, it mostly gone from your system after about 8 hours. Completely within 72 hours.

Whats left is psychological addiction and not physical addiction.

TB's arguments are not arguments, and are not logical. I stand by this point. If you want to be cranky for no reason, thats fine. Don't be surprised, however, when I respond to inaccurate or incorrect posts.

 

[aditas]

The person who invented this Device did not intend it to be used for anything other than a Nicotine Delivery Device.
If it did'nt deliver Nicotine we would'nt even be having this conversation.
Nobody would have bought it.
There would be no ECF.

And what does that have to do with the need for a law allowing us to consume it?

 

[sherid]

You mean In Your Opinion TB's post is nothing but wrong.
His post In My Opinion is nothing but right.

The person who invented this Device did not intend it to be used for anything other than a Nicotine Delivery Device.
If it did'nt deliver Nicotine we would'nt even be having this conversation.
Nobody would have bought it.
There would be no ECF.

I am in full agreement with you. The e cig must be legal as a nicotine delivery system in order to be successful. You can then choose whether or not to use nicotine, but without the nic, the concept of e cigs is a complete DUD.