To heck with 48mg, hows 60mg sound??! Strong enough for ya?

[Roldy]

Thats right folks 60mg unflavoured! Im not sure if its been posted elsewhere in ECF, but I thought it deserved sharing here. Its @ eastmall in either pg or vg base, and advertized as only for mixing. I took a double take just to make sure I was reading it right! 30ml/$29.50USD


30ml (1x30ml) - 36/60mg No Flavor PG/VG Mixing e-Liquid - East Mall e-Liquids - Eastmall International Co.,Ltd

 

[slaucy]

If vaped straight would you get high? lol

 

[HaploVoss]

If vaped straight would you get high? lol

Probably for a little while until you got really low... when they find you face down in the snow.

 

[BlondieLocs]

I assume you'll be cutting this, and in this case it is actually not much more expensive to go to one of your Canadian vendors.

For comparison's sake, I did the math against the juice of one of our resident suppliers here (who will remain unnamed, but you can figure it out. note: I did not do the math for all Canadian suppliers - just picked one at random who is known here in the forums to be reliable).

Eastmall - per bottle 30ml of 60mg @ $29.50 + $15 s/h flat rate (USD)
Canadian supplier - per bottle 30ml of 36mg @ $23 + $12 (aprx.) s/h flat rate (CDN)

To make the math easy, I'm going to cut Eastmall's 60mg to 36mg. Adding 20ml of VG/PG/flavour to the 30ml of 60mg e-juice will yield 50ml of 36mg e-juice.

Again, to make the math easy (and supposing both suppliers offer flat rate shipping), I'm going to order the same amount of e-juice from each supplier to equal the same amount of yield:

3 bottles of Eastmall's 60mg = 150ml of 36mg juice
5 bottles of Canadian supplier's 36mg = 150ml of 36mg juice

Eastmall order = (3x$29.50+15) $103.50USD
Canadian order = (5x$23+12) $127.00CDN

At the current exchange rate $103.50USD = $111.34


I think for my peace of mind I'd spend the extra $15 to make sure my order is local and has no issues with customs.


ETA: IF you were going to place an order of that size from the Canadian vendor, the shipping would be FREE, making this option pretty much equal to ordering from China.

 

[Nuck]

Good call.

 

[BlondieLocs]

Good call.

I thought so. Better to support our local vendors anyway.

I see a lot of that kind of stuff floating around. Some people just go straight for the higher nic contents without doing cost comparisons. Then again, I do cost comparisons of everything right down to the ml. Sometimes it's actually cheaper to buy smaller bottles than larger bottles. Go figure.

 

[markule]

I just got in some of the Eastmall 60mg/mL. 36 still wasn't cutting my cig cravings. This, mixed about 50/50 with regular 36 mg/mL liquid (making it around 48 mg/mL) is working much better. No shakes, no buzz, no vomiting. Frankly, I think people way over hype the danger here.

 

[props76]

I just got in some of the Eastmall 60mg/mL. 36 still wasn't cutting my cig cravings. This, mixed about 50/50 with regular 36 mg/mL liquid (making it around 48 mg/mL) is working much better. No shakes, no buzz, no vomiting. Frankly, I think people way over hype the danger here.

I'd just be careful. On another thread there was a chemist who was advising everyone to wear gloves when handling any e-liquid. I don't know about you but I'm not a chemist so I can't say I know better.

We don't know what a lethal does of e-liquid is. Maybe you can vape the 60, but if you get a big mouthful of the juice you are in trouble? Maybe if you use a more powerful PV it becomes a problem? Who knows and who wants to find out the hard way.

I don't support something being regulated for "your own good" but just remember you are playing with a toxic substance.

 

[smokum]

mg/ml is quite a bit, and I highly doubt you'd ever get that much in your mouth aside for drinking the stuff out of the bottle.

Gloves are always a good precaution thing for those who don't want to gamble. But personally I've found with commercial juices and my DIY'ing with 36mg without them that I haven't had ANY issues due to absorption.

VapeOn,
Greg

 

[markule]

I'd just be careful. On another thread there was a chemist who was advising everyone to wear gloves when handling any e-liquid. I don't know about you but I'm not a chemist so I can't say I know better.

We don't know what a lethal does of e-liquid is. Maybe you can vape the 60, but if you get a big mouthful of the juice you are in trouble? Maybe if you use a more powerful PV it becomes a problem? Who knows and who wants to find out the hard way.

I don't support something being regulated for "your own good" but just remember you are playing with a toxic substance.

I am a chemist as well. As for lethality:
Safety (MSDS) data for nicotine
Lists the lethal oral dose for rats (will kill 50% of the rats) as 50 mg/kg. Lethal dose on the skin of rabbits was the same. So, spill or suck in, that's a fair number to work with. Now, I'm a hefty guy, at 100 kilograms. So, 100 kilograms times 50 milligrams/kilogram gets a ld50 of 5000 milligrams, or 5 grams, oral or skin. That liquid is 60 mg/mL, so 5000 mg divided by 60 mg/mL gets us 83.3 mL. I would have to drink my whole bottle, and another, and almost all of another. Or oil myself up and let it soak (not a pretty picture). For a rule of thumb, if the concentration were 50 mg/mL, 5000/50=100mL. So, figure a mL per Kg for high concentration stuff. Half the concentration would take twice as much, so 5000/25=200mL. I'll get sick WAY before that. By the way, the lowest LD50 is intravenous (injected) on mice at .8 mg/kg. Same calculation says lethal injected dose would be 80 mg for me, or 1.3 mL at 60 mg/mL. If you've ever dealt with injections, that's not a tiny amount. We've all dealt with the small amounts in carts and how much we vape a day. 1.3 mL is about half what some of us vape all day. So, even if that number were oral or skin, 1.3 mL is more than you'd expect to suck out of a cart or spill while filling......I better stop now....

 

[props76]

I am a chemist as well. As for lethality:
Safety (MSDS) data for nicotine
Lists the lethal oral dose for rats (will kill 50% of the rats) as 50 mg/kg.

So what you are saying is we are not rats so we are safe

Now the serious question, isn't ingesting something orally going to allow more of it to get into you than just on the skin? I don't remember ever getting drunk from spilling a beer on myself

Thanks for your expertise, I feel a lot better about handling the stuff now.

 

[markule]

So what you are saying is we are not rats so we are safe

Now the serious question, isn't ingesting something orally going to allow more of it to get into you than just on the skin? I don't remember ever getting drunk from spilling a beer on myself

Thanks for your expertise, I feel a lot better about handling the stuff now.

We're much bigger than rats, so it takes more to kill us, yes.

Nicotine is unusual in that it WILL absorb through the skin effectively. Ethanol doesn't.

 

[Nuck]

We're much bigger than rats, so it takes more to kill us, yes.

Nicotine is unusual in that it WILL absorb through the skin effectively. Ethanol doesn't.

I wonder if nicotine in PG/VG will even absorb and if so if it's at a drastically reduced rate. I've never gotten the slightest effect from eliquid on my hands and as a dripper who DIY's juice its on there all the time.

 

[lordmage]

I wonder if nicotine in PG/VG will even absorb and if so if it's at a drastically reduced rate. I've never gotten the slightest effect from eliquid on my hands and as a dripper who DIY's juice its on there all the time.

Nuck you raise an interesting point PG/VG is used as a skin barrier to protect and bring in moisture so it may absorb but take a long time to do maybe are friendly chemist could do a simple test on a not to friendly specimen. hate to kill the friendly ones something else to consider in these toxicity studies. they use the pureist and strongist kind that most evey day person will never touch. unless they have access or the money.

 

[pavon3o5]

problem Im having with 60 mg unflavored is I am allergic to PG so I made an all VG 12 mg liquid

I am using a 510
I tried mixing with 40% flavor and the mix was too liquidy ugh im FRUSTRATED!!!
I have been looking all over the place to mix just straight VG 60 mg to around 12mg
(tried a mix of VG/PG 50/50 and broke out again so I know im allergic to PG)
I would just buy the premixed but I spent almost $100 on diy stuff so I gotta figure this out!

 

[cyberwolfrob]

Holy crap that is nuckin futs

 

[Snarkyone]

Personally I think trying to go higher and higher in your nicotine content is just a matter of one upmanship and not the smartest thing in the world to do. No, it probably won't kill you but I have found that after spending a little too much time vaping on some high nic juice that I would get a little sick in the stomach and experience a slight nicotine overdose, nothing major because I stopped when I first felt it coming on. I smoked heavily for 32 years so it's not like I was some kid freshly new to smoking and easily sickened with a little nicotine. No cigarette on the market contains that much nicotine in a single cigarette why would you need to go that high with these? I recommend that one just spend a few more minutes vaping.

 

[pavon3o5]

Personally I think trying to go higher and higher in your nicotine content is just a matter of one upmanship and not the smartest thing in the world to do. No, it probably won't kill you but I have found that after spending a little too much time vaping on some high nic juice that I would get a little sick in the stomach and experience a slight nicotine overdose, nothing major because I stopped when I first felt it coming on. I smoked heavily for 32 years so it's not like I was some kid freshly new to smoking and easily sickened with a little nicotine. No cigarette on the market contains that much nicotine in a single cigarette why would you need to go that high with these? I recommend that one just spend a few more minutes vaping.

I wasnt trying to up my nic content im trying to lower it to 12 the 60 mg came with the DIY kit I bought

 

[markule]

To get 12 mg/mL from 60, dilute with 4 times as much VG (I got mine at the walmart pharmacy counter). That actually makes 15 mg/mL, but by the time you add some extra flavor you should be pretty close.

If the one-upmanship comment was for me, I started out with 11 mg/mL liquid, vaped all day, two units in rotation when one got too warm, switch. Got some 36 mg/mL liquid, passthroughs, usb battery, vaped constantly and would still put it down to go have a smoke. Made a high volt mod, which was better, but I was still smoking. Dip, drip, still smoking. The only reason i've cut analogs out is taking the nic up, that's the only change, and I'm even back to regular batteries and refilled carts. Never had any sickness, dizziness, buzz, heart palpatations, or other negative side effects. Then again, my years as a chemist may have altered my reaction to chemicals, who knows? I'm just reporting what finally worked for me.